### Author Topic: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broom.  (Read 12779 times)

#### Solitary

##### Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broom.
« on: June 11, 2013, 02:02:30 AM »
« Last Edit: July 11, 2013, 03:11:49 AM by Solitary »
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

#### josephpalazzo

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2013, 05:43:11 AM »
Quote from: "Solitary"
If you have a clock and watch a moving clock, that clock will "appear" to you to run slower. This is called time dilation. However, an observer like Which Sabrina flying on her broom with the clock will not notice anything different about her clock, but she will see yours moving more slowly.

The same is true for measured distance between events. A meter long broom like Which Sabrina has is, by definition, a meter long as measured in a referance frame at rest with respect to the broom. If that meter broom is moving across your line-of-sight, you will "observe" it, as well as Witch Sabrina, shrink in the direction of their motion.

This is called Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction. Which Sabrina riding on the broom will not notice anthing different about her broom or herself, but will "observe" one at rest in your frame of reference shrink in the direction of its motion. These are all "aparent" dilations, not actual, as so many writers claim.  :P  Bill

#### AllPurposeAtheist

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2013, 08:00:52 AM »
Calling Sabrina fat will render you into a newt.. No further action required on your part.
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#### WitchSabrina

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2013, 09:14:38 AM »
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
Quote from: "Solitary"
If you have a clock and watch a moving clock, that clock will "appear" to you to run slower. This is called time dilation. However, an observer like Which Sabrina flying on her broom with the clock will not notice anything different about her clock, but she will see yours moving more slowly.

The same is true for measured distance between events. A meter long broom like Which Sabrina has is, by definition, a meter long as measured in a referance frame at rest with respect to the broom. If that meter broom is moving across your line-of-sight, you will "observe" it, as well as Witch Sabrina, shrink in the direction of their motion.

This is called Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction. Which Sabrina riding on the broom will not notice anthing different about her broom or herself, but will "observe" one at rest in your frame of reference shrink in the direction of its motion. These are all "aparent" dilations, not actual, as so many writers claim.  :P  Bill

HEY!  If you have Other *facts* to share - you can do so without making this thread ugly.
Thanks Solitary.  Not a single clue what you're talking about - but me on a broom? You bet! Me even thinner? YAY me.
lol
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#### Jason78

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2013, 09:16:31 AM »
She turned me into a newt!
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#### Thumpalumpacus

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2013, 09:48:33 AM »
Which Sabrina is this "Which Sabrina" you're talking about?
<insert witty aphorism here>

#### AllPurposeAtheist

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2013, 09:56:18 AM »
Which which would a which which be if a which which could chuck wood?
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#### josephpalazzo

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2013, 09:59:52 AM »
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
Quote from: "Solitary"
If you have a clock and watch a moving clock, that clock will "appear" to you to run slower. This is called time dilation. However, an observer like Which Sabrina flying on her broom with the clock will not notice anything different about her clock, but she will see yours moving more slowly.

The same is true for measured distance between events. A meter long broom like Which Sabrina has is, by definition, a meter long as measured in a referance frame at rest with respect to the broom. If that meter broom is moving across your line-of-sight, you will "observe" it, as well as Witch Sabrina, shrink in the direction of their motion.

This is called Fitzgerald-Lorentz contraction. Which Sabrina riding on the broom will not notice anthing different about her broom or herself, but will "observe" one at rest in your frame of reference shrink in the direction of its motion. These are all "aparent" dilations, not actual, as so many writers claim.  :P  Bill

HEY!  If you have Other *facts* to share - you can do so without making this thread ugly.
Thanks Solitary.  Not a single clue what you're talking about - but me on a broom? You bet! Me even thinner? YAY me.
lol

I'm making it ugly when someone with superficial understanding is posting as if he were a specialist in that field, which he clearly is not.

As I said in another post to plu, there are too many ignoramuses posting on the internet. So we have a Republican party dedicated to put creationism in the science class, and a Republican senator sitting on the science committee, who knows nothing about science, doesn't even believe in evolution or global warming, yet has the power to decide who is going to get a grant in science. Enough of this ignorance, and pardon me if I want to bring some light in this sad, pathetic world.

And the irony is atheists ranting about theists, accusing them of being willfully ignorant. Perhaps those atheists should look in the mirror before making that accusation.

#### AllPurposeAtheist

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2013, 10:01:41 AM »
The moral high ground was dug up and made into a walmart apparently today.
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#### Solitary

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2013, 10:11:59 AM »
« Last Edit: July 11, 2013, 03:13:37 AM by Solitary »
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

#### AllPurposeAtheist

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2013, 10:14:06 AM »
I thought your post was ok even if I just barely skimmed it and have forgotten all of it already. :)
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#### Thumpalumpacus

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2013, 10:27:03 AM »
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"

Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
I'm making it ugly when someone with superficial understanding is posting as if he were a specialist in that field, which he clearly is not.

As I said in another post to plu, there are too many ignoramuses posting on the internet. So we have a Republican party dedicated to put creationism in the science class, and a Republican senator sitting on the science committee, who knows nothing about science, doesn't even believe in evolution or global warming, yet has the power to decide who is going to get a grant in science. Enough of this ignorance, and pardon me if I want to bring some light in this sad, pathetic world.

And the irony is atheists ranting about theists, accusing them of being willfully ignorant. Perhaps those atheists should look in the mirror before making that accusation.

You may or may not know a bit about physics, I'm not sure -- but  you clearly don't know shit about people.  If you were concerned with helping clear up their misconceptions, you wouldn't use invective which is certain to rile the students you're trying to educate.  Anyone with half-a-brain knows that insulting one's audience only works in stand-up comedy.

As a result, your posts strike me as attempts to assuage your own insecurities by treating others contemptuously.  Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe you're a decent person who knows how to communicate respectfully.  But I've yet to see any evidence of that, myself.
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#### stromboli

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2013, 10:37:21 AM »
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"

Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
I'm making it ugly when someone with superficial understanding is posting as if he were a specialist in that field, which he clearly is not.

As I said in another post to plu, there are too many ignoramuses posting on the internet. So we have a Republican party dedicated to put creationism in the science class, and a Republican senator sitting on the science committee, who knows nothing about science, doesn't even believe in evolution or global warming, yet has the power to decide who is going to get a grant in science. Enough of this ignorance, and pardon me if I want to bring some light in this sad, pathetic world.

And the irony is atheists ranting about theists, accusing them of being willfully ignorant. Perhaps those atheists should look in the mirror before making that accusation.

You may or may not know a bit about physics, I'm not sure -- but  you clearly don't know shit about people.  If you were concerned with helping clear up their misconceptions, you wouldn't use invective which is certain to rile the students you're trying to educate.  Anyone with half-a-brain knows that insulting one's audience only works in stand-up comedy.

As a result, your posts strike me as attempts to assuage your own insecurities by treating others contemptuously.  Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe you're a decent person who knows how to communicate respectfully.  But I've yet to see any evidence of that, myself.

^this. What you are doing is tantamount to painting yourself into a corner.

#### josephpalazzo

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2013, 10:52:25 AM »
Quote from: "Solitary"
:oops: He! He! typo, at least I got it right half the time. As to those who think I'm ignorant just because someone thinks so, doesn't make it so. I won't go into who I am, but if anyone that comes here that thinks I'm wrong with my post check it out in any science or math book on the subject and see if I'm wrong---then come back here is show everyone who is ignorant at this thread.  8-)  Solitary AKA Bill

You wrote: "These are all "aparent" dilations, not actual, as so many writers claim."

Tell that to the physicists working in Argentina, where you get the most particles from cosmic radiation. When you calculate the half-life of the cosmic muons, compared to the lab muons, their half-life difference matches exactly what Special Relativity predicts. Time dilation is real, not apparent as you have claimed.

You wrote: "Which Sabrina riding on the broom will not notice anthing different about her broom or herself, but will "observe" one at rest in your frame of reference shrink in the direction of its motion."

No, it doesn't work that way.  You need to know about proper time. To do that you need to know who will measure two events with one clock. Example: you send someone to Alpha Centauri at near the speed of light. The person in the rocketship  will measure the departure and arrival (two events) with the same clock. That's the proper time. The observer on earth will need two clocks, one for the departure on earth, and a second clock on Alpha Centauri to measure the second event, the arrival. For the earth observer that is the improper time. The two times are related by,

T(proper time)  = t(improper time) ( 1 - v[sup:3jzoyzva]2[/sup:3jzoyzva]/c[sup:3jzoyzva]2[/sup:3jzoyzva])[sup:3jzoyzva]-1/2[/sup:3jzoyzva]

Otherwise you get the ridiculous claim: "the guy on the rocketship sees the earth moving so he thinks the people on earth are experiencing time dilation". Noboby "feels" like their experiencing time dilation. It's only when they will compare notes that they will realize that their clock was ticking differently, or that one looks younger than the other. The effect is real, even though the people on the rocketship don't feel it, they will experience time dilation, not the people on earth.

#### josephpalazzo

##### Re: Why Witch Sabrina Looks Thinner While Riding On Her Broo
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2013, 11:09:23 AM »
Quote from: "stromboli"
Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"
Quote from: "josephpalazzo"

Quote from: "josephpalazzo"
I'm making it ugly when someone with superficial understanding is posting as if he were a specialist in that field, which he clearly is not.

As I said in another post to plu, there are too many ignoramuses posting on the internet. So we have a Republican party dedicated to put creationism in the science class, and a Republican senator sitting on the science committee, who knows nothing about science, doesn't even believe in evolution or global warming, yet has the power to decide who is going to get a grant in science. Enough of this ignorance, and pardon me if I want to bring some light in this sad, pathetic world.

And the irony is atheists ranting about theists, accusing them of being willfully ignorant. Perhaps those atheists should look in the mirror before making that accusation.

You may or may not know a bit about physics, I'm not sure -- but  you clearly don't know shit about people.  If you were concerned with helping clear up their misconceptions, you wouldn't use invective which is certain to rile the students you're trying to educate.  Anyone with half-a-brain knows that insulting one's audience only works in stand-up comedy.

As a result, your posts strike me as attempts to assuage your own insecurities by treating others contemptuously.  Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe you're a decent person who knows how to communicate respectfully.  But I've yet to see any evidence of that, myself.

^this. What you are doing is tantamount to painting yourself into a corner.

You're free to listen to idiots and quacks. I don't believe to be nice to people who are posting erroneous information. No more that I don't believe to be nice to people who  believe in unacceptable religious beliefs, like vaginal mutilation. Do you think we should respect that?! Why?

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