Author Topic: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"  (Read 1222 times)

Offline pr126

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2017, 10:28:47 AM »
Wait, after actually reading that, you have proven yet again you have no grasp of the English language. That is not even remotely relevant.

Wait, I don't give a damn what you think.
You can get lost.

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Online Shiranu (OP)

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2017, 12:57:37 PM »
Wait, I don't give a damn what you think.
You can get lost.



You realise the irony of telling OP to get lost, right?
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Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2017, 01:33:50 PM »
when the media has convinced atheists that islam needs their protection.

lol.

Offline PickelledEggs

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2017, 01:37:04 PM »
Serious question, Shiranu:

Why do so many Muslims and hardcore liberals defend Islamic terrorism though?

Talking specifically about instances like the Charlie Hedbo shooting, where it is undeniable that Islam was the motivator
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Offline PickelledEggs

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2017, 02:42:52 PM »
I in no way imply that the majority or even half of muslims in the western world are as atrocious as the people that shot up a bunch of cartoonists that simply drew a picture of their beloved pedophile prophet... but I find it really interesting how so many muslims and hardcore liberals go on the defensive of the people that carry out these acts. And no. I don't mean they go on the defensive for muslims in general, that is waaaay  more understandable, I'm talking about how people defend the specific perpetrators of the crimes committed.

Way too many people just went and said "well you shouldn't criticize their faith" AS IF IT IS A JUSTIFIABLE REASON TO SHOOT SOMEONE. Give me a fucking break. If it was christans that did this, or even any other demographic, they would have universal damnation by everyone, but somehow, there is a large group of people that give this violent and irrational thinking a pass, and that isn't ok
"Tell Pilate to release the files!!!" - Bill Hicks
"I have an open mind, but not so open that my brains will fall out" -James Randi
"One who truly hates himself cannot love, he cannot place his trust in another." - NGE

Online Shiranu (OP)

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #20 on: March 30, 2017, 04:00:39 PM »
Serious question, Shiranu:

Why do so many Muslims and hardcore liberals defend Islamic terrorism though?

Talking specifically about instances like the Charlie Hedbo shooting, where it is undeniable that Islam was the motivator

A. Because they are idiots.
B. Very much for the same reason some members of the LGBT community because obnoxiously flaunting of their homosexuality, African Americans defend the "ghetto" mindset, etc. etc. ... when you are a member of, or support, a group that is constantly under attack, and more often than not inaccurately under attack, it reaches a point where you overly (and occasionally wrongly) defend the cause because it's become such a habit to defend it from false attacks.It also just becomes impossible to tell who is legitimately attacking an actual issue within the community and who is just being hateful.

I would say column A is probably larger than column B, but B does has a sizeable population as well.


Edit: That said, I disagree with your premise that Islam was the motivator. That idea completely ignores a huge swath of anti-Muslim sentiment and xenophobia that is growing stronger and stronger within our culture. Both were in the wrong, but the unfortunately reality is the one who was provoked, even if it was a fringe group within it, who takes all the blame.
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Offline Sorginak

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #21 on: March 30, 2017, 04:04:58 PM »
Something I keep seeing on my FB page:


Online Munch

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2017, 04:19:34 PM »
This is why I refer to Facebook for facts as much as I would refer to Dennis Nilsen for sex tips.

Offline Atheon

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2017, 04:22:14 PM »
I think I do.
But the original post is in no way an example of that.

Right-wingers throw that phrase around like they throw "socialism" around, not knowing that it actually means.
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Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2017, 04:22:56 PM »
I in no way imply that the majority or even half of muslims in the western world are as atrocious as the people that shot up a bunch of cartoonists that simply drew a picture of their beloved pedophile prophet... but I find it really interesting how so many muslims and hardcore liberals go on the defensive of the people that carry out these acts. And no. I don't mean they go on the defensive for muslims in general, that is waaaay  more understandable, I'm talking about how people defend the specific perpetrators of the crimes committed.

Way too many people just went and said "well you shouldn't criticize their faith" AS IF IT IS A JUSTIFIABLE REASON TO SHOOT SOMEONE. Give me a fucking break. If it was christans that did this, or even any other demographic, they would have universal damnation by everyone, but somehow, there is a large group of people that give this violent and irrational thinking a pass, and that isn't ok
I don't think anyone who claims that criticizing Islam is a justifiable reason to be shot can be defined as liberal, so you are wrong in saying that any liberal has said that, because that would by definition make them not liberal. Have some Muslims said that it was justifiable? I'm sure they have since plenty of Muslims think drawing the Prophet or making fun of Islam should be a crime.

I don't think those on the left saying that they would prefer that Islam not be mocked were justifying Charlie Hebdo. If a school shooting happens and I say that it's too bad the shooter was bullied, I'm not saying that the shooting was justified because of the bullying. Now, I don't think mocking Islam is the same as bullying and I like the work of Charlie Hebdo and think Islam needs to be criticized and satarised, but the point of view of some on the left is, I think at least, that we've done enough by bombing the shit out of Muslims, so why piss them off and rub it in even more by mocking their faith on top of the bombs and real bigotry?

Why do politicians defend Islam and say that it's a religion of peace that shouldn't be mocked? They're trying to get the votes of Muslims. Why do many regressives defend Islam and call it a religion of peace? They've bought into the Islamophobia BS started up by some Muslims who had very legitimate concerns about Muslims facing abuse and physical attacks, but as would be expected of religious people, they conflated that with criticizing the religion itself, so the regressives ran with this and people were now considered bigots for simply criticizing a religion. Both Bush and Obama pushed this idea, along with people in the media, so a lot of people bought into it. Obama said that the future should not belong to those who slander the Prophet, and a lot of regressives bought into the garbage.

I understand that Muslims have been through a lot of shit, but I still think that Islam needs to be criticized. The Quran does tell believers to terrorize the kuffar, and it does say that Muslims owe it to Allah to die for him. The wars are a huge deal, but these scriptures are also part of what motivates terrorists. Ex Muslims even in the west are afraid to come out as having left Islam. When a female politician shows up at a mosque in the west to show unity, she has to sit in the corner and not speak, or sit with the other women. This stuff needs to be criticized. I don't think Muslims should be expected to condemn terrorist attacks though, because even though they do read from the same Quran that the terrorists take inspiration from, when you look at the death tolls with over a million dead in just Iraq, while you have just a few thousand Westerners dead in total the last couple of decades, it starts to sound pretty darn silly to ask Muslims in the west to make it clear that they condemn the attacks every time one happens.
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Offline GrinningYMIR

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2017, 04:48:24 PM »
No matter how offensive a comic making fun of someone might be, it in no way justifies gunning down groups of people. Islam wasn't the perpetrator of that crime, techically a religion isnt a sentient being so it cant commit a crime.

But those guys who shot up the studio were muslims, and their religion does defend and even declare their actions to be Holy justified. (Yes holy justified)

So did Islam kill those people? No
Did islam cause those men to kill people who poked fun at their prophet? 90% certainty if going to their exact religious laws. 10% margin for crazy people wanting their heyday in a blaze of glory and using religion as a way to garner support.
"Human history is a litany of blood shed over differing ideals of rulership and afterlife"

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Offline pr126

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2017, 02:35:47 AM »
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Offline pr126

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2017, 03:23:01 AM »
But the original post is in no way an example of that.

Right-wingers throw that phrase around like they throw "socialism" around, not knowing that it actually means.

OP = #Notallmuslims. Distilled to one slogan.

Right-wingers?
There are two kind of people, right wingers and left wingers?
Is that so easy to label people?

Hmmm.
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Offline Baruch

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2017, 06:45:43 AM »
OP = #Notallmuslims. Distilled to one slogan.

Right-wingers?
There are two kind of people, right wingers and left wingers?
Is that so easy to label people?

Hmmm.

Wrong false dichotomy ... For Her/Against Her ... even if you aren't American.
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Offline pr126

Re: "Why Don't More Muslims Condemn Terrorists?"
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2017, 07:23:13 AM »
Wrong false dichotomy ... For Her/Against Her ... even if you aren't American.
Right wing? What does it even mean?
Nothing can fly on one wing only.  Everybody knows that.
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“True Ignorance is not the absence of knowledge but the refusal to acquire it.” - Karl Popper