Marxism 101: Socialism and Communism

Started by etienne, March 10, 2017, 05:50:59 AM

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etienne

#315
Quote from: pr126 on March 17, 2017, 11:29:06 AM
LOL. Good luck with that.

You mean card carrying communist? Followers of Stalin, Mao, Fidel, Che, Kim Un, Merkel?
Not many of them on this forum.

But really, what are you selling here?

Btw, I am surprised to see Shiranu on your  exile's list. I always thought he was one of your lot.
Ho hum.

When will you storm the Winter Palace? So far it is just hot air. Go for it!

Apropos, the ignore list of yours, is it wise? These were the only ones bothered to reply to your posts.

Keep it up and you have the thread all to yourself.  :holdtears:
Yeah, it may just be you and me as last ???-fessor and Rational Man standing.  We'll see.  I like good jokes(hint).

I dont know what Shiran-who? is all about as he/she/it mainly reduced his/her/itself to ad hominem and has contributed, thus far, ZERO to the topic of so-comm, which, if one takes a second out of bloviating nonsense to look, is what the thread is all about.  There's a whole "Master Class" on the subject here.

I am surrounded by 8' tall piles o' Winter Palace as we "speak".  I got more Winter Palace than the Eskimo King.
The Revolution does not fall like an apple when it is ripe:  you have to MAKE it fall...

Shiranu

#316
Quote...if one takes a second out of bloviating nonsense to look, is what the thread is all about.

And therein lies the problem; you have spoken so, so much to say so, so little. If a concept cannot be sufficiently and curtly explained, then it is in the realm of theoretical and impractical intellectual mind games rather than something practical and tangible that can actually be used in the real world. You probably don't realise it, but what you just said literally describes your entire posting style; talking at length with very little to actually say.

Additionally this thread is, and always has been, about you... not socialism or communism. Given the two together, I have no interest in affiliating with your position or engaging in the topic. When I posted my opinion on it against my better judgement that you actually were being serious, you response was, "Nuh uh, everything you posted was wrong!" (with zero evidence) and continued to just repeat what you had been saying without actually addressing what was said.

And don't even get me started on the childishness you have displayed for the majority of the thread.

Don't cast stones from your glass house, and don't be surprised when people find your shtick obnoxious and annoying.
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Baruch

When a so-called intellectual is ignorant of the intellectual history of Western civilization ... even more ignorant than Karl Marx ... then I would call that a fail ;-(  I had hoped so much from him, this potential acolyte of chaos (agains the Matrix) ... not a Neo, just a Paleo.  Not a hero, just a zero.
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
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What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

etienne

The Revolution does not fall like an apple when it is ripe:  you have to MAKE it fall...

etienne

#319
Frederick Engels:  Socialism is scientific, NOT "Utopian"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWK-PM2gE9U
The Revolution does not fall like an apple when it is ripe:  you have to MAKE it fall...

Baruch

Socialists/communists are like economists in general ... they wished their bullshit was science.  But it isn't even proctology.  Physics envy.

But yes, trying to poke a stick in the eye of the Norks ... isn't something I would do either.  Not that they are wonderful or anything, I just hate chauvinism ... leads to Third Reich war mongering.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

_Xenu_

Quote from: Baruch on March 17, 2017, 08:30:09 PM
Socialists/communists are like economists in general ... they wished their bullshit was science.  But it isn't even proctology.  Physics envy.

But yes, trying to poke a stick in the eye of the Norks ... isn't something I would do either.  Not that they are wonderful or anything, I just hate chauvinism ... leads to Third Reich war mongering.
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etienne

Quote from: _Xenu_ on March 17, 2017, 08:35:18 PM
Do you ever say anything that makes sense?
He thinks Plato invented Marxism, soooo...
The Revolution does not fall like an apple when it is ripe:  you have to MAKE it fall...

etienne

Quote from: Baruch on March 17, 2017, 08:30:09 PM
Socialists/communists are like economists in general ... they wished their bullshit was science.  But it isn't even proctology.  Physics envy.

But yes, trying to poke a stick in the eye of the Norks ... isn't something I would do either.  Not that they are wonderful or anything, I just hate chauvinism ... leads to Third Reich war mongering.
So-comm IS as much a science as physics or biology, etc.  It's uses the scientific method to observe and explain human historical movement in relation to the material, physical world, or human "economics".  But you'd have to actually READ Marx and Engels to know that.  And thats not going to happen, so keep on spinozing, dervish man...

Are you using the word "chauvinism" in the sense of "patriotism" or dogmaticism, or what?

The Revolution does not fall like an apple when it is ripe:  you have to MAKE it fall...

etienne

#324
Quote from: Shiranu on March 17, 2017, 04:16:30 PM
And therein lies the problem; you have spoken so, so much to say so, so little. If a concept cannot be sufficiently and curtly explained, then it is in the realm of theoretical and impractical intellectual
First of all, Skippy, you DONT have to come here.  Nobody's holding a gun to your head but I can think of a certain someone who might like to.  Don't worry, just one bullet in the revolver.

Second, the bolded is a logical fallacy, a non sequitur and good luck finding "'Curtly' Stephan Hawking, or Richard Dawkins or Karl Marx".
The Revolution does not fall like an apple when it is ripe:  you have to MAKE it fall...

etienne

Quote from: Baruch on March 17, 2017, 07:22:24 PM
When a so-called intellectual is ignorant of the intellectual history of Western civilization ... even more ignorant than Karl Marx ... then I would call that a fail ;-(  I had hoped so much from him, this potential acolyte of chaos (agains the Matrix) ... not a Neo, just a Paleo.  Not a hero, just a zero.
More word salad spin from Dervish Man.
The Revolution does not fall like an apple when it is ripe:  you have to MAKE it fall...

Shiranu

#326
QuoteFirst of all, Skippy, you DONT have to come here.  Nobody's holding a gun to your head but I can think of a certain someone who might like to.  Don't worry, just one bullet in the revolver.

And nobody is holding a gun telling me I cant express my opinion that you are are full of shit and of yourself. Also, your little fetish with violence only speaks volumes about yourself so carry on. I doubt anyone here actually gives you any credibility anymore, but just in case... shred it up even more.

QuoteSecond, the bolded is a logical fallacy, a non sequitur...

Which is fine, because the point still stands that if you cannot express it simply and curtly then it is, again, mental gymnastics rather than practical application knowledge. That is not meant to refute your point, nor even if it was is it by definition a non sequitur, so think of it what ever you like. I am not holding a gun to your head forcing you to speak or think in practical terms.

Quote...and good luck finding "'Curtly' Stephan Hawking, or Richard Dawkins or Karl Marx".

One of those is not like the others.

"Curtly" Stephan Hawking and Richard Dawkins DO exist, and I would assume a relatively curtly Karl Marx would as well. The difference is two of them are scientists who deal with tangible and mathematical concepts, the other is a poli-sci expert who deals with theoretical and mathematical concepts. To put it differently; scientists like RD and SH deal with concepts that follow set-in-stone rules... physics is physics is physics, biology is biology is biology. Marx on the other hand dealt with humans, who follow very few constants and possess a mind-boggling amount of variables. 

Perhaps one of your underlying flaws is you think humans can be reduced to mathematical equations who perfectly follow your laws, but as Marx and every other poli-sci and philosopher has learned since the start of civilization, that is just not the case. Even the most perfect of political theory will not work as intended because it is thrown into a chaotic system. The fact that you think humans are not emotional before logical creatures, as well as your apparent lack of any social ability, indicates that for all you think you know about poli-sci, you know very little about the actual implication or implementation of it.


Edit: Most of all though, I just enjoy posting towards someone who put me on their ignore list and then continues to address me. It gives me a real ego-boner to know I matter that much to someone. Not quite as engorged as when I was ignored and then saw thread after thread of the guy talking shit about me... but it's still a slight chubber.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Cavebear

Quote from: Shiranu on March 17, 2017, 11:00:46 PM

Which is fine, because the point still stands that if you cannot express it simply and curtly then it is, again, mental gymnastics rather than practical application knowledge. That is not meant to refute your point, nor even if it was is it by definition a non sequitur, so think of it what ever you like. I am not holding a gun to your head forcing you to speak or think in practical terms.

I agree with you that points should be made succinctly and straightforwardly.  And I will add, without suggestions of violence.
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Shiranu

Quote from: Cavebear on March 18, 2017, 01:01:39 AM
I agree with you that points should be made succinctly and straightforwardly.  And I will add, without suggestions of violence.

That was a tongue-in-cheek sass at his earlier post. Unless you meant that at him, in which case my bad... not fully sober.
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PickelledEggs

Quote from: etienne on March 17, 2017, 10:13:08 PM
First of all, Skippy, you DONT have to come here.  Nobody's holding a gun to your head but I can think of a certain someone who might like to.  Don't worry, just one bullet in the revolver.

Second, the bolded is a logical fallacy, a non sequitur and good luck finding "'Curtly' Stephan Hawking, or Richard Dawkins or Karl Marx".
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