Author Topic: Democrat Strategy vs. Trump  (Read 224 times)

Offline SGOS

Re: Democrat Strategy vs. Trump
« Reply #15 on: Today at 06:28:08 AM »
It is also about 90% improbable that we can have affordable health care while insurance companies are given a seat at the table when fixing the health care laws.
The reason people so widely support universal healthcare is because of insurance company shenanigans to begin with.  I think Obama didn't want to be the heavy and step on corporate toes, which would not be fun for the president.  His solution was to bring the problem into the solution.  But you just can't get rid of the problem by making the problem the solution. 

Obama wanted healthcare to be a part of his legacy, but he wanted it on his resume so bad that he was ready to trick Americans into an inferior product, something that was not at all remotely like the universal health care that the country was expecting.  People opened their arms to Obama when he showed interest in addressing the problem.  The country had finally reached a critical mass that would embrace European style universal coverage, and the debates in Washington, along with the payoffs from insurance companies to key members of congress, began to take place.  Yeah, the Republicans opposed Obama and healthcare and the Democrats supported it (at least when in front of TV crews).

And when the future for Average Americans started looking brighter and the country was finally chanting, "Healthcare!  Healthcare", the Democrats pulled a bait and switch, and instead of creating universal healthcare, passed a law forcing everyone to buy insurance from insurance companies (Remember insurance companies? They were the  companies that were consuming American paychecks, sometimes at a rate higher than a home mortgage).  I remember that turning point when people began to understand what was really coming to them.  Obama defended the Democrats new direction by claiming universal health care was only one small part of a health care bill.  He was in Montana at a town hall meeting with Montana Senator, Max Baucus (D), who had received something like 1.5 million dollars from the health care industry over the years.  He also chaired a vital committee that the bill would have to get through.

One small part of health care?  Well maybe, if an only IF universal coverage actually represented 5%, rather than 90% of what people thought they were getting.  In fact, it wasn't one small part, but Obama reinforced the impression of the insignificance of universal coverage by making the "itty bitty" sign between his thumb and forefinger. 

But universal coverage isn't "one small part."  It's basically the totality of the thing, not some insignificant "teeny weeny".  However, short term (the next 7 or 8 years), Obama received a personal benefit.  Health care!  At last!  Some people called it a baby step on the way to real universal coverage and hailed Obama as getting ball rolling, but it wasn't a baby step as much as a tactic to reinforce an already failed system.  It was a step backwards that actually undermines the concept of national healthcare, and will set healthcare back another 30 years and make it that much harder to pass the next time, when people (and politicians) remember the bitter taste left in their mouths from ACA and how poorly received a "healthcare" bill could be.
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Online Baruch

Re: Democrat Strategy vs. Trump
« Reply #16 on: Today at 07:12:21 AM »
Yeah, Obama had goals.  Trump has opposite goals.  You can't really hope for both sensibly. 

I AM hoping Trump GROWS into the job.  Some unlikely Presidents have (Truman comes to mind as does Teddy Roosevelt).  But I doubt that Trump is capable of much change.  Trump is a real WYSIWYG.

BTW, the week's Congressional inquiries and new stuff coming out on the news channels suggests Trump is involved directly or indirectly with Russian involvement.  I suspect he will be impeached, and for the 1st time in our history, for very good reasons.

It is never a good thing for a President to be impeached, but I think it is going to happen.  Yeah, I'm a Progressive and all that, but this isn't politics.  I suspect Trump is contaminated by Russian influence and we simply can't have that. 

I don't like Pence politically either, but I think he is clear of that.

Contaminated by Saudi influence?  By Israeli influence?  Impeach them all.  Start with that coup leader, George Washington.  Washington spoke British English (if we had tape recorders back then) ... clearly a British double agent (as was Franklin).  Jefferson was a French double agent.

So ... going back to McCarthy are we?  Gotta arrest all the gays ... and other degenerate elements in the US ... for making America's vital juices ... weak (sarc).
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Online Baruch

Re: Democrat Strategy vs. Trump
« Reply #17 on: Today at 07:15:11 AM »
The term 'successful' is a relative term. Successful at what? Trump's agenda contradicts Obama's, so if one wished Obama to be successful in his endeavors, one cannot wish Trump to be, because that is a contradictory position to take. If one supported ACA, one cannot support its repeal -- in other words.

War in Syria increasing, not decreasing (see Syria shot down Israeli jet).  War coming soon in Korea (special ops currently training to take out NorK nuclear program).  The only agenda is the MIC agenda.  Domestic politics is mere distraction.

And no, unfortunately, the ACA was one of the first term reasons I opposed Obama .. for signing it, he didn't write it.  Those who wrote it, many got forced out in the 2010 elections.
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Offline SGOS

Re: Democrat Strategy vs. Trump
« Reply #18 on: Today at 10:18:41 AM »
It is never a good thing for a President to be impeached, but I think it is going to happen.
It would be a hard sell with a Republican Congress.  A simple majority is required of the house, but 2/3 of the Senate has to be on board.

Re: Democrat Strategy vs. Trump
« Reply #19 on: Today at 10:38:50 AM »
The term 'successful' is a relative term. Successful at what? Trump's agenda contradicts Obama's, so if one wished Obama to be successful in his endeavors, one cannot wish Trump to be, because that is a contradictory position to take. If one supported ACA, one cannot support its repeal -- in other words.

I measure a candidacy in two broad categories; the prosperity of the nation and the security of the nation. Issues like same sex marriage and gender neutral bathrooms are of little importance to me.   

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Re: Democrat Strategy vs. Trump
« Reply #20 on: Today at 01:17:53 PM »
I measure a candidacy in two broad categories; the prosperity of the nation and the security of the nation. Issues like same sex marriage and gender neutral bathrooms are of little importance to me.

I am pro-gay ... so same sex marriage ... yay for the team.  But single-issue-voters ... that is a problem, gay or straight.  If we liberated every Black person, gave them a billion dollars each, put them at the head of every corporation ... as compensation ... that would be fine for them ... but I don't think in the short run, it would lead to anything but chaos.  Society is a competitive game that plays for keeps, and only idiots play fair when it is for keeps.  Don't come to a gun fight with a knife.
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