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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2017, 02:21:02 PM »
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Universal truth:

No matter how long you've been dealing with the human race, it keeps finding new and unexpected ways to fail your encreasingly lowered expectations.
Do you find that depressing?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2017, 02:31:16 PM »
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Do you find that depressing?

Depressing.

And hilarious.
"Intention is no matter. Only consequence has true form."
- Spencer Porkensenson

Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2017, 06:45:40 PM »
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Depressing.

And hilarious.
I know what you mean.  It is so much easier to have universal truths.  That way one does not have to think about things.  Just follow the 'truth'. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2017, 07:50:30 PM »
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Universal truth:

No matter how long you've been dealing with the human race, it keeps finding new and unexpected ways to fail your encreasingly lowered expectations.

That is called ... growing up.  It gets worse, believe me!
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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2017, 04:22:19 AM »
Universal societal "truths" are satisfying to simple-minded people.  I do not know of any.
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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2017, 07:49:17 AM »
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Universal societal "truths" are satisfying to simple-minded people.  I do not know of any.
What is a universal societal truth?

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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2017, 08:16:20 AM »
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What is a universal societal truth?

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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #67 on: June 18, 2017, 08:23:30 AM »
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What is a universal societal truth?

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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #68 on: June 18, 2017, 08:57:20 AM »
Death is a universal truth minus the societal part.

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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2017, 09:05:36 AM »
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Death is a universal truth minus the societal part.

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Atheists are cool with that.  No afterlife for them.
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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2017, 09:09:27 AM »
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Atheists are cool with that.  No afterlife for them.
I'm cool with it too. Afterlife should be nothing but an after thought.  Motives stemming from fear(of any sort) aren't aligned with any true religion or belief or faith. Baruch; correct me where I am wrong please. I specified you because of your resourcfulness and seeming lack of bias.

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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2017, 09:21:10 AM »
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I'm cool with it too. Afterlife should be nothing but an after thought.  Motives stemming from fear(of any sort) aren't aligned with any true religion or belief or faith. Baruch; correct me where I am wrong please. I specified you because of your resourcfulness and seeming lack of bias.

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I work hard at being unbiased.  But that doesn't mean I don't have an opinion or a favorite (or unfavorite).  I have studied everything I can, for my whole life.  And I try to apply charity to all I read and to all I know.  Some things I read (anti-semitism for example, read it every week) are hard to take, and so are some people.  I won't say I love my enemies, I am just trying hard not to have any.

Some of my posts are reactive.  Didactic posts don't fly well.  So not every post is thoughtful or researched.  I am as spontaneous as I can make myself ... but it comes from the real me, even if the real me is a parfait, not an ogre.  Yes, the greatest saint I know, is a Muslim woman who lived 1200 years ago.  Ra'bia of Basra.  She said that fear of punishment and hope of reward were ignoble motivations.  She had pure Allah love ... she was more true Muslim than Muhammad himself.
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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2017, 09:25:02 AM »
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I work hard at being unbiased.  But that doesn't mean I don't have an opinion or a favorite (or unfavorite).  I have studied everything I can, for my whole life.  And I try to apply charity to all I read and to all I know.  Some things I read (anti-semitism for example, read it every week) are hard to take, and so are some people.  I won't say I love my enemies, I am just trying hard not to have any.

Some of my posts are reactive.  Didactic posts don't fly well.  So not every post is thoughtful or researched.  I am as spontaneous as I can make myself ... but it comes from the real me, even if the real me is a parfait, not an ogre.  Yes, the greatest saint I know, is a Muslim woman who lived 1200 years ago.  Ra'bia of Basra.  She said that fear of punishment and hope of reward were ignoble motivations.  She had pure Allah love ... she was more true Muslim than Muhammad himself.
Thank you friend.

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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #73 on: June 20, 2017, 05:54:03 PM »
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Atheists are cool with that.  No afterlife for them.
Interesting point - are you expecting an afterlife? If so, what will it be like?
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Re: Let's rename objective morality
« Reply #74 on: June 20, 2017, 06:18:21 PM »
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Interesting point - are you expecting an afterlife? If so, what will it be like?

There already.  If you think you are not undead ... you are mistaken.  This is the afterlife.
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