Author Topic: If a Christian god exists, why does he pretend to not exist? cont. godditit vs n  (Read 1367 times)

Offline Baruch

After 'No creation, no Creator. ', you lost me.  God does not create because god is a fiction--he/she was invented by man.  I suppose one could say that humans are superior to an atom.  But what does that mean?  Seems a bit nonsensical to me.  And an atom, currently, is not defined as life.  I don't see any lifeform as being superior to another--just different.  And I'm not saying that all life is equal or should even exist.  And I'm not saying I don't kill other lifeforms--I do.  All of us do, for we have no choice.  We kill, at the very least, life within our own bodies and on our bodies every minute of every day.  Even if we kill ourselves we would then still be killing the organisms that have a symbiotic relationship with us.  Anyway, labeling one life form as superior or inferior does little to add to our understanding of our very real physical world.

Man creates .. but not ex nihilo.  That would be a straw man argument often used.  In Genesis, G-d doesn't create ex nihilo either.  Our creation is the rearrangement of existing things ... but more importantly, new ideas.  Are ideas made up of atoms?  Oh ... ideas are just activities of atoms.  Is atomic activity sponsored by the YMCA?  Do atoms get much exercise ;-)  Physical scientists understand very little ... about as much physics as the Pope understands ;-)  In olden times there was a hierarchy of worship ... god worship, demigod worship and hero worship.  Science as a cultural phenomena ... is a form of hero worship.  Our old poster Joe was "in love" with Einstein, but denied love to Feynman.  If you don't think you are superior, then just use drugs to stop your immune system.  Bacteria of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your antibodies!

Compare a pebble to the Great Pyramid.  Both are made of stone, and the pebble formed naturally, no Pharaoh involved.  So the pebble is the equal of the Great Pyramid, to you?  We macro-fauna are superior to micro-fauna ... at least in size and complexity.
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Man creates .. but not ex nihilo.  That would be a straw man argument often used.  In Genesis, G-d doesn't create ex nihilo either.  Our creation is the rearrangement of existing things ... but more importantly, new ideas.  Are ideas made up of atoms?  Oh ... ideas are just activities of atoms.  Is atomic activity sponsored by the YMCA?  Do atoms get much exercise ;-)  Physical scientists understand very little ... about as much physics as the Pope understands ;-)  In olden times there was a hierarchy of worship ... god worship, demigod worship and hero worship.  Science as a cultural phenomena ... is a form of hero worship.  Our old poster Joe was "in love" with Einstein, but denied love to Feynman.  If you don't think you are superior, then just use drugs to stop your immune system.  Bacteria of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your antibodies!

Compare a pebble to the Great Pyramid.  Both are made of stone, and the pebble formed naturally, no Pharaoh involved.  So the pebble is the equal of the Great Pyramid, to you?  We macro-fauna are superior to micro-fauna ... at least in size and complexity.
What is 'is'?--posed by my favorite philosopher. :))  It all depends upon what 'superior' means to you.  I don't care what it says in Genesis; it is clearly a fiction and has no bearing on reality.  I don't go to my Red Ryder comics to defend some philosophy or other.  I see--physical scientists don't understand anything while theistic ones do.  Right. 

As for the bacteria within me, that is a double edge sword.  Not all bacteria are equal.  Some my body needs to work at its best.  Others will make me sick.  So, I do my best to suppress the bad ones and support the good ones.  Am I superior to either kind?  I don't really care; I am more important to me, that I can say.  Are they superior to me?  What does that mean?  I'm sure most of them perform their natural function more efficiently than I; so does than make them superior?  I matters not if they or I am the most superior; that has no impact upon my life.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Baruch

What is 'is'?--posed by my favorite philosopher. :))  It all depends upon what 'superior' means to you.  I don't care what it says in Genesis; it is clearly a fiction and has no bearing on reality.  I don't go to my Red Ryder comics to defend some philosophy or other.  I see--physical scientists don't understand anything while theistic ones do.  Right. 

As for the bacteria within me, that is a double edge sword.  Not all bacteria are equal.  Some my body needs to work at its best.  Others will make me sick.  So, I do my best to suppress the bad ones and support the good ones.  Am I superior to either kind?  I don't really care; I am more important to me, that I can say.  Are they superior to me?  What does that mean?  I'm sure most of them perform their natural function more efficiently than I; so does than make them superior?  I matters not if they or I am the most superior; that has no impact upon my life.

"I don't go to my Red Ryder comics to defend some philosophy or other." ... you might be missing out ;-)  And no, scientists are geeks, only nerds understand, geeks don't get anything other than their own geekness.  Geeks understand only that there is no understanding.  Geeks think they are cool in black ... nerds wear colors.
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"I don't go to my Red Ryder comics to defend some philosophy or other." ... you might be missing out ;-)  And no, scientists are geeks, only nerds understand, geeks don't get anything other than their own geekness.  Geeks understand only that there is no understanding.  Geeks think they are cool in black ... nerds wear colors.
You may be right, Baruch (see how much easier that is when all the keys are labeled and easy to read??) Little Beaver does spew forth with line after line of philosophy! 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?