Author Topic: California Secession?  (Read 298 times)

Offline Baruch (OP)

California Secession?
« on: February 22, 2017, 07:05:44 PM »
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Re: California Secession?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2017, 09:06:45 PM »
I'm unconvinced.

Election of one shitty president isn't reason enough to secede, and US economic retaliation against Independent California Republic could force our industry leaders to migrate and cripple our economy. 45.8% of California land is owned by federal government.

Not to mention the high unlikelihood of a constitutional amendment being approved by two-thirds of House and Senate, and accepted by 38 out of 50 states, making this whole endeavor a huge con, and a waste of money and time.

Re: California Secession?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2017, 01:44:27 AM »
There is nothing in the Constitution about a state leaving the U.S., nor is there anything in the Constitution preventing a state from leaving the U.S.. This leaves it up to Congress to create a definition of the procedure. No Constitutional ammendment necessary. (yes I actually read it on a regular basis)

I was under the impression that leaving the U.S. followed the same procedure as a state wanting to join the U.S. - a presentation of arguments to Congress and then a vote by Congress.

An ammendment to the California Constitution??? Who cares? no really, who cares? We have proposals to ammend the California Constitution on every ballot... and just as many pass as those that fail
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Offline Sorginak

Re: California Secession?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2017, 02:10:40 AM »
Texas tried it.

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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: California Secession?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2017, 06:37:35 AM »
Texas tried it.

They won't get far ... between Oklahoma and Mexico is like being between a rock and a hard place ;-)  So hard to take a state, cut if off from the map, and motor it off into the Gulf.
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Offline SGOS

Re: California Secession?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2017, 06:46:07 AM »
I don't know about succession, but I think California should be divided into two states, North and South.  There is nothing about Northern California that is anything like Southern California.  The people are different, the geography is different, and the climate is different.  When they made California, Congress got lazy and decided to make it one state, because it was easier.

There is a problem with San Francisco.  Would that be North or South?  Some people there might have a civil war over it, with families divided.  That would not be a good thing.

Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: California Secession?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2017, 06:48:28 AM »
I don't know about succession, but I think California should be divided into two states, North and South.  There is nothing about Northern California that is anything like Southern California.  The people are different, the geography is different, and the climate is different.  When they made California, Congress got lazy and decided to make it one state, because it was easier.

There is a problem with San Francisco.  Would that be North or South?  Some people there might have a civil war over it, with families divided.  That would not be a good thing.

Most people put the E-W dividing line at Bakersfield.  Ever been to Bakersfield?  So San Fran would be part of the NC ... North California ... because they don't want to go to thru customs to get to the vineyards.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: California Secession?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2017, 07:37:44 AM »
I still think California's best influence would be to divide into several States.
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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: California Secession?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2017, 12:40:38 PM »
I still think California's best influence would be to divide into several States.

Yes, divide all D states, so that the D party can finally get a majority in the Galactic Senate ;-))
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Re: California Secession?
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2017, 07:24:58 AM »
Yes, divide all D states, so that the D party can finally get a majority in the Galactic Senate ;-))

The Six California measure floated a while ago would not result in six D states, but in a mix of D and R.

Calexit

There are pros and cons to a Calexit.  The biggest result is a potential for further secession of other blue states without California to act as an anchor for them.  New England and the Pacific NorthWest would be likely to go as well.
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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: California Secession?
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2017, 07:27:13 AM »
If we break up into individual counties, we can be city states, like ancient Greece.  Souvlaki!
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Re: California Secession?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2017, 03:05:43 AM »
just like Israel and Palestine two state solution fighting over Jerusalem....we can have a N Ca and a S Ca and fight over San Fransisco

maybe better a NW SE divide south of Angeles Forest east to the border include everything from the 5fwy west up to Santa Rosa. Everything north of Angeles forest and east of the 99fwy after you get to Sacremento draw the line west to Santa Rosa
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Offline Cavebear

Re: California Secession?
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2017, 04:40:27 AM »
The Six California measure floated a while ago would not result in six D states, but in a mix of D and R.

Calexit

There are pros and cons to a Calexit.  The biggest result is a potential for further secession of other blue states without California to act as an anchor for them.  New England and the Pacific NorthWest would be likely to go as well.

That is a very sensible idea.  And may I add that the District Of Columbia just be remanded into Maryland (like the Virginia part was) and end all that fuss about it's "statehood"?
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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: California Secession?
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2017, 09:01:34 AM »
That is a very sensible idea.  And may I add that the District Of Columbia just be remanded into Maryland (like the Virginia part was) and end all that fuss about it's "statehood"?

The US used to despise South Africa under White rule.  Now they want bantustans based on political affiliation.  I am so glad I am not young, and won't live much longer.  Oi!
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Offline Cavebear

Re: California Secession?
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2017, 10:47:05 AM »
The US used to despise South Africa under White rule.  Now they want bantustans based on political affiliation.  I am so glad I am not young, and won't live much longer.  Oi!

It was Bantu land before colonialism.  Why shouldn't it be their's again? I don't care abount their political affiliation.

And I have to say one thing to ALL of you - You have improved my typing!  Not 100% but maybe 50%.
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