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Is a ban on Muslims legal???

Started by fencerider, February 03, 2017, 05:31:18 AM

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Unbeliever

Quote from: Hydra009 on February 03, 2017, 09:50:55 PM
It really fucked people with green cards.

Imagine being a loyal, peaceable American citizen and getting the shock of your life at the airport, watching security slap handcuffs on you and your 5-year-old son.  Hearing how you're considered a security risk by the orange buffoon who couldn't properly vet his own administration let alone the country's immigrants.  The initial shock and confusion among those on the receiving side of this executive order might have been something akin to what Japanese Americans felt during WWII.
And the Chump bunch said only 109 people were even affected by it! I wonder whose ass they pulled that number from?
God Not Found
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Unbeliever

Quote from: Shiranu on February 04, 2017, 07:03:20 AM
Since the Constitution does only protect American citizens,

Not only citizens are protected - anyone in this country is protected. The constitution says "persons" not citizens.
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Baruch

#62
Quote from: Unbeliever on February 17, 2017, 04:56:28 PM
Not only citizens are protected - anyone in this country is protected. The constitution says "persons" not citizens.

But you are unprotected at the border, from any customs agents on either side.  The black line on the map is no-man's land.  So you will loose any privacy, to any electronics, if you take your electronics across the US border in either direction.

PS - your rights are only valid to the extent that you can afford an expensive, persistent, competent attorney.  ABA has this locked down.

From another thread ... nations have no friends or allies.  We have temporary arrangements, because what we have is common is screwing the commoners.
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Cavebear

Quote from: Unbeliever on February 17, 2017, 04:56:28 PM
Not only citizens are protected - anyone in this country is protected. The constitution says "persons" not citizens.

Good point.  I will have to remember that applies in some situations.  But most of the Constitution applies to actual citizens.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on February 19, 2017, 03:07:59 AM
Good point.  I will have to remember that applies in some situations.  But most of the Constitution applies to actual citizens.

After Citizens United .. the only way to survive in America, is as a Subchapter S corporation.  And that is why your comment is wrong, since corporations, including international corporations, are persons.  Citizen means slave of the IRS ... which persons, like Apple Inc, are not.
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pr126

#65
Saudi Atabia deports 40,000 Pakistani workers over terror fears

QuoteThe Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has expelled almost 40,000 Pakistani migrant workers in the last four months, local media has reported.
Over 39,000 people have been deported since October 2016 over visa violations and security concerns, the Saudi Gazette reported, citing unnamed interior ministry officials. As well as crimes including drug trafficking, forgery and theft, an unknown number of those removed from the country were suspected to have links to Isis and other extremist groups, the paper said. 

Where is the outrage, the demonstrations?

Crickets.

Merkel will have them all. They now qualify as refugees.



fencerider

Quote from: Baruch on February 17, 2017, 06:27:46 PM
your rights are only valid to the extent that you can afford an expensive, persistent, competent attorney.
Well if you want to put it that way, all of us are illegals...
"Do you believe in god?", is not a proper English sentence. Unless you believe that, "Do you believe in apple?", is a proper English sentence.

Baruch

Quote from: fencerider on February 19, 2017, 04:19:03 PM
Well if you want to put it that way, all of us are illegals...

That is what my native American friends say.  Laugh it off.  Notice Congress made no move to overturn Citizens United.
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Shiranu

Quote from: pr126 on February 19, 2017, 09:51:01 AM
Saudi Atabia deports 40,000 Pakistani workers over terror fears

Where is the outrage, the demonstrations?

Crickets.

Merkel will have them all. They now qualify as refugees.




If Saudi Arabia asked you to jump, how high would you pr? Since it seems any time they do something shitty, that's an excuse for us to be shitty as well, because we are better than them (such logic).
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Baruch

#69
Quote from: Shiranu on February 19, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
If Saudi Arabia asked you to jump, how high would you pr? Since it seems any time they do something shitty, that's an excuse for us to be shitty as well, because we are better than them (such logic).

Since the Petro-dollar and the original oil embargo of the 1970s, the US has been Saudi Arabia's bitch.  Enjoying your tricks in the cat house, chica?
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pr126

#70
Quote from: Shiranu on February 19, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
If Saudi Arabia asked you to jump, how high would you pr? Since it seems any time they do something shitty, that's an excuse for us to be shitty as well, because we are better than them (such logic).


I heard that the Saudis donated £20 Million to Hillary towards buying the presidency.
Shame it didn't work out .

Jason Harvestdancer

It's not a ban on Muslims.  It is a 3 month suspension on travel from seven specific countries.  Muslims from other countries can come in.  Christians from those seven countries cannot.  Nothing is being done to any US citizen who is a Muslim.

Please, be accurate in your criticism.  You damage your own case when you distort that which you are criticizing.
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fencerider

I never said Trump made a ban on muslims. It was meant as future tense, because apparently Trump does want to ban all muslims.
"Do you believe in god?", is not a proper English sentence. Unless you believe that, "Do you believe in apple?", is a proper English sentence.

Cavebear

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 forbids discrimination against immigrants based on their "nationality, place of birth, or place of residence." It is really that clear and straightforward.
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Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on February 26, 2017, 01:33:23 AM
The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 forbids discrimination against immigrants based on their "nationality, place of birth, or place of residence." It is really that clear and straightforward.

You are forgetting the other 250 million laws and regulations, that mutually contradict ... that have to be interpreted by a judge.  There have been existing vetting process for travelers and immigrants, from every country ... Trump just wants the State Department to tweak the ones for 7 countries (out of over 200 countries) and the ban is temporary, until the State Department gets its act together.  The State Department, actually had the "blind sheik" who first attacked the Twin Towers in 1993 .. admitted under a preference that was politically motivated.  The "blind sheik" wasn't pro-American, or under threat by his home country, other than that he was a terrorist.
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