Author Topic: There is no God PERIOD  (Read 7426 times)

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2017, 12:28:53 PM »
Proof? Science?  Since when have we ever relied on these things in this life? The only thing we now need are 'alternative facts' as dictated by our beloved dicktaster in chief..

You mean Lord Dampnut?

"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2017, 01:15:02 PM »
I'm just curious if you demand a double blind test for everything you have come to believe is true? Like the belief we owe our existence to unguided naturalistic forces?
I think it's just for the claims regarding something they say created THE WHOLE FUCKING UNIVERSE.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Offline Ro3bert (OP)

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2017, 04:29:21 PM »
I'm just curious if you demand a double blind test for everything you have come to believe is true? Like the belief we owe our existence to unguided naturalistic forces?

No just proof of Gods existence.

Offline Drew_2017

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2017, 01:45:14 PM »
That's not a belief. That is the default position. Everything we can observe is explained by naturalistic forces. Your god, though, has yet to have been proven to have any impact on our universe at all.

We do observe naturalistic forces. We have yet to observe is what caused naturalistic forces to exist and that's the question at hand. What is the naturalistic explanation that explains how naturalistic forces came into existence?
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
Albert Einstein

Offline Cavebear

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2017, 01:56:28 PM »
Yes, humans are not so great apes.  Meanwhile if a period isn't a divinity, what about a colon?  Would a semi-colon be a demi-god? ;-)

No one uses semi-colons; there is no point to them.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead

Offline Baruch

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2017, 03:57:37 PM »
No one uses semi-colons; there is no point to them.

Two points actually,  a period and a coma.  Only women worry about the first, the second is a problem for anyone  ;-)
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Offline aitm

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2017, 04:03:49 PM »
What is the naturalistic explanation that explains how naturalistic forces came into existence?
Turtles....turtles all the way down.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2017, 05:33:08 PM »
We do observe naturalistic forces. We have yet to observe is what caused naturalistic forces to exist and that's the question at hand. What is the naturalistic explanation that explains how naturalistic forces came into existence?

Why should we assume that naturalistic forces did not always exist? You're relying on assumptions.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

Online Shiranu

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2017, 05:40:09 PM »
Turtles....turtles all the way down.

"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion..." - Nelson Mandela

"There are not two sides to bigotry and there are not two sides to hatred." - Arnold Schwarzenegger

Offline Drew_2017

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2017, 12:36:24 PM »
Why should we assume that naturalistic forces did not always exist? You're relying on assumptions.

Two main reasons. Big bang theory is still the prevailing theory of how the universe (as we now know it) came into existence. According to that theory the universe emerged from a singularity of infinite mass contained in a single point which would be nothing like the naturalistic forces we know of. The second reason depends on if you believe time always existed without beginning as part of naturalistic forces. If it did, we'd never cross an infinity to get to this time. If you believe time didn't always exist that would be a nature we have no familiarity with.

What's interesting to note is you attempt to get around the inherent weakness of naturalistic forces by imbuing them with supernatural attributes such as always having existed. That is a divine attribute isn't it?

 
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
Albert Einstein

Offline Drew_2017

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2017, 12:38:18 PM »
Turtles....turtles all the way down.

Sounds more like a declaration of faith. Anything known facts to back up that belief?
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
Albert Einstein

Offline SGOS

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2017, 03:11:06 PM »
If you believe time didn't always exist that would be a nature we have no familiarity with.  What's interesting to note is you attempt to get around the inherent weakness of naturalistic forces by imbuing them with supernatural attributes such as always having existed. That is a divine attribute isn't it?

I would disagree.  Why is it a divine attribute?

To argue that time, infinity, or beginning is a divine attribute is convenient if one feels compelled to explain time or the absence of time, but explaining that which we don't understand is intellectually futile and intellectually dishonest.

Naturalistic forces may or may not have a weakness.  A weakness as you describe it is little more that not being able to understand something, and it is not an inherent property of the force itself.  This is due to our ignorance.  There is no reason to believe that what we don't understand must be a divine attribute.  All that we can say is that we don't understand.  Any assumptions we can make are speculative, including speculations about divine attributes.   
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Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2017, 08:18:04 PM »
^^^What he said. So-called "divine attributes" aren't all that uncommon. Just look at any old white man, and you see a living divine attribute.



There's nothing divine about the sideways eight. Besides, if the universe did have a beginning (and it appears it did), then the natural forces are not eternal anyway. They've always been because they were there from the start. History is likely finite.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2017, 11:26:00 PM »
No one uses semi-colons; there is no point to them.
It's a good thing too. Otherwise your gutts would be full of poop.
god is never early, but he is never late either... so true, so true; but I would rather have him show up late than to not show up at all. When was the last time god showed up for anything??? uh never

Offline Baruch

Re: There is no God PERIOD
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2017, 06:35:33 AM »
It's a good thing too. Otherwise your gutts would be full of poop.

But ...

=0 ... punctuation for colostomy bag ;-(
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