Author Topic: Christian Apologetics  (Read 678 times)

Re: Christian Apologetics
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2017, 09:49:22 PM »
I really doubt that anyone has ever been able to interpret, much less confront "reality as it is" because no one has ever been able to perceive reality as it is. Probably never will. We can only interpret reality as it appears to us, and we each see it in a different way, from a different worldview.
I agree--'our' world is as we think it to be.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Christian Apologetics
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2017, 01:59:00 AM »
Heisreal, can you tells us why a god has a right to demand this thing called faith? For what reason should any of us have this thing called faith? The way I see it, if a god doesn't want to justify his actions but demands that we accept them, than he is no better than a bully. Just as well, if a god never shows his face, he has no right to expect anyone to believe he is real. And if a god never shows his face and still demands that we believe in him or he will punish us, then that god is sadistic.
you and your psychosis

Offline Baruch

Re: Christian Apologetics
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2017, 06:23:27 AM »
Heisreal, can you tells us why a god has a right to demand this thing called faith? For what reason should any of us have this thing called faith? The way I see it, if a god doesn't want to justify his actions but demands that we accept them, than he is no better than a bully. Just as well, if a god never shows his face, he has no right to expect anyone to believe he is real. And if a god never shows his face and still demands that we believe in him or he will punish us, then that god is sadistic.

Definitely cruel.  Possibly sado-masochistic.  I don't accept anyone's demands anyway.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: Christian Apologetics
« Reply #33 on: January 31, 2017, 04:48:05 AM »
I agree--'our' world is as we think it to be.

Oddly, I think "reality" is real.  Prick me and I bleed.  Push me over a wall and I fall.  Lack me of water and I die.  I find reality to be quite acceptable to my senses.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead

Offline Baruch

Re: Christian Apologetics
« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2017, 06:29:19 AM »
Oddly, I think "reality" is real.  Prick me and I bleed.  Push me over a wall and I fall.  Lack me of water and I die.  I find reality to be quite acceptable to my senses.

MikeCL is talking about the world of argument, not the world of the medical lab ;-)  You only go to the medical lab, because you believe (with partial justification) that the doctor's lab order can help you.  So MikeCLs statement and yours are complementary.  On the lack of water ... that is a reasonable assumption, but until you kill yourself, you don't know.  Even if you kill someone else, you don't know ... you might be immortal and an asshole (for killing someone).
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Re: Christian Apologetics
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2017, 08:56:11 AM »
Oddly, I think "reality" is real.  Prick me and I bleed.  Push me over a wall and I fall.  Lack me of water and I die.  I find reality to be quite acceptable to my senses.
Sure the physical laws of the universe apply to all equally.  But what we think of as important is unique to us; reality is full of what we think of as real.  And I would suggest your reality and mine are different--but probably similar.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Cavebear

Re: Christian Apologetics
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2017, 09:37:20 AM »
MikeCL is talking about the world of argument, not the world of the medical lab ;-)  You only go to the medical lab, because you believe (with partial justification) that the doctor's lab order can help you.  So MikeCLs statement and yours are complementary.  On the lack of water ... that is a reasonable assumption, but until you kill yourself, you don't know.  Even if you kill someone else, you don't know ... you might be immortal and an asshole (for killing someone).

Therefore, we should all die ASAP to see if a deity exists?  What if we choose the wrong one?

I can't imagine that Mithra would be too fond of a Thor believer...
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead