Fort Lauderdale shooting: five killed and suspect identified as war veteran

[Shiranu]

Mental health and illness is something Americans still don't take as seriously as they should. It has gotten a little better, but just 10 years ago over half of Americans believed depression was caused by the weakness of an individual rather than being an actual disease, and the stigma around being treated is still incredibly strong.

Add that on top of how we treat our veterans anyways...

[Baruch]

Mental health and illness is something Americans still don't take as seriously as they should. It has gotten a little better, but just 10 years ago over half of Americans believed depression was caused by the weakness of an individual rather than being an actual disease, and the stigma around being treated is still incredibly strong.

Add that on top of how we treat our veterans anyways...

Veterans are useful two ways to the authorities.  Once as a bullet catcher.  Then with PTSD, as a weak person who can be brainwashed once again.

[Baruch]

You forgot the Illuminati and chemtrails.

Actually, I am one of the Illumnati ... and I can tell you that chemtrails aren't real, but fluoridation is.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Veterans are useful two ways to the authorities.  Once as a bullet catcher.  Then with PTSD, as a weak person who can be brainwashed once again.

People with PTSD are weak?

[Nonsensei]

People with PTSD are weak?

They're vulnerable.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

They're vulnerable.

He said "weak". And I know that not all people with PTSD are weak OR vulnerable.

[Baruch]

People with PTSD are weak?

Vulnerable, like anyone else with mental problems.  Or do you think veterans are like Wolverine?  Intel services choose appropriate victims, if you weren't chosen are you jealous?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Vulnerable, like anyone else with mental problems.  Or do you think veterans are like Wolverine?  Intel services choose appropriate victims, if you weren't chosen are you jealous?

I'll descramble your post. Having PTSD doesn't automatically make you vulnerable.

[Baruch]

I'll descramble your post. Having PTSD doesn't automatically make you vulnerable.

Being in a war, doesn't make you a veteran ... zing!  For some, even getting wounded doesn't make you a veteran ... Kerry ;-(  Not all veterans get PTSD.  My best friend in HS, got in the Navy, had a nervous breakdown, and war wasn't involved.  He put himself (and was put) into a situation that his neural chemistry couldn't handle.  Ruined his life (and that is how I see veterans with PTSD).  Other service-people became men/women in the military, with or without veteran status.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

This rabbit hole comes out somewhere, I know it.

[Baruch]

I'll descramble your post. Having PTSD doesn't automatically make you vulnerable.

What doesn't destroy you, makes you stronger?  Is that you Saddam?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What doesn't destroy you, makes you stronger?  Is that you Saddam?

You know his middle name was "Ize", right?

[drunkenshoe]

America doesn't have some unique standing in mentall illness, but Americans have an unbelievable tendency of auto-manipulation and auto-censorship to dump specific problems into mentall liness -and religion- to distance it from certain issues they either do not want to change or believe they can't and that give way to the most disasters like this. 

The culture itself is cruel and crushing to the individual with its norms and definitions of acceptence, identity, success and failure, reward and punishment just the usual circumtances looks enough to produce a high amount of random violence of this sort collided with the gun culture. There is no need of some severe mentall illness to provide these events, but needlessly to say they are more vulnerable to these circumstances.

The amount of people with severe mental illness or insanity -that we could point out as a main factor- who commited mass or serial murder is a very little group actually so tiny of  agroup cuold be taken as negligable in face of the typical group of mass shootings. Even chronic disorders like psycopathy and sociopathy which people just love to throw around need other specific conditions to cause someone to murder. And they far often not.


But if you listen the general opinion in the society, you'd think the USA is a 10 mil km sq open air asylum where millions of loose, homicidally insane patients run around armed.

[Baruch]

Yes, Americans fear other Americans, but like most people we misestimate risk.  Often people think a scary thing is high risk when it isn't.  And something that is less scary but still serious, isn't considered as likely, when it is.  See accidents in bathrooms and kitchens.  Clearly the FBI, at least, misestimated the risk with this particular character.  If they wanted to hold him, they could of, by planting evidence "eek, clutching pearls".

African-Americans in particular ... have good reason to fear policemen, in some places in particular.  Other places not so much.  African-Americans are subject to systematic and long term oppression, because their mere existence negates the Matrix that White Americans tell about themselves.  Native Americans do the same.  Today, unlike my grandparent's time ... Irish Americans and Jewish Americans etc can pretty much fly under the radar disguised as WASPS.

On the other hand, for people who aren't American, they are just as guilty of Occidentalism as the West is guilty of Orientalism.  Many cultures, with some justification, and we can thank TV of this ... do think America is an open air asylum with patients running around armed.  And from their perspective, they are right.  The American elite, like Hillary and Romney ... consider their fellow citizens with contempt ... but then the elite always do that.  Après nous le déluge