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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: AI, Aristotle, G-d and the bootstrap problem ...
« Reply #60 on: February 11, 2017, 11:38:09 AM »
Good article from last year ... but what is a neural network (electronically or in software) vs a biological system?

https://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2016/10/google-ai-neural-network-cryptography/

A cryptography, that neither sender nor receiver understand ... what could go wrong? ;-)
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Offline Cavebear

Re: AI, Aristotle, G-d and the bootstrap problem ...
« Reply #61 on: February 19, 2017, 04:52:27 AM »
He needs to define terms (he likes to teach anyway) and give us a full course in theory of computation ;-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_computation

I agree with him, that Turing machines aren't sentient ... in which case AI is a fraud.  If he claims that some Turing machines are sentient, he needs to produce one, and test it with something better than the naive Turing Test.  Most people won't pass the Turing Test.  They actually have this test from time to time, and it is a joke, an exercise in human projection or anthropomorphism ... which dates back to the Eliza program (an online psychologist).

Cute and pedantic.  But you haven't answered the question about "state machines".  And probably won't.
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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: AI, Aristotle, G-d and the bootstrap problem ...
« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2017, 06:42:16 AM »
Cute and pedantic.  But you haven't answered the question about "state machines".  And probably won't.

A state machine is a very limited example of a Turing machine, a subset of the universal Turing machine.  So what state are you talking about, Montana?
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Re: AI, Aristotle, G-d and the bootstrap problem ...
« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2017, 01:34:45 AM »
plants don't have nerves, so it is speculative if they have brains or not
but science says that plants communicate with each other in a way that suggests they do have a brain.

Isn't a state machine a type of analog computer?

Is polywater a neccessary component of cold fusion?

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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: AI, Aristotle, G-d and the bootstrap problem ...
« Reply #64 on: February 28, 2017, 06:51:13 AM »
but science says that plants communicate with each other in a way that suggests they do have a brain.

Isn't a state machine a type of analog computer?

Is polywater a neccessary component of cold fusion?

Yes there is chemical messaging of various types, between various living systems ... though sometimes it is because they share root systems ... so they aren't really separate individuals.  In human society, you can't survive on your own ... are you still an individual?

Sorry, a state machine is a simple digital device, like a digital door lock.  Analog and digital are completely different.

Polywater?  Didn't that make the crew of the Enterprise go batty for awhile?  A Russian hoax actually.  Cold fusion is another hoax, from Utah.  Mormon science ;-)
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Re: AI, Aristotle, G-d and the bootstrap problem ...
« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2017, 10:41:51 AM »
Oh right let me rephrase the question:
Is polywater a neccessary component of cold-fusion? ;-)
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Offline Baruch (OP)

Re: AI, Aristotle, G-d and the bootstrap problem ...
« Reply #66 on: February 28, 2017, 07:33:06 PM »
Oh right let me rephrase the question:
Is polywater a neccessary component of cold-fusion? ;-)

It is fraud all the way down, right back to Archimedes.  Would you trust a guy running from a public bath, naked?  Eureka my ass ;-)
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Offline Cavebear

Re: AI, Aristotle, G-d and the bootstrap problem ...
« Reply #67 on: March 02, 2017, 06:44:03 AM »
It is fraud all the way down, right back to Archimedes.  Would you trust a guy running from a public bath, naked?  Eureka my ass ;-)

"Eureka" means "I'm running down the road wet and naked", right?  Sure, I'd trust him.  Better than some wet naked theist...
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