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Started by Blackleaf, December 21, 2016, 06:00:15 PM

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Cavebear

Quote from: popsthebuilder on April 07, 2017, 07:58:05 AM
Sorta....Covet is to desire or want.

The faithful to GOD are to be wanting in no thing, and desire naught but what is good and right in the sight of GOD.



faith in selfless unity for good

And "desire" is not the same as "take".  The taking is the ancient crime.  Covet all you want, but do not take.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

popsthebuilder

Quote from: Cavebear on April 07, 2017, 08:17:09 AM
And "desire" is not the same as "take".  The taking is the ancient crime.  Covet all you want, but do not take.
To want is the precursor and motivation to take.... greed is the issue.

If you want not then what motivation is there to take from another?



faith in selfless unity for good


SGOS

It's OK to take a greedy guy's loot.  You are punishing the greedy guy in God's name.  You can even get coupons to Heaven.  But if you don't covet, you won't take his loot, and the system breaks down.

Cavebear

Quote from: popsthebuilder on April 07, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
To want is the precursor and motivation to take.... greed is the issue.

If you want not then what motivation is there to take from another?

faith in selfless unity for good

Thinking of doing something is not the same as doing it.  Human will gives some control.  Desire to take is not the same as taking.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Mike Cl

Quote from: SGOS on April 07, 2017, 08:10:46 AM
I don't care who covets what.  Just don't covet any of my stuff.
They can covet my stuff all they want--just don't take it. :)
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Mike Cl

Quote from: popsthebuilder on April 07, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
To want is the precursor and motivation to take.... greed is the issue.

If you want not then what motivation is there to take from another?



faith in selfless unity for good
If you 'want not' then what motivation is there to do anything? 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

SGOS

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 07, 2017, 09:59:46 AM
If you 'want not' then what motivation is there to do anything? 
This is a clue that religion was created by the elite to keep the riff raff out of their hair.

Blackleaf

Quote from: popsthebuilder on April 07, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
To want is the precursor and motivation to take.... greed is the issue.

If you want not then what motivation is there to take from another?



faith in selfless unity for good

The idea of the thought sin wasn't in the Bible until Jesus showed up. In the Old Testament, doing was the sin. God didn't care about intent. Just look at what he did to the man who dared to put his hand on the Ark of the Covenant. He did it to keep the Ark from falling over, but God was like, "Nope. Rules are rules. I said no touching, so you're dead now."
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville--

Baruch

Quote from: SGOS on April 07, 2017, 10:10:58 AM
This is a clue that religion was created by the elite to keep the riff raff out of their hair.

Remember, priests originally were the only ones who could read/write.  In fact, they are the ones that took writing from book-keeping into literature.  Control the narrative, or it controls you.  All power to Marduk!
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: popsthebuilder on April 07, 2017, 09:16:39 AM
To want is the precursor and motivation to take.... greed is the issue.

If you want not then what motivation is there to take from another?



faith in selfless unity for good

Buddha said so ;-)  Not just greed, but even wanting.  Calm the mental monkey.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: SGOS on April 07, 2017, 09:25:10 AM
It's OK to take a greedy guy's loot.  You are punishing the greedy guy in God's name.  You can even get coupons to Heaven.  But if you don't covet, you won't take his loot, and the system breaks down.

You give the loot to G-d ... G-d needs it more than you.  See the incident in the Book of Joshua, regarding the spoils of Ai.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 07, 2017, 09:59:46 AM
If you 'want not' then what motivation is there to do anything?

Consumer much?  Will you die with the most boy toys?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

popsthebuilder

Quote from: Cavebear on April 07, 2017, 09:38:30 AM
Thinking of doing something is not the same as doing it.  Human will gives some control.  Desire to take is not the same as taking.
I agree and didn't say it was

faith in selfless unity for good


popsthebuilder

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 07, 2017, 09:59:46 AM
If you 'want not' then what motivation is there to do anything?
You can want a thing without it being dependent on a reward or consiquinces. The motivation is from doing what one knows to be right....For the sake of it itself.

faith in selfless unity for good


Baruch

Quote from: popsthebuilder on April 07, 2017, 01:05:04 PM
You can want a thing without it being dependent on a reward or consiquinces. The motivation is from doing what one knows to be right....For the sake of it itself.

faith in selfless unity for good

Only enlightened conscience does that.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.