Author Topic: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?  (Read 534 times)

Offline Fifa-girl-1999 (OP)

http://www.nderf.org/Archives/NDERF_NDEs.html

This link I have provided has archives of NDEs. They are all very short. If you even read only five of them, you will see what I mean. They are all so similar and involve some light which becomes part of a person's soul, and they feel an enormous amount of love that they cannot describe. Then, they often see a younger version of their deceased relatives who welcome them. Some will even come back with messages that they could not have known. An example is a lady who saw her grandfather. She never met him in true life. He told her to tell her grandmother to look behind her stove. Behind her stove was a key which she had lost years ago. It is stories like these that cause me to scratch my head and wonder if indeed there is something more after death. Some people even report extra-sensory perception, which I don't know how a dying brain could achieve. My question is, what are your thoughts on the striking resemblance between these cases, and the fact that some people say it felt so real they believe science is incorrect in saying that it is only a faulty brain?

Offline Atheon

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2016, 04:37:39 PM »
The answer to the question in the subject line is: No.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2016, 05:40:50 PM »
No.
Please don't take anything I say seriously.

Offline aitm

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2016, 05:42:20 PM »
When I was a little boy I had a dream where I was flying. I flew over the house across the fields and across the AuSable river. As I have never flown before, how is it possible that I could dream this? Why I must have god himself sending me dreams. Once I got to fuck Jessica Alba...god is great.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline Baruch

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2016, 06:53:25 PM »
As a theist, I accept NDEs as genuine experience ... how to interpret them I think is as varied as the people who experience them, even if you only accept them as dream states.  I have paranormal experience myself.  However ... I think there has been experiments with NDEs ... where the "astral projector" is asked to look at something that they can't see from their bed looking up, but could see looking down ... and so far, no evidence that the experience is more than a dream state.  I don't diss dream states, I consider them part of reality, not in opposition to reality.
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Online Mr.Obvious

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2016, 07:02:45 PM »
Hallucinations and honest mistakes, most like.
And when hearing extraordinary claims, always ask yourself; what's the evidence?
The similarity of claims does nothing to validate them.
E = Mc²

In the end, we are all standing in the dark,
trying to figure out why we are here.
But let us not choose one direction
without proof of where it is headed.

Check your pocket for matches
so we can observe and learn together
as fast friends and relative idiots.

Offline Baruch

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2016, 07:20:11 PM »
Hallucinations and honest mistakes, most like.
And when hearing extraordinary claims, always ask yourself; what's the evidence?
The similarity of claims does nothing to validate them.

I don't discredit mistakes and hallucinations ... ape men shouldn't be proud of their lice.
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Online Mr.Obvious

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2016, 01:37:06 AM »
I don't discredit mistakes and hallucinations ... ape men shouldn't be proud of their lice.

Good for you, I just don't credit them as evidence.
And... Down with parasites?
E = Mc²

In the end, we are all standing in the dark,
trying to figure out why we are here.
But let us not choose one direction
without proof of where it is headed.

Check your pocket for matches
so we can observe and learn together
as fast friends and relative idiots.

Online PickelledEggs

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2016, 03:50:37 AM »
NDE can be summed up in two words: Trauma Tripping.

Here is a very low-tech explanation. When you are near death, and the adrenaline and other hormones and chemicals your body produces rushes to your body as it's in full "fight or flight" mode, your mind hallucinates.

NDEs are zero evidence for the afterlife.
"Tell Pilate to release the files!!!" - Bill Hicks
"I have an open mind, but not so open that my brains will fall out" -James Randi
"One who truly hates himself cannot love, he cannot place his trust in another." - NGE

Offline Baruch

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2016, 06:59:13 AM »
I agree, there is no afterlife.  We experience NDEs if we do, in this life.  There is no pre-life either.  I see no evidence for reincarnation (Abrahamic heaven is just reincarnation or reanimation in a different reality).  Altered mental states ... do exist, but they aren't objective, because they are inside, not outside.
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Offline SGOS

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2016, 07:06:31 AM »
some people say it felt so real they believe science is incorrect in saying that it is only a faulty brain?

An oxygen deprived brain is faulty.  Why take the word of someone with a faulty brain over that of the scientific explanation?

The greater question here is not about what a person experiences when his brain is about to die from lack of oxygen.  Rather it is about the psycho/social dynamic that draws people to make wild assertions about things beyond the reach of their knowledge base.

First people are drawn to mystical thinking. It doesn't have to be wrapped around Christianity.  Even people in the west are mesmerized by eastern religions which they know nothing about accept that Hollywood likes to draw on their appeal.  Did you see Dr. Strange, who get's in touch with personal abilities beyond our imaginations?  The thought from a comic book, is highly appealing, and pulls you in.

Second, people want to believe in Heaven so they search for a confirmation bias to prove that it's real.  Now how do you get to Heaven?  You have to die right?  Someone claims to have come back from the dead, probably egged on by his doctor because everyone gets a thrill from telling people he came back from the dead, and he claims to have seen exactly what you want dead people to see.  Dying and Heaven are already wrapped together, so people gravitate to tales of oxygen deprived brains that died and went to Heaven, and then came back.  The only way to get to Heaven is to have a death experience.  The problem is that by definition, a near death experience is not a death experience.  But you say, "Well, the person was kinda dead!"  Sorry,  not close enough, because he was never not alive.

Third, humans are gullible by nature.  Humans are drawn to all sorts of things they have no way of verifying as true, they buy diet pills, vote for Donald Trump, by useless products all because someone lied to them, and convinced them of a reality that doesn't exist.

Offline SGOS

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2016, 07:08:36 AM »
Is Fifa a sock puppet?

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2016, 09:50:28 AM »
As I've said.  Lack of oxygen does funny things to a persons brain.
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We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real
tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. -Plato

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2016, 09:56:36 AM »
Is Fifa a sock puppet?
No--it's a soccer federation--a corrupt one as it turns out. :)
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline SGOS

Re: Would you say that NDEs could be a snapshot of afterlife based on this?
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2016, 12:38:46 PM »
No--it's a soccer federation--a corrupt one as it turns out. :)

Holy Shit!  It is.  I just googled it.