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Started by Baruch, December 02, 2016, 11:23:43 PM

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chill98

Quote from: GSOgymrat on December 06, 2016, 01:28:08 AM
I'm happy to post an original thought by addressing why I post articles, videos and other things that I find interesting.

A good example of the way I approach forums is ...

So I posted the question. I wasn’t trying to be challenging, I sincerely wanted to know the thought process. The OP responded with information from Google search explaining the reasoning. That was perfect! That was what I wanted to know. I have no interest in changing his mind, arguing that he is wrong or pursuing the topic further.

Chill98 you and I seem to come to the forum for different reasons. You clearly enjoy debate and convincing people you are in the right. I’m just sharing information and if people like it great, if not they can ignore it or post why they disagree hopefully with a link to a great article.

Once again you post a wonderful walk around things not asked of you in this particular thread.  Again, I am sure that answers someone - somewheres question but it does not answer what I asked of you. 

You didnt ask any questions.  And I quote "Here is another consequence of misinformation. This isn't The Onion."

Your intention seemed to be supportive of the idea of censorship, at least  supportive of 'big brother' deciding what should be pondered and what is off limits.  Not only that, you attribute this (via your article link) to

Alt-right 

Nope.  It was wikileaks emails from podesta that began a BUNCH of diverse people to ponder these things on Twitter and reddit and 4chan and youtube. 

And you ignored my response to you.  Choosing instead to post an opinion article with your (oh so brave) commentary:

"This applies to Left and Right."
Title:
Pizzagate is a lie. But what it says about our society is real

An opinion piece.  Not one link to an actual source investigated by the author regarding the pizzagate topic you promote as "applies to Left and Right".

Link 1. Not pizzagate http://truepundit.com/breaking-bombshell-nypd-blows-whistle-on-new-hillary-emails-money-laundering-sex-crimes-with-children-child-exploitation-pay-to-play-perjury/

Pizzagate is derived ONLY from wikileaks emails.  To this day, I do not believe the weiner laptop emails have been released via wikileaks. 

Link 2 - link to gun toting kook story.

Link 3 (associated quote) They do not really believe that there is a child trafficking ring being run underneath a pizza shop in Washington DC in which [link]Hillary Clinton [end link] takes part.

Here is link 3:  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/hillary-clinton

Please show me the authors link to child trafficking ring under pizza shop being discussed by the alt-right (or anyone in society). 

Link 4 and 5 (associated quote) They don’t really believe in Pizzagate just like they do not believe that Hillary Clinton had an FBI agent killed for supposedly [link 4] leaking her emails [end link], or that three million people “[link 5]illegally voted”[ end link] for Clinton in this election.

Link 4 - unsupported
Link 5 - unsupported NOTE it links to a Trump piece and does not reflect society

And if They don't really believe ... is society they? Then there is no issue right?  Or is this 'they' someone else?  Because society didn't burst into comet pizza, one guy did.  Even with 250K views on just one pizzagate video.

And I wont bother going further.  Point is You did not investigate your sources because they fit into your bias.

And no, people dont want to change their minds about various topics.  The problem being discussed in this thread is about Who gets to decide what I/they get to talk about.

And when I first heard of the purge of pizzagate related topics in reddit, twitter, etc, I thought, great for ONE reason only.  This public discourse would destroy any potential for real investigators working on any leads - as far as I know, NYPD is still investigating Weiner.

But that isn't your point in all of this is it?  It can't be your point because, as I said before, you have No Idea what is/was being discussed, relying on 3rd party sources for your decision making.

You are no better than what you complain about, at least in this particular episode of GSO says someone else says/somewhere else GSO said to someone else on an unrelated topic ....

chill98

Quote from: Hydra009 on December 06, 2016, 01:49:37 AM
So what?  John Wilkes Booth was an actor.  Nothing about pursuing a career in acting makes one immune to being a nutcase.  Just ask Mel Gibson.

Are you saying Wilkes Booth or Gibson are involved in Pizzagate?

Quote from: Hydra009 on December 06, 2016, 01:49:37 AM
That's one hell of a low standard for making that sort of call.  And that sort of sloppy thinking (jumping to conclusions in particular) is exactly what started this pizzagate mess in the first place.  Also, you seem very eager to believe whatever absolves the Right and incriminates the Left, regardless of whether or not that conclusion is warranted.
Well I'll be damned.

That was supposed to be a ? not a . at the end of that part.  It was past my bedtime... 

Here.  This is what I meant to say/ask:

False flag to encourage censorship?

HOWEVER ironic as it is:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808473/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_2

Title:  Something about Pizza (short - 2005)
cast:     Edgar Maddison Welch   ...   The Gunman

Baruch

The liberals would be happy if their favorite politicos had kinky sex with pasta roadkill, which is not yet stale (underage), and do it in broad daylight, in public ;-)  Pizza has no particular gender, so LBGT folks will approve ;-)  They just want to show that they are so open minded, their brains have fallen out ;-))

The conservatives on the other hand, would put anchovies on all the pizzas, and make that not only the only choice, but make you eat an anchovies pizza at least once a week, so prove that you are both loyal to the Dark State, and manly enough to not puke it all up ;-0

Some people think they can outlaw the delusion and madness of crowds, but without that, there would be no elections!
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Don't do that.

FaithIsFilth

A guy shoots the lock off a door or whatever and harms no one, and now a shit load of supposed liberals are in favour of mass censorship. Fantastic. All is going according to plan.

Cavebear

Quote from: Baruch on December 06, 2016, 07:33:11 AM
Thus the confusion over National Socialism.  Labels are made as weapons.  To put it on an even level ... all people against freedom are my enemy.  That includes communists, socialists, militarists, plutocrats etc.  How to stop humans, when human nature is evil?  If it is human "nature" .. it can't be stopped or educated away.

I do not agree with your assumption that human nature is evil.  That's a religious idea created to require that we all pray to and fear a deity who judges us.  And I disagree with your implied notion that humans can't improve themselves.  We have been doing that for 100s of thousands of years.  One hard step at a time, we have gone from "biggest baddest male" to groups of elders, to written rules, to complete law societies. 
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead!

Baruch

#35
Yes ... good/bad are also labels used as weapons.  If I thought it was good for humans to exterminate their species, then I would say that nuclear war or germ warfare are good.  You are assuming that I oppose evil.  Good/bad is simply I like this, I dislike that.  Has nothing to do with facts, just emotions.  It is not a fact, that it is bad, to kill people ... to take an extreme example.  So I agree, there are no sins.  Protagoras was right, and Moses was wrong.

We might agree on many of the same things as ... good or bad.  But on some things, being two different people, we will never agree, and I am good with that, and I hope you are too.  Tyrants aren't good with that (see any recent politician).  The question is, is it a triviality if I like Mexican food or not, or do we have to face off and try to kill each other over it.  Unfortunately, there are serious things, more serious than what is for supper, where we would do exactly that.  That is why human individual and collective violence, in most cases, arises.
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chill98

Snippet of 'news' article on interview with comet pizza gunman. 

Quote from: article belowWhere did he learn about the fake news involving Comet?

He said it was through word of mouth. After recently having internet service installed at his house, he was “really able to look into it.” He said that substantial evidence from a combination of sources had left him with the “impression something nefarious was happening.” He said one article on the subject led to another and then another.

What was he like?

... He has listened to Alex Jones, whose radio show traffics in conspiracy theories and who once said that Mrs. Clinton “has personally murdered and chopped up” children. “He’s a bit eccentric,” Mr. Welch said. “He touches on some issues that are viable but goes off the deep end on some things.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/us/edgar-welch-comet-pizza-fake-news.html?_r=0

One must keep in mind the interview was approx 45 mins and it takes a minute to read the article.  So theres been some editing it down.  There is a disclaimer at the bottom of the article:

A version of this article appears in print on December 9, 2016, on page A16 of the New York edition with the headline: Comet Ping Pong Gunman on Motive, and Fake News.

But reading the article, we see his sources begin with word of mouth.  A recent internet connection allows him to explore these rumors (unclear if this is his first experience with www or due to lifestyle changes access was lost for a period).  He is unable to clearly point to any one source (news, blog, forum, russians, etc) as the impetus.

But I can attest to the amazing number of attempts to link these emails with scandals from the past and the really wild assed links to the apocalypse/revelations.  And the interview itself reveals this is a Beeleever in xianity.

We have to go to a different paragraph in the 'news' article to find out YES! He has listened to Alex JONES!  Yet he indicates even this disturbed individual recognizes that Alex Jones goes off the deep end.

So in a direct interview with the gun toting kook, they could not directly link this action with any 'news', alt, mainstream, print, www.  No, the motive was knightly, in that the motive was to stop/prevent harm from actuating against minors.

And one cannot exclude the 'real' events that do occur; we have all been exposed to various 'mainstream' reports on human trafficking, sex industry using minors, missing children, pedophiles using the internet, and various negligence of law enforcement agencies in various locations (not saying all law enforcement).

And I think many of us have been exposed to 'censored' news. From my own experience with msm a few years back there was what appeared to be a serial rapist in a large city.  Local news would post descriptions of 'african american' and there was an outcry from that community about racial profiling so the description was altered to not include race... and in a short while, that carried over to all violent crimes where a suspect was at large.  Unless the suspect was white.   There was a large outcry from the public who did not want to fear more than they had to, and I expect an outcry from law enforcement who wanted people to report relevant suspect info and not be forced to look into every spooky looking dude - black, asian, latino... that the amped up public was reporting. 

And finally:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-LhfKKgncg

Germany is an interesting cross-reference.  The goal of preventing another nazi take-over has extrapolated far beyond the reasonable. 

Baruch

Basing law, on countering random irrational nut jobs ... makes a nut case out of the law.  Law must be based on normative psychology, otherwise how can we even decide which behavior to punish?  And yes, that is majoritarianism, but it is a majoritarianism I can live with, it isn't mob rule.
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chill98


Baruch

#39
Not just WaPo, but NYT and Boston Globe have piled on.  Now Sen Lindsey Graham and Sen John McCain want full public hearings (they are both the greatest anti-Russia advocates) on how Putin has used fluoride to destroy our manly juices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2bSL5VQgM

Dr Strangelove  is Henry Kissenger. ;-)

And now it isn't an anonymous source in the CIA, but a secret report, so secret nobody is allowed to look at it!

Meanwhile Obama has sent an additional 200 US servicemen into Syria, an act of war, to assist our rat pack terrorists.

But alas, if the two senators get their way, and this secret report becomes public, then the Russians will know that we know that they know ... you know?

It is increasingly apparent that there is a shadow war between two branches of the Pretorian Guard ... the FBI and the CIA.  The CIA taking down Kennedy, and the FBI taking down Nixon.  But the CIA supports Hillary, and Comey was a useful FBI tool to bring down Hillary.
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Baruch

News from the Dark State ...

A guy developed a Chrome extension, with 20 volunteers, to black-list fake news sites.  WaPo used this to write their defamation article.  NYT et al have joined with WaPo.  Here is the guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sieradski

People have reviewed the open-source code that is this Chrome extension, and there is no AI in it ... it just ties your browser into an arbitrary list of URLs to be considered "bad".  Any URL could be put into this black list, including Atheistforums.

Since rumor is the new truthiness ... my sources say there may be ... maybe connections between this guy and Austrian neo-Nazis, Ukrainian neo-Nazis ... and the Koch brothers.  There have long been rumored connection between the Ukrainian neo-Nazis and the Netanyahu government in Israel.

Meanwhile the Feds have asked Google and Facebook to join them in enforcing a censorship on the Internet.  Google does have a problem with Islamic terrorist uploads, as does Facebook, so this gives them cover.
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Unbeliever

God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Unbeliever

Quote from: Baruch on December 10, 2016, 04:37:30 PMAnd now it isn't an anonymous source in the CIA, but a secret report, so secret nobody is allowed to look at it!


God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Baruch

I think that suborning or threatening the EC members ... or just ignoring the Constitutional requirements, because one's candidate lost ... is poor sportsmanship.  If they continue along this line (or the Rs had done the same in 2008/2012) then the Ds pushing too hard are traitors, just like in 1861 (Lincoln won with less than half of the vote).  If you don't like the EC, then pass a constitutional amendment ... oh yes, the Ds don't have to do that, now or in 1861, because they are special.  The Confederates could have simply gotten a constitutional amendment for orderly out-process from the Union, and then simply left.  The D party today doesn't need the Constitution ... they can just sabotage it or ignore it.  And if the D party gets away with this crap, the R party won't be far behind.  This is why I am an Independent ... so I can keep my supper down.  While I don't agree with what happened in 2000, at least that had the SCOTUS behind it, not an imaginary minority CIA report that nobody can look at ... and no, I don't think the President will share it with the EC members ... ever, let alone by Monday.  If he did, he could be impeached for willful violation of National security.  Only a few members of Congress are qualified to see it (like the real 9/11 report).  And the full report (consensus across more than the CIA) won't be done until just before the inauguration ... way past any EC grandstanding.
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chill98

Quote from: Baruch on December 14, 2016, 06:17:03 AM
News from the Dark State ...

A guy developed a Chrome extension, with 20 volunteers, to black-list fake news sites.  WaPo used this to write their defamation article.  NYT et al have joined with WaPo.  Here is the guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sieradski

People have reviewed the open-source code that is this Chrome extension, and there is no AI in it ... it just ties your browser into an arbitrary list of URLs to be considered "bad".  Any URL could be put into this black list, including Atheistforums.

Since rumor is the new truthiness ... my sources say there may be ... maybe connections between this guy and Austrian neo-Nazis, Ukrainian neo-Nazis ... and the Koch brothers.  There have long been rumored connection between the Ukrainian neo-Nazis and the Netanyahu government in Israel.

Meanwhile the Feds have asked Google and Facebook to join them in enforcing a censorship on the Internet.  Google does have a problem with Islamic terrorist uploads, as does Facebook, so this gives them cover.

Danny boy is probably moonlighting as one of the 'experts' at PropOrNot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4014386/Washington-Post-appends-story-accusing-Russia-spreading-fake-news-saying-does-not-vouch-experts-findings.html