Theist:Why do you think God does not exist what are your reasons?

[Solomon Zorn]

But math might just be a product of human cognition and not actually exist in the physical universe... kinda like God.

I don't have time to watch the video right now, but I would say that math as a descriptive language, is a human product, but the principles it describes are intrinsic.

[Baruch]

Existence goes from the simplest to the more complex.  A deity would be the most complex existence.  Therefore, a deity should only exist at the end of the universe.  Not now.

So says Teilhard DeChardin.

[Baruch]

Mathematical laws begin with 1+1=2. There can be no universe where 1+1=3. These laws are not written by any fucking god. They are inescapable, unchangeable facts that apply to all things. No one and nothing can be outside of them. No one wrote them. And no one ordained the course of the universe.

I was once foolish enough to believe God created the universe, but I was never stupid enough to think he made-up the laws of mathematics.

Galileo taught that G-d was the ultimate mathematician, geometry in particular.  Kepler thought the same, as did Newton ... and they didn't take mathematics as prior to G-d.  In other number systems, XV + IV = XIX.  But you know that is only a notational difference, the abstraction is the same.  Plato got around that, by positing the world of Ideals, that mathematicians had special ability to perceive.

GSOgymrat ... if math only exists in the human mind, and math doesn't exist in the physical universe, then the human mind doesn't exist in the physical universe (as Plato supposed).  Descartes couldn't resolve the mind/matter problem either.

[John Paul]

Evening everyone,

My next case is that the earth is only 6000yrs old, to backup this I have research click on the link to learn more. https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-for-creation/the-10-best-evidences-from-science-that-confirm-a-young-earth/

[Shiranu]

Evening everyone,

My next case is that the earth is only 6000yrs old, to backup this I have research click on the link to learn more. https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-for-creation/the-10-best-evidences-from-science-that-confirm-a-young-earth/

Who toasted the toast?

[John Paul]

I don't know about you but, I toasted my toast today.

[Mr.Obvious]

Would you guys stop talking about toast? I'm trying to lose weight and you lot keep making me hungry!
Darn it, I want toast.

[Mike Cl]

Evening everyone,

My next case is that the earth is only 6000yrs old, to backup this I have research click on the link to learn more. https://answersingenesis.org/evidence-for-creation/the-10-best-evidences-from-science-that-confirm-a-young-earth/

How does one person get to be so gullible?  So stupid?  Willfully ignorant??  Oh----by being a theist..............I see.

[widdershins]

Anything that exists needs a cause...

That is all of the OP I needed to read to give you your answer.  Google "problems with first cause argument".

Aside from the myriad of problems you'll find with the argument there, there is also one very serious problem nobody seems to ever address.  Everything "in the universe" has a cause.  The universe is not "in the universe" and therefore the rules and laws of physics cannot be applied to its creation.  You are trying to apply the laws which govern our physical universe to a time when our physical universe did not exist.  There is no reason to believe that the laws which govern our universe also govern "not our universe", which is what you're talking about when you are talking about a "cause" for our universe.  You're talking about a "cause" in "not our universe".  We have made precisely zero observations in "not our universe", so it is pure speculation that the laws of cause and effect apply.  Worse than that, it's a wild, unfounded assumption that the laws which govern our physical universe govern everything, everywhere, even outside of our universe.  But if you apply those laws universally even outside of our universe it makes your god impossible as matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, so "creation" becomes impossible.

[John Paul]

Would you guys stop talking about toast? I'm trying to lose weight and you lot keep making me hungry!
Darn it, I want toast.

Sorry I didn't know.

[John Paul]

How does one person get to be so gullible?  So stupid?  Willfully ignorant??  Oh----by being a theist..............I see.

| know you know that you've seen the theistic sides before and I am not new to you, neither is a person like you new to me.
The lust of flesh and pride blinds many, that is why they watch pornography or desire self will and what keeps them from accepting God, evidence isn't the problem. Quite with porn and you will open your eyes and realize that science is really on our side, but porn and other passions keeps you locked up from coming to the truth, unless you will to change your life, you don't have to let me know that. You might say that most people are with the secular view and follow it, but I warn you with meekness and gentleness that for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! Matthew 7:13-14 God Doesn’t Believe in Atheists, The Bible teaches that atheists are not really atheists. That is, those who profess to be atheists do ultimately believe in God in their heart-of-hearts.  In fact, the Bible tells us that God’s existence is so obvious that anyone who suppresses this truth is “without excuse” (Romans 1:20). 

So even though many atheists might claim that they are neutral, objective observers, and that their disbelief in God is purely rational, in reality, they are strongly motivated to reject the biblical God who is rightly angry with them. So they suppress that truth in unrighteousness. They convince themselves that they do not believe in God. The atheist is intellectually schizophrenicâ€"believing in God, but believing that he does not believe in God.

[Solomon Zorn]

| know you know that you've seen the theistic sides before and I am not new to you, neither is a person like you new to me.

Oh I've not only seen “the theistic side,” I've been totally immersed in it, and paid a lot of good money for my Bible College education, and I can say, with certainty, that “neither is a person like you new to me.”

The lust of flesh and pride blinds many, that is why they watch pornography or desire self will and what keeps them from accepting God,

No it isn't. It's what keeps you from accepting them. Your thinking is fucked-up with dogmas about sex, because you have been indoctrinated, into a cult, of superstitious fears about touching the penis, or the vagina, even when it's your own.

evidence isn't the problem.

Then PRESENT SOME!

Quite with porn and you will open your eyes and realize that science is really on our side, but porn and other passions keeps you locked up from coming to the truth, unless you will to change your life, you don't have to let me know that.

Science is on YOUR SIDE? You are getting your “science” from an illegitimate source(Probably “Answers in Genesis”).

You might say that most people are with the secular view and follow it, but I warn you with meekness and gentleness...

MEEKNESS AND GENTLENESS? Oh for fucks sake! Read what you just wrote, you fucking hypocrite!

...that for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!Matthew 7:13-14

I'll drink my beer, smoke my weed, stroke my cock, and end up in the same place as you: NOWHERE. Only I will have had some great living along the way.

God Doesn’t Believe in Atheists...

Now THAT is FUNNY!

...The Bible teaches that atheists are not really atheists. That is, those who profess to be atheists do ultimately believe in God in their heart-of-hearts.  In fact, the Bible tells us that God’s existence is so obvious that anyone who suppresses this truth is “without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

Experience teaches, that Christians are not really Christians. That is, those who profess to be Christians, ultimately know that God does not exist. In fact, his absence is so obvious, that anyone who suppresses this truth is a dangerous delusional dick.

So even though many atheists might claim that they are neutral, objective observers, and that their disbelief in God is purely rational, in reality, they are strongly motivated to reject the biblical God who is rightly angry with them. So they suppress that truth in unrighteousness. They convince themselves that they do not believe in God. The atheist is intellectually schizophrenicâ€"believing in God, but believing that he does not believe in God.

Looking for pure motives here? Perhaps you should examine the beam in your own eye, little Christian.

[Mike Cl]

| know you know that you've seen the theistic sides before and I am not new to you, neither is a person like you new to me.
The lust of flesh and pride blinds many, that is why they watch pornography or desire self will and what keeps them from accepting God, evidence isn't the problem. Quite with porn and you will open your eyes and realize that science is really on our side, but porn and other passions keeps you locked up from coming to the truth, unless you will to change your life, you don't have to let me know that. You might say that most people are with the secular view and follow it, but I warn you with meekness and gentleness that for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! Matthew 7:13-14 God Doesn’t Believe in Atheists, The Bible teaches that atheists are not really atheists. That is, those who profess to be atheists do ultimately believe in God in their heart-of-hearts.  In fact, the Bible tells us that God’s existence is so obvious that anyone who suppresses this truth is “without excuse” (Romans 1:20). 

So even though many atheists might claim that they are neutral, objective observers, and that their disbelief in God is purely rational, in reality, they are strongly motivated to reject the biblical God who is rightly angry with them. So they suppress that truth in unrighteousness. They convince themselves that they do not believe in God. The atheist is intellectually schizophrenicâ€"believing in God, but believing that he does not believe in God.

Well, the poster child of willful ignorance chooses to address me.  I'm flattered...not.  You are correct, you are not new to me; the willfully ignorant are legion and so very proud of their ignorance. 

"Quite with the porn....."?????  What????  Oh, I think you mean 'quit'.  He, he.................one of the first things you tell me is to quit porn--I really did not know I had a problem with it.  But, you, on the other had, must  be riddled with guilt because of your 'addiction'.  It is simply a fact that the more a portion of our country is admittedly christian, the more they subscribe to porn.  Is that your problem, John?  Is your hand hairy from masturbation;  are you going blind from it???  My, my, that must be a huge problem for you............for some reason.  Anyway, I hope you seek help with that issue.  It is not an issue for me. 

You say--"In fact, the Bible tells us that God’s existence is so obvious that anyone who suppresses this truth is “without excuse” (Romans 1:20). "  Of course the bible tells you that.  Your babble tells you that because it was created by man to be used as a tool for keeping the willfully ignorant compliant.  And it works.  Your babble did not just drop to the earth total and complete;  you do know that, don't you???  Have you considered doing a little research on when and where it came into being?   Have you ever considered why there are literally hundreds of different bibles? 

I don't have a 'disbelief' in your god.  That would mean I think god exists and I simply don't want to accept that as a fact; that I'm in rebellion against a real entity.  No.  I don't think your god ever existed; he is a fiction.  It would be like me saying I don't believe in Santa or the Tooth Fairy.  They are fictions.  I have never thought there was a god; I have seen not one shred of evidence to show me there is a god.  So, what your fiction says about me is of no consequence.  It would be like me worrying what Bugs Bunny had to say about me.  He can't say or think anything--they are fictions--except what you say they say.  I don't give a whit what you think or feel.  You have created your own personal hell; and that is the right and proper place for you to dwell. 

[Hydra009]

The lust of flesh and pride blinds many, that is why they watch pornography or desire self will and what keeps them from accepting God, evidence isn't the problem.

Darn, I lost my place in heaven because of my sinful sex drive.  By the way, who came up with that "lust of flesh" stuff in the first place?

Quite with porn

Well, some of it is quite good.

and you will open your eyes and realize that science is really on our side, but porn and other passions keeps you locked up from coming to the truth, unless you will to change your life, you don't have to let me know that.

"Drink my koolaid and then you'll see!"  Umm, no thanks.  I'm good.

You might say that most people are with the secular view and follow it, but I warn you with meekness and gentleness that for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction

Sheesh, I'd hate to see a non-gentle threat of eternal torment.  That sounds like the sort of thing a good person wouldn't have to resort to.

How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! Matthew 7:13-14 God Doesn’t Believe in Atheists, The Bible teaches that atheists are not really atheists. That is, those who profess to be atheists do ultimately believe in God in their heart-of-hearts.  In fact, the Bible tells us that God’s existence is so obvious that anyone who suppresses this truth is “without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

Did you know the one book that atheists take very seriously is the Bible?  Yep, it's true.  All you gotta do is thump it real hard and bam, easy conversions on the spot.  Tell your friends.

So even though many atheists might claim that they are neutral, objective observers, and that their disbelief in God is purely rational, in reality, they are strongly motivated to reject the biblical God who is rightly angry with them.

Then it's a fortunate thing for Christians that God is willing and able to put all this disbelief to rest by demonstrating his existence unequivocally to everyone right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XGQ6ZXxf8

"Nothing yet, you?"
"A little thirsty."

[John Paul]

Excuse me for my misspelling as I am from Asia and I am not very familiar with English, If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves whom you will serve  either yourself or the Lord your God. You are still not accepting God because you are continuing to suppress the truth in unrighteousness, Romans 1:18 also you are spinning my points around, very clever, but remember you will not have the  opportunity to argue in front of God, but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. I have already proven you that God exists on page one. But your heart tells you deep down that God exists, God is existence itself.

So while the you made a compelling argument about religion, it is an argument derived from your intellect. Without illumination from the Holy Spirit, you cannot understand the things of God and can only see the world through your intellect (1 Corinthians 1:18, 23, 2:14). Used to seeing religion as a system of “dos and don’ts” (I.e. control by the religious elites), it is hard for you to understand Christianity as a relationship with God.

So while I can counter your arguments, it may not necessarily convince you. your argument and your atheism merely offers me an opening to share the Gospel. If my aim is to convert you, I still need to preach the Gospel to you. Often, this includes the possibility of offending you since people are naturally hostile to the Gospel (Romans 8:7). True Gospel is Christ centered and not man centered. There is really no such thing as “seeker sensitive” as some churches are deep into these days.

Paul in Acts 17:16-34 serves as a good model for us. He used the “unknown god” as an opening to start a conversation with the Greeks. But once he started, he went straight to the Gospel. No time is spent debating to satisfy the listeners’ curiosity despite their inclinations (verse 21). Yet, while some mocked (verse 32), some were converted after hearing Paul (verse 34).

Ultimately, there is nothing inherently different between an atheist or a non- Christian with religious beliefs. We theists can definitely address your concerns and arguments but only the Holy Spirit can save (John 15:26, 16:8, 13-15). God always get the glory. We are only His instrument for evangelism. If you reject what I say, you are not rejecting me or the strength of my counter argument. Rather you are rejecting the One who sends me.

God bless.