First they came for Cyprus ...

Started by Baruch, November 25, 2016, 07:15:47 PM

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Sylar

Quote from: reasonist on December 08, 2016, 11:58:11 AM
But the Arabs have a legitimate 'beef' as well.

http://www.timemaps.com/history-of-ancient-palestine

Would be wonderful if they could all co-exist in peace but religion has this uncanny ability to divide...

Apologies for late response.

"Palestine" is a region, not an ethnicity and certainly not a nationality. Palestinian nationalism developed at end of 1967 -- prior to that they were Syrian Arabs and Jordanian Arabs. Prior to 1948, Jews were also "Palestinians" because they lived in an area then-called Palestine. The ancient Philistines are not the same as modern "Palestinians", though the name Palestine is derived from the Philistines. Romans renamed the area after the Philistines in an effort to rid the world and history of any record of Jewish self-determination, as punishment to the Jews for rebelling.

Israel's demands to sign peace are clear, imo. Israel will not withdraw from WB and will not stop settlements until a peace treaty is signed, because they cannot risk another Gaza on the eastern borders. The "land for peace" formula has always been on the table for Israel, so using continued settlement as an excuse not to sign peace is a crystal clear example that Palestinians are uninterested in peace. I suppose when in public you claim to support two-state solution but in private teach your children that all of Israel is "Palestine", then it's not farfetched that peace would be the last thing on your mind.
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Sylar

Quote from: Baruch on December 08, 2016, 12:40:07 PM
Sylar ... ever hear of collectivist factories and offices?  They existed in the former Yugoslavia.  High tech doesn't mean farming only.  The Likud party deliberately destroyed socialism in Israel, just as their equivalent are destroying socialism in W Europe right now.

Considering Yugoslavia is no more a state, I wouldn't say they're the best example of what economic model to follow ;).

Even as Israel embraces capitalism, it still shifts to socialism or socialist practices at times. The incumbent Likud government has interfered in economy, creating massive regulation, for example.

There's hardly a model pure socialist democracy to follow in the world.
"To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all." --Oscar Wilde

Baruch

Quote from: Sylar on January 10, 2017, 06:11:21 PM
Considering Yugoslavia is no more a state, I wouldn't say they're the best example of what economic model to follow ;).

Even as Israel embraces capitalism, it still shifts to socialism or socialist practices at times. The incumbent Likud government has interfered in economy, creating massive regulation, for example.

There's hardly a model pure socialist democracy to follow in the world.

Socialist democracy is self contradiction.  So is Capitalist charity.  Anarchists would have no government, but then people being people ... it is everyone for themselves and against everyone else.  Statists are Procrusteans, like R-D kabuki theater .. they stretch the voters if they are too short, and cut off their legs if they are too tall.
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fencerider

I suppose it wouldn't be a good idea to look too closely at our own money system. Its not very healthy either.

i dont remember the original quote but Baruch's quote is simular enough to bring it to mind.... I'm not seeing the connection between the money problem's of India and the OP. maybe you are refering to a different quote. The quote I am thinking of follows this form:

The government came for the French to take them away. They asked for help but I was not French so I did nothing. Then the government came to take away the Britts, but I was nor a Britt so I just watched and did nothing. Then the government came for the Spanish to take them away, but I was not Spanish so again I did nothing. And finally the government came for me. When I called for help there were none left to help me because they had sll been taken away
"Do you believe in god?", is not a proper English sentence. Unless you believe that, "Do you believe in apple?", is a proper English sentence.

Baruch

Right on both counts ... nobody wants to understand money, or proctology.  And the original quote was about being overly tolerant of Nazis until it was too late.  Cyprus business was about capital controls, and they continue to proliferate, particularly in India.  It is now said by some, that the India business originated in the US, that Modi is doing it to incorporate India into the US currency orbit (India has lots of gold, so the rupee could be independent of anyone).  In particular, Nato is afraid that India will fall into the China-Russia silk road orbit.
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Táadoo ánít’iní.
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fencerider

so what would happen to all of the indian people living in the U.S.? would they be considered a threat? or does their presence here keep India from completely going down the silk road?
"Do you believe in god?", is not a proper English sentence. Unless you believe that, "Do you believe in apple?", is a proper English sentence.

Baruch

Quote from: fencerider on January 20, 2017, 01:50:15 AM
so what would happen to all of the indian people living in the U.S.? would they be considered a threat? or does their presence here keep India from completely going down the silk road?

We expelled a lot of Iranian students in 1979 ... we could do it again with H1B visa holders ;-)  Personally I like immigrants and Indians, more so over here than back in their home country ... would rather they work for us than for their own country.  Reform of H1B, like The Wall .. will be a lot of kabuki.  Bring you Japanese dictionary.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.