Author Topic: I Marvel...  (Read 3138 times)

Offline Munch

Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2016, 12:06:53 PM »
Books, comic books, movies, tv shows and games are all their own media and all can be both well thought out peices of art of complete crap. I have found many great works in all these formats, so would never dismiss them since i want to always look for the next good book, comic, game, movie or tv show.

That said, everyone has their own interests and which doesn't extend to others. I for example don't really like sports of any kind, and you could take to me about whatever football game or rugby game you watched, with a passion, but it wouldn't mean anything to me. I just sometimes enjoy the idea of someone enjoying something even if its something I have no interest in.

Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2016, 12:33:21 PM »
I remember that "Mars Attacks" was based on bubble gum cards. ;)
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Offline Munch

Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2016, 02:14:06 PM »
Well, sometimes when they try to make something out of something prior, it doesn't go so well. garbage pale kids was a fun, gross kids card game, before they tried to make a movie of it.

Offline Solomon Zorn (OP)

Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2016, 07:05:53 AM »
What keeps me from buying comics, is a combination of things:

1. Too expensive
2. Inferior artwork (used to be better)
3. Inferior storytelling (too much recap of what has gone before)
4. Serial format (it takes too long to tell a short story)

I've moved on to the movies. The Marvel Studios movies, specifically. Starting with Ang Lee's Hulk, then the Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Ant-Man, Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy movies, and their sequels. I have a lot of enthusiasm, for the internally consistent universe, that they are trying to build on-screen. It's a fresh and modern take on the Marvel heroes, that really seems to resonate well, not only with Marvel fans, but with the uninitiated as well.
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Offline Solomon Zorn (OP)

Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2016, 07:18:40 AM »
As for the Fox/Marvel universe, I'm excited about Legion(Charles Xaviers son, David Haller), coming soon to FX.

One thing that bugs me, with Fox's choices for the X-Men, is that they have chosen to go with the younger actor for Professor X. Patrick Stewart was born to play the part of Charles Xavier, and I really miss him.
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Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2016, 10:03:09 AM »
1. Too expensive
That can vary.  If you're buying trades every month for $4 or $5, I feel your pain.  But a lot of places have them cheaper.  Humble bundle frequently has cheap comics, as do other online retailers.  We're talking a couple bucks or less per comic.

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2. Inferior artwork (used to be better)
Somewhat agree.  Again, it varies.  Some old stuff is fantastic, some old stuff is horrid, some new stuff is fantastic, some new stuff is horrid.





All in all, I'd argue that it has gotten somewhat better, though there are modern conventions that bug me - like anime conventions creeping in and a tendency to draw characters with extremely low detail.



Though I'd prefer that compared to my old 90s Liefeld comics any day.



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3. Inferior storytelling (too much recap of what has gone before)
Generally agreed.  There have been some interesting new storylines (particularly from non-DC/Marvel comics companies), but there's an awful lot of crap, too.  I think part of the problem is basically everything's been done before.  Marvel in particular has a very pronounced "simpsons did it" streak.  But every now and then, there's something exciting.

For example, I really liked the Guardians of the Galaxy comics (the 2008-2009 ones).  It's been done before, not even the name is original.  But for a while, they really pulled it off.

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4. Serial format (it takes too long to tell a short story)
I love the serial format.  That's part of the reason I prefer comics/books/tv shows to movies.  There's more time to get the audience attached to a character and his/her conflict.  Though I do dislike getting drip-fed a story in 20-30 page chunks, so I'll often wait until there's a backlog then plow through them in short order.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2016, 07:15:54 AM »
I loved Marvel Comics.  I recall when it was pointed out that Marvel Comics were read by college students and DC comics were read by high schoolers. 
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Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2016, 08:12:02 AM »
A few years back a friend of mine from high school told me he was gay. Only took fifty years for him to come out, evidently. But relevant to the topic he said that comic books were the closest thing to gay porn to be had back then.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Cavebear

Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2016, 08:16:47 AM »
A few years back a friend of mine from high school told me he was gay. Only took fifty years for him to come out, evidently. But relevant to the topic he said that comic books were the closest thing to gay porn to be had back then.

That makes sense...  Strong muscular male figures can be both role models and objects of desire.
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Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2016, 08:37:28 AM »
That makes sense...  Strong muscular male figures can be both role models and objects of desire.
Yeah, we had a good chuckle about that, the anti-gay attitudes in the '60s evidently didn't extend as far as "children's literature".
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Cavebear

Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2016, 08:40:08 AM »
Yeah, we had a good chuckle about that, the anti-gay attitudes in the '60s evidently didn't extend as far as "children's literature".

Ah, The Comics Code...
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Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2016, 08:45:06 AM »
Ah, The Comics Code...
And the Hays Code for movies. My GF and I decided to see if "it" could be done with one foot on the floor. Turned out not to be a problem.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Cavebear

Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2016, 09:52:55 AM »
And the Hays Code for movies. My GF and I decided to see if "it" could be done with one foot on the floor. Turned out not to be a problem.

Who's foot?  Or did you mean one of each of you?  Inquiring minds want to know.  But little is truly new...

"There once was a woman from Norway,
Who hung by her heels on a doorway.
She called to her man,
Who called himself Dan,
Come here, I've discovered one more way"

Forgive me, I have an astounding memory for truly odd stuff...
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Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2016, 10:51:44 AM »
I had both feet on the floor at the start. We lost track of what we were trying to accomplish a bit later.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline Cavebear

Re: I Marvel...
« Reply #44 on: December 02, 2016, 12:28:02 PM »
I had both feet on the floor at the start. We lost track of what we were trying to accomplish a bit later.

Having both feet on the floor is generally the definition of solid logic...  (*coff, coff*)
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