Donald Trump Is Not a Threat to LGBT Rights

[Hydra009]

Has anyone mentioned yet that the president-elect vowed to overturn the Supreme Court decision that allowed gays to marry nationwide?  Unless I'm living in bizarro world, vowing to strip legal rights from gays (very hard-fought rights, I might add) is a pretty strong indicator of being against gay rights.

[GSOgymrat]

Has anyone mentioned yet that the president-elect vowed to overturn the Supreme Court decision that allowed gays to marry nationwide?  Unless I'm living in bizarro world, vowing to strip legal rights from gays (very hard-fought rights, I might add) is a pretty strong indicator of being against gay rights.

I still sense Trump's stance on LGBT issues is based on expedience and could be swayed by popular opinion. Pence's stance appears to be based on his moral convictions as a Christian and less amenable to persuasion.

[drunkenshoe]

Unfortunately, the danger for LGBTQ people right now is more immediate than the safety of equality of marriage.

A very big group of republicans who voted for Trump doesn't really care about the legal rights of LGBTQ people; they don't even think they should have legal rights. LGBTQ issues are a general category the Republican culture is against in principle and this is not going to change, because a fickle, slimy salesman like Trump made a positive speech BEFORE he sat in the chair.

People don't work that way. People who are likely to abuse and commit hate crimes will feel more free and entitled to it just because there is a republican president.

There are things Trump can do though. He should make sound speeches to take attention to hate crimes of any sort and strongly put an emphasis to 'the whole America, all Americans; LGBTQ and other groups are Americans' trying to neutralise that ready sense of destructive entitlement. This would help a lot. (He should do this about Muslims, Hispanics and any other groups.)

But...if he goes and makes a U turn which he did about a lot of things, including LGBTQ people, than it would be bad EVEN if he didn't try to abolish legality of marriage equality. What is on paper doesn't make much difference in that case.


Muslims have a saying: If the imam farts, the community shits. The tendency in the streets are really now about Trump's attitude. Her should call for unity for all groups, until his throat explodes. This will benefit him and everyone too.

[drunkenshoe]

Has anyone mentioned yet that the president-elect vowed to overturn the Supreme Court decision that allowed gays to marry nationwide?  Unless I'm living in bizarro world, vowing to strip legal rights from gays (very hard-fought rights, I might add) is a pretty strong indicator of being against gay rights.

He kept making U turns. Actually, there was an article on that comparing all his statements on the issue.

On the other hand, how is this still an issue in the country, I don't even get that. Actually, that tells a lot more than what politician thinks on it.

[Munch]

It takes two words to refute that concept; Mike Pence.


Edit: Wow, her argument is that fighting ISIS means he isn't a threat to gay rights. Brilliant.

I got two more, Ben Carson.

[Baruch]

This is why I reject Identity Politics ... atomizing the electorate into special interest groups, and trying to place a different minority in charge of the majority because of magic pixie dust ... to PC quote Lincoln ..

A government of the left-handed Polish American bisexuals ... by the left-handed Polish American bisexuals ... for the left-handed Polish American bisexuals ... and left-handed Polish American bisexuals ... swallow this cadswallop hook line and sinker.

[Cavebear]

ll politics is "identity politics".  Just depends on how large you consider your identity.

[Baruch]

ll politics is "identity politics".  Just depends on how large you consider your identity.

You are in the Matrix, you only vote for fellow bears.  But the intent is to separate the Brown bears from the Grizzlies.

[Hydra009]

I still sense Trump's stance on LGBT issues is based on expedience and could be swayed by popular opinion.

Possibly.  Though historically, I'm sure a lot of people learned the hard way that their leader did intend on carrying out extreme positions that he proposed prior to taking office.  Imo the safest assumption is to take him at his word and be pleasantly surprised should he waffle on it rather than to assume he's not serious and get one hell of a rude awakening.

[Baruch]

Many evil people/organizations try to co-opt every new administration ... it works for Rs as much as for Ds.  There are trillions of dollars at stake, and for some, control of the planet.  This doesn't attract Harvey Milktoast like characters.  Just last week, about 1 trillion dollars in investments changed hands already, because of the election ... some lost money, others made money.  If you aren't making money off of all of this, you aren't in the Elite.

If that triggers someone, then get your snowflake self out of the kitchen, and your failure self out of your parent's basement.  Liberals failed in an election ... they can blame everyone except themselves.  The Conservatives failed similarly in 2008.  Did they blame everyone except themselves? ... i think they did.  The RNC was as flaccid as an old man without viagra.  The result is Trump.  When the Liberals fail to self-examine ... what kind of horror will they nominate in 2020 or 2024?

[Hydra009]

One last thing to point out:  the Log Cabin Republicans did not endorse Trump even though they endorsed McCain and Romney.

McCain supported Arizona's and California's constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage (the Arizona one failed btw).  Romney supported a federal constitutional ban on gay marriage and vowed to nominate Supreme Court justices who "reject the idea our Founding Fathers inserted a right to gay marriage into our Constitution."

So what makes Trump so singularly awful that he can't clear even the astonishingly low bar that the Log Cabin Republicans hold Republicans to?

"As Mr. Trump spoke positively about the LGBT community in the United States, he concurrently surrounded himself with senior advisors with a record of opposing LGBT equality and committed himself to supporting legislation such as the so-called ‘First Amendment Defense Act’ that Log Cabin Republicans opposes.”

[Baruch]

Lag Cabin Republicans?  Like in the new Stepford Wives movie, where the gay man isn't turned into a fembot, but a Republican?

Gay Republicans are quislings.  All gays should be Democrats and all Democrats should be gay ;-)  Identity politics, works every time!

[GSOgymrat]

Possibly.  Though historically, I'm sure a lot of people learned the hard way that their leader did intend on carrying out extreme positions that he proposed prior to taking office.  Imo the safest assumption is to take him at his word and be pleasantly surprised should he waffle on it rather than to assume he's not serious and get one hell of a rude awakening.

I fully expect same-sex marriage to be overturned and religious liberty laws to be passed. I'm not sure whether gays will be barred from military service again. I don't think Trump will really push for these changes but his followers and advisors will.

PS-  I just saw this online today. I can't guarantee it's veracity.

[Shiranu]

I fully expect same-sex marriage to be overturned and religious liberty laws to be passed. I'm not sure whether gays will be barred from military service again. I don't think Trump will really push for these changes but his followers and advisors will.

PS-  I just saw this online today. I can't guarantee it's veracity.

Just got done watching that interview. It was old-school, left-leaning Trump speaking and very encouraging. Dare I say it... he was actually likeable in it. If only we could figure out a way to get him stuck in that mindset.

[Blackleaf]

I fully expect same-sex marriage to be overturned and religious liberty laws to be passed. I'm not sure whether gays will be barred from military service again. I don't think Trump will really push for these changes but his followers and advisors will.

PS-  I just saw this online today. I can't guarantee it's veracity.

This gives me hope that he may not be as bad a President as I thought he would be. I'm more afraid of the other Republicans right now, who have near full power of the government until at least the midterm elections.