Who Really Won Last Night?

[Shiranu]

Sure, Trump won... but he is not the only one celebrating the historic event. Here are some other Americans who felt they won big last night...

The list is getting too long, so I will just leave this link here.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-supporters-neo-nazis-white-nationalists-kkk-militias-racism-hate


The KKK...

In her own words: "White people are realizing they are becoming strangers in their own country and they do not have a major political voice speaking for them," Pendergraft wrote in an email responding to questions for this article. "Trump is one example of the alternative-right candidate Knights Party members and supporters have been looking for."

Neo-Nazis...



http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/8/13565566/neo-nazis-explain-support-donald-trump

Endorsement: "We have a wonderful OPPORTUNITY here folks, that may never come again, at the RIGHT time," Suhayda wrote to Nazi party members in September 2015. "Donald Trump's campaign statements, if nothing else, have SHOWN that 'our views' are NOT so 'unpopular' as the Political Correctness crowd have told everyone they are!"

Endorsement: "Only Trump can turn back the brown tide, and thinking Whites know this," stated a VNN post in February 2016. "Is Trump the ideal man? Nope, but he'll do until the ideal man gets here." VNN has also described Trump as "the Last Hope for Whites Before America Turns Brown and Non-Western."

"ALL that dance to the tune of the jew [sic] should and will be exterminated with the jew!" Kreis once wrote on the Aryan Nations website. 

Anti-Islamists...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-supporters-neo-nazis-white-nationalists-kkk-militias-racism-hate

Jon Ritzheimer






Anti-Islam activist, awaiting sentencing on a federal felony charge related to involvement in the Oregon occupation   
Endorsement: Last December, Ritzheimer showed up with a bullhorn at a Trump rally in Arizona, where he expressed strong support for the candidate's proposal "to stop Islamic immigration for a while." He also referred to anti-Trump protesters as "Muslims" and thanked them "for not blowing us up."
In his own words: Ritzheimer said in an online video (since removed), "Just know that we three percent, we militiamen, are standing at the ready across our nation. And when you strike, we will strike back. We will level and demolish every mosque across this country."

This is what 5/6th of America thinks is okay.

[Baruch]

So you want a recount on all the successful MJ law changes too?  Sour grapes, and not willing to play with the big boys.

[TomFoolery]

I'm just gonna leave this here. I'm so thankful for Alexander Hamilton for this historical irony from Federalist No. 68, even if it took 228 years to prove him wholly wrong:

The process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue, and the little arts of popularity, may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single State; but it will require other talents, and a different kind of merit, to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole Union, or of so considerable a portion of it as would be necessary to make him a successful candidate for the distinguished office of President of the United States.

https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/The+Federalist+Papers#TheFederalistPapers-68

[SGOS]

Trump won.  I'm certain of that.  Others may feel victory.  Some may actually achieve an advantage, but I doubt the rewards of winning will be much greater than just a sense of validation.  The political structure in the US is a well guarded enterprise, and no politician is going to change the basic structure.  No president does.  And I doubt that Trump is an exception.

[Baruch]

If the plurality of the vote holds up for Hillary ... then we can draw a different conclusion.  And it isn't so much the Electoral College itself, as it is the gerrymandering of small precincts that keep giving excess power to the Republicans ... in Congressional Elections.  I would say that the Electoral College structure doesn't create that, but that it magnifies that.

It may be of scant solace, but a non-plurailty win for Trump, plus a weak Republican control of the Senate and House ... means they don't have much of a mandate to do anything.

[drunkenshoe]

Trump won.  I'm certain of that.  Others may feel victory.  Some may actually achieve an advantage, but I doubt the rewards of winning will be much greater than just a sense of validation.  The political structure in the US is a well guarded enterprise, and no politician is going to change the basic structure.  No president does.  And I doubt that Trump is an exception.

This.

[Unbeliever]

The only people who ever win these "elections" are the billionaires. They, and they alone, decide who will occupy the Oval Office.

[Mike Cl]

Trump won.  I'm certain of that.  Others may feel victory.  Some may actually achieve an advantage, but I doubt the rewards of winning will be much greater than just a sense of validation.  The political structure in the US is a well guarded enterprise, and no politician is going to change the basic structure.  No president does.  And I doubt that Trump is an exception.

I hope you are correct.  That is just about the only hope I have left.

[Baruch]

The only people who ever win these "elections" are the billionaires. They, and they alone, decide who will occupy the Oval Office.

They should, they own the place, and all the people in it.  Silly voters thinking that Lincoln ended slavery ... bwahaha

[Unbeliever]

No, slavery didn't end, it just changed form.

[Baruch]

No, slavery didn't end, it just changed form.

You are too smart to be an American ... Canadian perhaps?

[aitm]

Frankly i think this is a lot more about window dressing. Everyone that I have talked to over the last months have nothing against people of color or sexual identity…they hate the established core and want to go outside of it and view Trump as a valid outsider. This is far more about hating a government that has ignored you than hating other people.

[Hurt]

Frankly i think this is a lot more about window dressing. Everyone that I have talked to over the last months have nothing against people of color or sexual identity…they hate the established core and want to go outside of it and view Trump as a valid outsider. This is far more about hating a government that has ignored you than hating other people.

Hating the corrupt politicians and the system that put them where they are. Trump spoke against it, like Sanders did. People want the government to obey them and address their needs.

[aitm]

People want the government to obey them and address their needs.

that is indeed the real purpose of the government. Hence the new outright indignation, and where we are today.

[Cavebear]

that is indeed the real purpose of the government. Hence the new outright indignation, and where we are today.

The voters have made a choice.  Mostly, they do a pretty good job.  We will have to see about this one.