Author Topic: A New Socrates  (Read 2999 times)

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2016, 04:08:49 PM »
How would you define "beauty"?
Beauty is the limit of advisability in every thing, every body, every construction, every picture, poem, music and so on. Beautiful thing has nothing which is unnecessary.
I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle.

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2016, 08:34:44 PM »
Beauty is the limit of advisability in every thing, every body, every construction, every picture, poem, music and so on. Beautiful thing has nothing which is unnecessary.

That is how experts assess a Bach fugue.
שלום

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2016, 08:36:33 PM »
I would say that at least some "likes" are honest and legitimate.  I would never give a "like" to gain favor or ingratiate myself.  An honest person simply never gives a "like" when they don't think one is deserved.  Some people do, though.  Sad.

As the gruppen-fuhrer of the Like button, you can pre-crime anyone who wants to "like" a post ... that you disagree with?  I have never given an undeserved like ... even one's I give you ;-)
שלום

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2016, 08:37:52 PM »
In Russia, we have neither Oprah nor Walmart. So I don't know what they answered.

Nazdrovye!  You aren't missing much.

Oprah-so sorry for your hurt feelings
Walmart-buy more Chinese products
שלום

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2016, 04:33:25 PM »
I just gave aitm a like to piss him off.   :2thumbs:

Yeah, me too! Better pissed off than pissed on, I (and apparently this other guy) always say...


God Not Found
"I am an expert of electricity. My father occupied the chair of applied electricity at the state prison."
W. C. Fields

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2016, 05:28:39 PM »
You can die on your knees ... if you give good head ;-)
שלום

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2016, 05:30:35 PM »
You can die on your knees ... if you give good head ;-)

What, there's such a thing as bad head!?
God Not Found
"I am an expert of electricity. My father occupied the chair of applied electricity at the state prison."
W. C. Fields

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2016, 10:42:23 PM »
Beauty is the limit of advisability in every thing, every body, every construction, every picture, poem, music and so on. Beautiful thing has nothing which is unnecessary.

How do we define what is unnecessary and inadvisable? Those seem very subjective and relative to the needs and wants of the time. Might explain why beauty standards are so starkly different through history.
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Offline Cavebear

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2016, 01:12:00 AM »
In Russia, we have neither Oprah nor Walmart. So I don't know what they answered.

In Russia, they claim to have invented both Oprah and Walmart.  ;)
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2016, 09:17:25 AM »
How do we define what is unnecessary and inadvisable? Those seem very subjective and relative to the needs and wants of the time. Might explain why beauty standards are so starkly different through history.

Great art is like porn ... you can't define it, but you know it when you see it (hear it).
שלום

Offline Sal1981

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2016, 01:02:25 PM »
Great art is like porn ... you can't define it, but you know it when you see it (hear it).
Mix the two.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2016, 01:44:41 PM »
Mix the two.

That defines the avant guarde.  Guernica is porn to me.
שלום

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #42 on: November 12, 2016, 05:55:35 AM »
A new Socrates?

Since Kirkegaard's time there have been a number of philosophers who I'd put in the same (top) rank as Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Marx and Nietzsche have already been mentioned. Also on my list would be Wittgenstein, Quine and Husserl.

Searle and Dennett are both fine thinkers, but neither of them is in the Socrates class.

Heidegger I actively dislike- in my view a charlatan with deeply unpleasant views. Derrida is in my opinion another charlatan.

Interestingly, the philosopher from this list who had by far and away the biggest impact on the world was Marx. And the impact of Marx was almost wholly negative- disastrously negative, in fact. From that I conclude that the world does not need another Socrates.

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #43 on: November 12, 2016, 07:59:05 PM »
A new Socrates?

Since Kirkegaard's time there have been a number of philosophers who I'd put in the same (top) rank as Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Marx and Nietzsche have already been mentioned. Also on my list would be Wittgenstein, Quine and Husserl.

Searle and Dennett are both fine thinkers, but neither of them is in the Socrates class.

Heidegger I actively dislike- in my view a charlatan with deeply unpleasant views. Derrida is in my opinion another charlatan.

Interestingly, the philosopher from this list who had by far and away the biggest impact on the world was Marx. And the impact of Marx was almost wholly negative- disastrously negative, in fact. From that I conclude that the world does not need another Socrates.

Marx dreamed of utopia but horrendously missed the mark, but he certainly did change the world. Imagine if a figure could harness said power for a positive end? Also, I don't know how Socrates like methods would apply to a written political philosophy. I feel like that would almost contradict everything he purportedly stood for.
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Offline Cavebear

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2016, 01:15:27 AM »
A new Socrates?

Since Kirkegaard's time there have been a number of philosophers who I'd put in the same (top) rank as Socrates, Plato and Aristotle. Marx and Nietzsche have already been mentioned. Also on my list would be Wittgenstein, Quine and Husserl.

Searle and Dennett are both fine thinkers, but neither of them is in the Socrates class.

Heidegger I actively dislike- in my view a charlatan with deeply unpleasant views. Derrida is in my opinion another charlatan.

I have yet to read a dedicated philosopher who wasn't essentially a maundering blowhard.

Interestingly, the philosopher from this list who had by far and away the biggest impact on the world was Marx. And the impact of Marx was almost wholly negative- disastrously negative, in fact. From that I conclude that the world does not need another Socrates.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead