Author Topic: A New Socrates  (Read 3000 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2016, 06:41:47 AM »
His name is Daniel Dennett.

Not particularly impressed ... John Searle is better ;-)
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Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2016, 06:43:58 AM »
Socrates was one of the Greek mystics who considered information "dangerous" to the masses.  And he was basically a crazy.  I do not consider him good for human thought.  I prefer Eratosthenes.

Greatest ancient geographer ... but I do get your point about Socrates.
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Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2016, 01:20:55 PM »
I notice a lot of people listing off names, and others dismissing their suggestions with other suggestions. Since the world is so big and connected and as Baruch mentioned, loud, do you think there could be multiple "New Socrates" or has the world moved on from this type of discussion. The world is filled with a lot of vague and often misinterpreted ideals, I get the feeling any "New Socrates" would have a field day with modern civilization, I just can't see them being relevant.
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2016, 01:22:22 PM »
Also considering that they killed the last Socrates, do you think we even need such a person today?
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2016, 01:41:12 PM »
Also considering that they killed the last Socrates, do you think we even need such a person today?

If there hadn't been a Socrates, it would have been necessary to create him, only to kill him ;-)

Like any good joke, with Socrates, you would have had to have been there ... in 410 BCE Athens.
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Offline aitm

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2016, 02:46:24 PM »
The majority is not interested in intelligence, they are interested in people who agree with them, as such, places like this demand "like" buttons so peeps can get a daily dose of self confidence instead of a slap in the face for being stupid.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline SGOS

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2016, 06:20:46 PM »
I just gave aitm a like to piss him off.   :2thumbs:

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2016, 06:52:09 PM »
The majority is not interested in intelligence, they are interested in people who agree with them, as such, places like this demand "like" buttons so peeps can get a daily dose of self confidence instead of a slap in the face for being stupid.

Dogs bite, they don't slap. Arf arf!  But bad dogs don't love humans, they are rabid and bite everyone.
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Offline Sal1981

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2016, 03:07:23 PM »
Not particularly impressed ... John Searle is better ;-)
Pffft. Dan is one of the Horsemen.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman

Offline Sal1981

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2016, 03:09:08 PM »


The majority is not interested in intelligence, they are interested in people who agree with them, as such, places like this demand "like" buttons so peeps can get a daily dose of self confidence instead of a slap in the face for being stupid.

Don't take away my only joy in life.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" --- Richard P. Feynman

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2016, 05:42:14 PM »
Maybe, we'd better remember old Socrates, re-read his questions and try to answer them by our own way? What is love, friendship, courage, beauty, wisdom, truth etc.?
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Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2016, 06:36:42 PM »
In modern times, all those questions are answered for us by Oprah and Walmart ;-(
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Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2016, 10:58:53 PM »
Maybe, we'd better remember old Socrates, re-read his questions and try to answer them by our own way? What is love, friendship, courage, beauty, wisdom, truth etc.?

Excellent point. How would you define "beauty"?
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Offline Cavebear

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2016, 11:21:03 PM »
The majority is not interested in intelligence, they are interested in people who agree with them, as such, places like this demand "like" buttons so peeps can get a daily dose of self confidence instead of a slap in the face for being stupid.

I would say that at least some "likes" are honest and legitimate.  I would never give a "like" to gain favor or ingratiate myself.  An honest person simply never gives a "like" when they don't think one is deserved.  Some people do, though.  Sad.
Atheist born, atheist bred.  And when I die, atheist dead

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2016, 03:55:30 PM »
In modern times, all those questions are answered for us by Oprah and Walmart ;-(
In Russia, we have neither Oprah nor Walmart. So I don't know what they answered.
I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle.