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A New Socrates
« on: November 04, 2016, 12:54:59 AM »
Been reading up on a lot of great Absurdist literature and I came across this quote.

"People think the world needs a republic, and they think it needs a new social order, and a new religion, but it never occurs to anyone that what the world really needs, confused as it is by much learning, is a new Socrates."
Søren Kierkegaard, The Sickness Unto Death (1849)

What do you guys think of this quote? Agree or disagree.

Do you think such a person is here, on the way or even possible, and how would we recognize such a person?
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2016, 07:06:52 AM »
Cut to the chase ... whoever it is ... when can we watch them drink the hemlock?  For the ignorant ...

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England, while it still exists, is the only place I can go on=line where I can encounter intelligence ;-)

I agree, ironically, with your quote.  The new Socrates was Nietzsche.  The new Plato was Marx.  I would argue that the new Aristotle was Russell.
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Offline SGOS

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2016, 09:17:43 AM »
I'm not sure answering every question with another question is the best way to teach.  It has it's place depending on context, but there are more effective ways of imparting knowledge most of the time.  It wouldn't hurt to have another Socrates.  There undoubtedly are some around right now, although I would think they would tend to be annoying.  They executed him, didn't they?

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2016, 12:35:38 PM »
Socrates (according to Plato) had a particular theory of education, which explains why he answered questions non-dogmatically.  If you wanted a dog-matic answer, you could always ask Diogenes (a guy who came later, I know).  Socrates tried to get people to figure out the truth for themselves, he saw himself as a midwife of wisdom (his mother was a midwife) ... not as an oracle of eternal truths.  And they did figure out the truth ... they didn't like Socrates ;-(
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Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2016, 05:59:45 PM »
I think George Carlin would qualify, perhaps, as the new Socrates, but few paid enough attention while he was among us.
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Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2016, 07:40:32 PM »
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I think George Carlin would qualify, perhaps, as the new Socrates, but few paid enough attention while he was among us.

Lenny Bruce was the new Diogenes.
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Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2016, 07:42:02 PM »
Now if we could just find a new Archimedes...
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"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."
Carl Sagan
There's no such thing as karma, it's all just consequences.

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2016, 09:02:18 PM »
I haven't heard of a few of the people mentioned as potential Socrates. In this modern day how do you think a Socrates-like person would even be able to question anything or communicate with the current sociopolitical climate?
"To have faith is to lose your mind and to win God."
-The Sickness unto Death - 1849

Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2016, 06:34:27 AM »
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Now if we could just find a new Archimedes...

Archimedes was a defense contractor who died in defense of his city state.  I can relate to that, real well.
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Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2016, 06:37:13 AM »
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I haven't heard of a few of the people mentioned as potential Socrates. In this modern day how do you think a Socrates-like person would even be able to question anything or communicate with the current sociopolitical climate?

Interesting problem.  I think the level of noise is so high, it would be hard for anyone to hear him/her.  Questioning anything just takes skepticism.  Being annoying is what every socially involved web site tries to do.  And Google would deliberately try to steer you away from finding his URL (put him at the bottom of a search that returns a million hits).
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Offline Sal1981

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2016, 10:48:25 PM »
His name is Daniel Dennett.
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Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2016, 11:18:21 PM »
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Now if we could just find a new Archimedes...
Elon Musk?

Offline Cavebear

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2016, 01:49:21 AM »
Socrates was one of the Greek mystics who considered information "dangerous" to the masses.  And he was basically a crazy.  I do not consider him good for human thought.  I prefer Eratosthenes.
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Offline Shiranu

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2016, 01:00:05 AM »
There is such a man as you speak of. And his name? Well... and his name is...

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Offline Baruch

Re: A New Socrates
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2016, 06:40:48 AM »
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Elon Musk?

Psycho plutocrat who got there on tax subsidies?
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