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Offline Atheon

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2016, 11:23:33 AM »
Hey look! Voter fraud is real!!

(Trump supporter charged with voting twice)

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Offline Hydra009

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2016, 12:00:13 PM »
Quote
Rote told Iowa Public Radio that she cast her first ballot for Trump but feared it would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton.

β€œThe polls are rigged,” Rote told the radio station.
If she actually believed this, wouldn't it make more sense to not vote at all?  I mean, why participate in a process that you don't believe is legitimate?  Why cast a ballot that you strongly suspect is going to be altered?

Imo, the more plausible explanation is that this is just a partisan trying to ensure her candidate's success by hook or by crook.

Offline Atheon

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2016, 12:23:18 PM »
This is a good demonstration of the mental capacity of Trump supporters.
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Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2016, 12:24:52 PM »
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Hey look! Voter fraud is real!!

(Trump supporter charged with voting twice)

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So you have nothing to contribute towards the topic at hand, Whats going on with the polls?

But to humor you:

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Offline Atheon

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2016, 12:39:42 PM »
Going to the polling place twice has something to do with polls.

In any case, polls always tighten up as the Big Day comes. This is because the undecideds start to decide. Being undecided, they tend to be more dimwitted, and as such they tend to favor Republicans, as dimwitted people do.
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Offline AllPurposeAtheist

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2016, 02:03:44 PM »
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So you have nothing to contribute towards the topic at hand, Whats going on with the polls?

But to humor you:

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oh please.. The Washington Times was founded by Sun Myung Moon and you're giving it even a shread of credibility?  HAHAHAHA!
Don't tell me..You were married by ol Sun? I was a Moonie for about 2 weeks once upon a time..
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Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2016, 02:29:45 PM »
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oh please.. The Washington Times was founded by Sun Myung Moon and you're giving it even a shread of credibility?  HAHAHAHA!
Don't tell me..You were married by ol Sun? I was a Moonie for about 2 weeks once upon a time..
Are you saying Moon is influencing colorado from the grave?

#1 in article:
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Each point in the article is referenced to outside sources.  So KmA.

Offline Baruch

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2016, 02:35:39 PM »
So the girl committing voter fraud ... she can get up to 5 years in jail.  That isn't where it is done, it is done in the voting machine software.  That is why exit polls and voting results don't match in the 2012 election.
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Offline Atheon

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2016, 02:44:21 PM »
What you're describing is election fraud, not voter fraud. Republicans rely on the confusion of terms to push their voter suppression efforts.

There is always a discrepancy between exit polling and actual results. The fact that Obama won as expected by the aggregate polls shows that election fraud was unlikely. It sure threw Karl Rove and the Unskewing guy for a loop, but they were doing it wrong. Nate Silver was doing it right.
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Offline Baruch

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2016, 04:08:32 PM »
So what is Nate Silver saying now that we are only a week+ out of the election?  Except for dead Democrats, there isn't that much voter fraud out there.  But the potential for election fraud gets easier and easier.
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Offline Atheon

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2016, 08:15:19 PM »
Over the last couple weeks, Hillary's probability of winning has declined from around 85-86% to 79-80% as undecideds start to commit to a candidate. The race usually tightens in the last couple weeks. He also says that historically, "October surprises" have little effect on the outcome of an election. And in my un-expert opinion, with early voting locking people's votes in, they should have even less influence.

Though I don't know how reliable it is, I prefer looking at the results of Daily Kos's prediction model: 96% chance of a Hillary win.

About dead people voting, if someone mails in a ballot and then dies before election day, does that count as a dead person voting?
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Offline Baruch

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2016, 08:55:22 PM »
Dead people voting ... are you joking about the criminality of the D party in the 1960 election?

Daily Kos is the Pravda of the D party ... sheesh.  But I will accept that Nate Silver may be unbiased.
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Offline Hydra009

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2016, 01:20:47 AM »
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About dead people voting, if someone mails in a ballot and then dies before election day, does that count as a dead person voting?
Yes, those are counted.  A card laid is a card played, so to speak.  Though voting in the next election cycle is a bit of a no-no.

Offline Cavebear

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2016, 03:12:05 AM »
The basic idea of voter fraud is a dead issue.  Even the BushII administration tried to prove it and couldn't. It is a false issue.

Not that it stops fanatics.  They have the idea of it fixed in their minds and nothing will persuade them otherwise.

I will provide a Snopes Report that demolishes charges of voter fraud, and then list some of the more important conclusions.  If you can't trust Snopes, then you are pretty much hopeless.  THeir whole article is too long to post here, and too information-dense to summarize easily.  But I'll try.

Claim:  In 59 voting districts in the Philadelphia region, Obama received 100% of the votes with not even a single vote recorded for Romney. (A mathematical and statistical impossibility).

Snopes Response:  Barack Obama won the overall vote in the Philadelphia area by an 85% to 14% margin over Mitt Romney; Obama also received greater than 90% of the vote in more than half of Philadelphia's 66 wards, and 99% or more of the vote in seven of those wards.  When the Inquirer went looking for Republican voters in some of those divisions, they couldn't find any.

Claim:  In 21 districts in Wood County Ohio, Obama received 100% of the votes where GOP inspectors were illegally removed from their polling locations β€” and not one single vote was recorded for Romney. (Another statistical impossibility).

Snopes Response:  A precinct-by-precinct breakdown of the official voting results from Wood County, Ohio, for the 2012 election shows that Barack Obama received nowhere close to 100% of the votes cast in any of that county's 97 precincts. The highest percentage he achieved in any one precinct was 75.5%.

Claim:  In 21 districts in Wood County Ohio, Obama received 100% of the votes where GOP inspectors were illegally removed from their polling locations β€” and not one single vote was recorded for Romney. (Another statistical impossibility).

Snopes Response:  A precinct-by-precinct breakdown of the official voting results from Wood County, Ohio, for the 2012 election shows that Barack Obama received nowhere close to 100% of the votes cast in any of that county's 97 precincts. The highest percentage he achieved in any one precinct was 75.5%.

There are more examples in the article, you can read them there.  Snopes survives on a reputation for accuracy.

I consider this unassailable proof of deliberate deception (or utter stupidity) by partisan Republican fanatics.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: War over polls intensifies
« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2016, 05:08:38 AM »
So let's say Clinton/Kaine are elected.  Kaine resigns and Obama is named Vice President.  Clinton is automatically impeachment-proof!  Or maybe even resigns in favor of Obama.  LOL!

Just a joke.

Or IS it...?  Bwa-ha-ha. 

If you actually considered that, you are a crazy Republican and the CIA is going to come and take away your voter card and ALL your guns.

And there are some people out there who believe THAT...
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