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Offline Baruch

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #480 on: August 12, 2019, 11:38:23 PM »
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I've wondered about that.  Not that a small flyby makes much difference, but after enough flybys...

If we can (sometime in the future) move Earth away from the Sun to escape overheating by graviational attraction of asteroids or something, flybys could have an affect.

True, but not very practical.  All our launches since 1957 will have lengthened the day by a little bit.
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Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #481 on: August 12, 2019, 11:52:59 PM »
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I've wondered about that.  Not that a small flyby makes much difference, but after enough flybys...

If we can (sometime in the future) move Earth away from the Sun to escape overheating by graviational attraction of asteroids or something, flybys could have an affect.

We (or our unrecognizable descendent species) should be lucky to make it that long. To a first approximation, all species are extinct.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #482 on: August 13, 2019, 12:44:05 AM »
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We (or our unrecognizable descendent species) should be lucky to make it that long. To a first approximation, all species are extinct.

Well, yes, I grant that we humans would have to last quite a while.  And maybe some ascendant intelligent species would have to do that instead of us.  I do smile when I hear some people react about events even a mere million years in the future and assume we will be here then. 

I personally suspect that there are only 2 categories of intelligent species in the universe.  Those who kill themselves in the equivalent of our near future, and those that don't and live forever managing their resources however wide they spread. 
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Offline trdsf

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #483 on: August 13, 2019, 01:46:20 AM »
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I've wondered about that.  Not that a small flyby makes much difference, but after enough flybys...

If we can (sometime in the future) move Earth away from the Sun to escape overheating by graviational attraction of asteroids or something, flybys could have an affect.
Pretty much.  It was calculated (I lost the link, so I'm working from memory, and if the numbers are wrong the orders of magnitude are not) that the Voyager flybys of Jupiter mean that in a couple billion years, Jupiter will be a something like a centimeter short of where it would've been without the flybys.  The advantage of being a huge gas giant facing off against a tiny spacecraft.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #484 on: August 13, 2019, 02:24:43 AM »
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Pretty much.  It was calculated (I lost the link, so I'm working from memory, and if the numbers are wrong the orders of magnitude are not) that the Voyager flybys of Jupiter mean that in a couple billion years, Jupiter will be a something like a centimeter short of where it would've been without the flybys.  The advantage of being a huge gas giant facing off against a tiny spacecraft.

I am surprised it is even that much, but as orders of magnitude go, that sounds right.  Maybe we better fly by on opposite sides though.   The butterfly effect, you know...

I can just see some future beings cursing us as a asteroid approaches "if only Jupiter was a centimeter farther away, it would miss us"...
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Offline Baruch

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #485 on: August 14, 2019, 12:15:21 AM »
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Well, yes, I grant that we humans would have to last quite a while.  And maybe some ascendant intelligent species would have to do that instead of us.  I do smile when I hear some people react about events even a mere million years in the future and assume we will be here then. 

I personally suspect that there are only 2 categories of intelligent species in the universe.  Those who kill themselves in the equivalent of our near future, and those that don't and live forever managing their resources however wide they spread.

Cockroaches in the long run.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #486 on: August 15, 2019, 12:34:48 PM »
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Cockroaches in the long run.

Actually, cockroaches need us a lot more than we need them.  If we all disappeared tomorrow, most cockroaches would freeze to death shortly after.  They are tropical insects.  They only get by outside the tropics because we keep nice warm cities.
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Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #487 on: August 15, 2019, 01:23:09 PM »
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Cockroaches in the long run.

Very Kafka-esque. :-)
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Offline Baruch

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #488 on: August 15, 2019, 01:53:29 PM »
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Actually, cockroaches need us a lot more than we need them.  If we all disappeared tomorrow, most cockroaches would freeze to death shortly after.  They are tropical insects.  They only get by outside the tropics because we keep nice warm cities.

I am sure they will get a short boost from your corpse.
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Offline Baruch

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #489 on: August 15, 2019, 01:54:03 PM »
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Very Kafka-esque. :-)

Scorpions are even superior to cock roaches.
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Offline Cavebear

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #490 on: August 15, 2019, 01:55:36 PM »
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I am sure they will get a short boost from your corpse.

No no.  no cockroaches in the house.  The cats will eat me first anyway.  And I won't begrudge them a bite.  I fed them during my life... 
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Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #491 on: August 16, 2019, 08:29:16 AM »
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Scorpions are even superior to cock roaches.

Scorpion to cockroach: nothing to do with logic, just my nature...

Offline Cavebear

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #492 on: August 20, 2019, 05:16:57 AM »
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Scorpion to cockroach: nothing to do with logic, just my nature...

Ah the frog carrying the scorpion across the river...
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