Author Topic: why are you an atheist?  (Read 33760 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #300 on: April 13, 2018, 07:00:12 PM »
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The structure of a hemoglobin molecule is almost identical to chlorophyll, with one atom of iron, instead of manganese (or is it magnesium?).  I saw the molecule diagrams for them in biology side by side, but I noticed other structural changes besides just that one.  We must be related to plants.  Well of course we would be.

Specifically, herbivores are traitors, and carnivores are traitors of traitors ;-)

In the beginning, there was cyano-bacteria.  It evolved when the atmosphere wasn't oxygen rich like it is today.  Stromatolites were the major class of being.

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They still exist in Australia.  So they did photosynthesis before the plants did it.  And produced a more oxygen rich atmosphere, necessary for more advanced life forms like plants and animals.  They produced the first mass extinction, and the greatest glacial age ...

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See, Frosty the Snowman was the creator ;-)  The earliest multicellular life evolved from a fruit flavored 7-11 Slushie that melted ;-)
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Offline SGOS

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #301 on: April 14, 2018, 11:48:07 AM »
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In the beginning, there was cyano-bacteria.  It evolved when the atmosphere wasn't oxygen rich like it is today.  Stromatolites were the major class of being.

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Stromatolites!  Just the other day I was trying to remember the name of that interesting life form, one of the oldest on earth, and the exception to the rule that "all species go extinct."  Well at least they are not extinct yet.  I've heard them described as looking like cow pies, but I have never seen them, so I was happy to find this picture in your link:

Picture thanks to Ruth Ellison - Sromatolites at Lake Thetis Western Australia


Offline Baruch

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #302 on: April 14, 2018, 03:38:23 PM »
Remember, all subsequent life forms are direct or indirect parasites on the activity of the older life forms.  So basically, we are at the top of the food chain, but at the bottom of biosphere great chain of being.  All hail the master life form, the bacterial reef!  Should we lose oxygen out of the atmosphere, or acidify the oceans too much, stromatolites will once again dominate.  Other life forms, not so much.  But I think the scorpion will give it a run for its money.

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A little red-neck entertainment ;-)
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Offline Cavebear

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #303 on: April 15, 2018, 12:55:20 AM »
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Sorry, I just like to write absurd nonsense from time to time.  I try to make it absurd enough that people will recognize it's intentionally absurd, but I try to avoid such an extreme so that it might actually sound like something someone might say out of ignorance.

Actually, from what I just googled, it's more likely that the evolution seems to be that animals evolved to eat plants, and then evolved some mechanism that uses chlorophyll to manufacture hemoglobin.  It was not a detailed enough explanation to explain if the chlorophyll is a catalyst or a building block in the process or exactly how it is used.  The part about eating plants first and then using the chlorophyll itself is conjecture on my part.  I have no actual knowledge of the order of the evolutionary events.

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Yes, I am a lot more tolerant about intelligent people who sometimes say odd things than I am about stupid people who accidentally say accurate things.  I actually do trust that you know better than to think that some plant suddenly became an animal. :)
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Offline Cavebear

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #304 on: April 15, 2018, 12:57:15 AM »
This post showed up on a thread where I wasn't.  Admins, check your software!
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Offline Baruch

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #305 on: April 15, 2018, 01:05:07 AM »
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Yes, I am a lot more tolerant about intelligent people who sometimes say odd things than I am about stupid people who accidentally say accurate things.  I actually do trust that you know better than to think that some plant suddenly became an animal. :)

Probably not in nature, but with recombinant DNA we can mix life forms freely.
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Offline aitm

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #306 on: April 15, 2018, 12:08:53 PM »
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This post showed up on a thread where I wasn't.  Admins, check your software!

I checked and checked but the more I checked on my software the harder it got.....
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline SGOS

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #307 on: April 15, 2018, 12:16:46 PM »
I've posted stuff to threads I never intended to post to, but this mistake has always required that I have been there.  Sometimes I've had two different threads on my desk at the same time, and end up writing in one to someone in the other.  Usually, it's because I google something to double check it's correct, then I go back to the forum and get the wrong thread.

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #308 on: September 08, 2018, 07:37:13 PM »
I am an agnostik atheist, also named as ''negative atheist''.
Cant say there is no god ''absolutely'' but may be.

Offline Baruch

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #309 on: September 08, 2018, 11:12:32 PM »
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I am an agnostik atheist, also named as ''negative atheist''.
Cant say there is no god ''absolutely'' but may be.

Depends on how you define it.  Do it right, and atheism is like shooting theologians in a barrel (fish in a barrel joke).
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Offline Cavebear

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #310 on: September 12, 2018, 05:37:43 AM »
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I checked and checked but the more I checked on my software the harder it got.....

Sorry, sometimes I get a bit offline...
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Offline Cavebear

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #311 on: September 12, 2018, 05:40:44 AM »
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I've posted stuff to threads I never intended to post to, but this mistake has always required that I have been there.  Sometimes I've had two different threads on my desk at the same time, and end up writing in one to someone in the other.  Usually, it's because I google something to double check it's correct, then I go back to the forum and get the wrong thread.

I do that too sometimes and arrive back at the wrong thread.  Heck, at a favorite site long ago, I once discovered I had argued AGAINST MYSELF!

Well, I am mentally flexible, but I never realized how much... 
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Offline Cavebear

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #312 on: September 12, 2018, 05:44:32 AM »
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I am an agnostik atheist, also named as ''negative atheist''.
Cant say there is no god ''absolutely'' but may be.

You have referred to "negative atheist" before.  I used to think that meant someone who hated a deity for some reason, but that never made much sense to me.  And you use it differently.  I think of "atheist" simply as being without a "theism".

Could you describe what you mean in more detail?
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Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #313 on: September 27, 2018, 06:22:23 PM »
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You have referred to "negative atheist" before.  I used to think that meant someone who hated a deity for some reason, but that never made much sense to me.  And you use it differently.  I think of "atheist" simply as being without a "theism".

Could you describe what you mean in more detail?
a- adds negative meaning to the root word.
so, etimologically thinking, i too think of atheizm as being with out theizm.

why i hate a deity that does not exist?

negatif ateists dont comment on whether a god exists. they assert that they simply dont know whethet it exists or not. but pozitif ateists claim there cant be and is not a deity absolutly.

Re: why are you an atheist?
« Reply #314 on: September 27, 2018, 11:13:41 PM »
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a- adds negative meaning to the root word.
so, etimologically thinking, i too think of atheizm as being with out theizm.

why i hate a deity that does not exist?

negatif ateists dont comment on whether a god exists. they assert that they simply dont know whethet it exists or not. but pozitif ateists claim there cant be and is not a deity absolutly.
I quite agree soldier--why hate a fiction??  I prefer to call myself a non-believer and not an atheist.  When I use that label too many theists think I am simply angry at their god.  How can I be angry or hate something that does not exist?


Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

 

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