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Offline Sal1981

Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #30 on: August 17, 2016, 07:37:16 AM »
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The only thing I can think of is if god would reveal himself to us. Other than that I can't think of any.
Tangible, repeatable, no-bars-held, evidence.

I won't hold my breath.
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Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #31 on: August 17, 2016, 01:07:56 PM »
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The only thing I can think of is if god would reveal himself to us. Other than that I can't think of any.
The only reason anyone ever had for believing in any gods is to disguise ignorance as knowledge.  Can't explain it?  Explain it anyway.
This sentence is a lie...

Offline g2perk

Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2016, 01:56:35 PM »
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Tangible, repeatable, no-bars-held, evidence.

I won't hold my breath.
That's exactly what God offers.

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Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2016, 02:18:35 PM »
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That's exactly what God offers.

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Really??? Care to share some of that???
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline g2perk

Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2016, 02:26:47 PM »
This comes when you have a real relationship with Him. Not Religion. For one God protects is own. And if you are his own and you go through a hard time he guides you in the right direction.

Now this may seem far fetched for many but for those whom experienced it first hand. Its reality.

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Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2016, 05:01:04 PM »
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Materialists don't follow Alan Watts .. enlightened beings do ;-)

If we are a program, the programmer might not seem to be god to you, until your subroutine gets deleted.  Aren't you afraid of the MS registry apocalypse?  I had a work computer that actually happened to.  Made a believer out of me ;-)

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An apocalypse (Ancient Greek: ἀποκάλυψις apokálypsis, from ἀπό and καλύπτω meaning "uncovering"), translated literally from Greek, is a disclosure of knowledge, i.e., a lifting of the veil or revelation.


The word apocalypse is often misused to mean a catastrophic end of something, e.g., the world. Can I assume that's the sense you intend here?
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Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2016, 05:07:07 PM »
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This comes when you have a real relationship with Him. Not Religion. For one God protects is own. And if you are his own and you go through a hard time he guides you in the right direction.

Now this may seem far fetched for many but for those whom experienced it first hand. Its reality.

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I see, then what you are talking about is simply subjective.  You cannot produce a single fact for your god.  I understand. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2016, 05:09:44 PM »
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The only thing I can think of is if god would reveal himself to us. Other than that I can't think of any.

have you seen the movie contact?
Imo that was actually the central point in the movie and i think the conclusion where the god believer and the scientist came together because they both shared beliefs rejected by their scientific peers, but what determines truth is not the belief or disbelief of scientists but rather what is evidenced by the universe. So if I had an experience like the women scientist in the movie I would probably believe like her too.
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Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2016, 05:11:49 PM »
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God protects is own. And if you are his own and you go through a hard time he guides you in the right direction.
So when I can't seem to hit the right hole with my hard time, God will come to my rescue and get it right in for me?
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Offline g2perk

Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2016, 05:25:43 PM »
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So when I can't seem to hit the right hole with my hard time, God will come to my rescue and get it right in for me?
Right and wrong....must be a believe before you receive the benefits.

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Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2016, 05:30:08 PM »
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have you seen the movie contact?
Imo that was actually the central point in the movie and i think the conclusion where the god believer and the scientist came together because they both shared beliefs rejected by their scientific peers, but what determines truth is not the belief or disbelief of scientists but rather what is evidenced by the universe. So if I had an experience like the women scientist in the movie I would probably believe like her too.
I can agree with that.

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Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2016, 05:30:31 PM »
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Right and wrong....must be a believe before you receive the benefits.
I guess that's why I don't get anything for Christmas anymore - I no longer believe in Santa Claus...
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Offline g2perk

Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2016, 05:32:05 PM »
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I see, then what you are talking about is simply subjective.  You cannot produce a single fact for your god.  I understand.
O lord here we go with the subjective or not quote. Yeah my experience is my proof. What is your proof that God does not exist.

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Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2016, 05:32:24 PM »
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I guess that's why I don't get anything for Christmas anymore - I no longer believe in Santa Claus...
I guess

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Re: what would be an actually good reason to believe in a god.
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2016, 05:33:14 PM »
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O lord here we go with the subjective or not quote. Yeah my experience is my proof. What is your proof that God does not exist.
Hmm...my guess would be...his experience?
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