Ethicists - Voting Your Heart is Immoral

[FaithIsFilth]

I'm sure a "Socialist Jew" would have been able to beat Trump. Especially since Americans still have a huge issue with the idea of the first woman president.

Only 6 percent of Americans say they would not vote for a Jew. How do you figure Americans have a huge issue with the idea of a woman president? Only 7 percent say they would not vote for a woman. Are you basing this on Hillary not winning? Hillary losing means just about as much as Michelle Bachmann or Sarah Palin losing would mean. Hillary was the worst candidate probably in history, who got less votes from women this time around than Obama did last time around, and lost to a sexual predator who was outspent three to one. Elizabeth Warren is a woman who probably would have succeeded against Trump, but the Dems decided to rig it because it was Hillary's turn and Warren was told not to run. Tulsi Gabbard may have been able to hang with Trump, but Hillary banned her from the debates. Hillary is the only reason that a woman had no chance this time around.

Picked a woman who called Obama an "Uncle Tom"

What's wrong with that? That's not like calling someone an uncle tom for speaking "white". That's calling him out for not being pro-black enough or caring enough about trying to help black people.

[Baruch]

In the 1930s, 1/2 of Americans were anti-Semitic.  Today 1/4 of Americans are anti-Semitic.  This has been driven by the improvement of Jewish American prosperity, the move of socialist Jewish immigrants to Jewish Republicans (Barry Goldwater is Jewish, so is Bill Gates).  Some was driven back then do to the Holocaust, but most people today don't know what that was ... today inertia reigns.

So I don't know if it is 7% who would reject Bernie because he is Jewish, but it is something less than 25%.  If Bernie was a Jewish banker, his candidacy would be less viable ... 48% of American billionaires are Jewish.

[Hurt]

Wow, so much to go over...

I'm fairly certain Sanders would have beaten Trump handily. Think back to the primaries, Sanders started out being relatively unknown to the majority of Americans, 60 points down I think it was. As his message was heard, and verified that he held the same positions for over thirty years, more and more people supported him. Here was a candidate that was truly on the side of the American people, as opposed to a, how was it put, "a mainstream, ordinary president". Isn't it striking, the difference in those two?

He did much better in the states that allowed all people to vote. Remember New York? That election was held in April and it was a closed election. People would have had to register as democrat the previous October when Hillary was 19 points ahead of Sanders. Sanders held a rally and had a record breaking crowd. But not all of those people could vote for him. But they could have voted in the general. And almost every poll in 2016 had Sanders beating Trump.

Would those people who said hold your nose and vote for the democrat so Trump doesn't win vote for Sanders? Trump and Sanders had a few points that overlapped; trade, money in politics, focus on the U.S. more and other countries less. I'm sure more than a few people voted for Trump because of those, people who would have much rather voted for Sanders.

Obama, Clinton, Debbie WS and others made the current mess. It was their doing to stack the deck for Clinton. They broke their own rules and put the weaker candidate up against Trump and lost. It is not my responsibility to clean it up and reward their shitty behavior. If they don't learn the right lesson from this then they do not get my vote, and probably not the vote from a lot of other people.

[Cavebear]

I voted for Clinton because she was mos qualified and experienced.   If I had wanted the smartest person available not experienced in elected office, I would have voted for myself.

[Baruch]

I voted for Clinton because she was mos qualified and experienced.   If I had wanted the smartest person available not experienced in elected office, I would have voted for myself.

Yes, absolutely, between Hillary and Donald, Hillary was more experienced.  But that was her very weakness ;-(  And no, I have never considered sociopaths to be smart ... a smart person doesn't run for office.  A smart person doesn't support democracy either.  Fortunately, I am smart enough to reject sociopaths, but not smart enough to reject democracy.