About Mrs Trumps wifes speech..

[Johan]

Meh, its unfortunate for them because of the inevitable bad press. But I no more believe Melania Trump committed willful malicious plagiarism than I believe my ex had a headache all those nights. And just like the intimate details of my sex life, this event is meaningless in the grand scheme of history.

[GSOgymrat]

Of course she didn't actually write the speech-- "Melania's team of writers took notes on her life’s inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking,” Jason Miller, Trump’s communications adviser, said in a statement.

I doubt Mrs. Trump ever paid much attention to anything Mrs. Obama has ever said.

[SGOS]

Of course she didn't actually write the speech-- "Melania's team of writers took notes on her life’s inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking,” Jason Miller, Trump’s communications adviser, said in a statement.

Hell, I watched Michelle's speech 8 years ago, and I can't remember a thing she said.  I just remember thinking she was a good speaker.  It seems obvious that the speech writers had to do some serious research to find a copy of Michelle's speech so they could copy it.  I'm sure it wasn't something lying there in their subconscious, and they just drug it up without realizing where it came from.  There's probably no actual copyright on a speech, but as speech writers for a presidential candidate, much more creativity than that should be part of the job description.  Trump should fire them.  If he doesn't, he just looks like a candidate that can't even hire people capable of actually doing the minimum work their job calls for.  It isn't just a potential SNL moment.  It is a poor reflection on the candidate.

[GSOgymrat]

There's probably no actual copyright on a speech, but as speech writers for a presidential candidate, much more creativity than that should be part of the job description.  Trump should fire them.  If he doesn't, he just looks like a candidate that can't even hire people capable of actually doing the minimum work their job calls for.  It isn't just a potential SNL moment.  It is a poor reflection on the candidate.

Isn't Trump's answer to every policy question, "I'm going to hire the best people"? Not an auspicious start.

[Mike Cl]

Meh, its unfortunate for them because of the inevitable bad press. But I no more believe Melania Trump committed willful malicious plagiarism than I believe my ex had a headache all those nights. And just like the intimate details of my sex life, this event is meaningless in the grand scheme of history.

I agree that she did not commit 'willful malicious plagiarism', as well.  But since this was her speech, she has to take the responsibility of its content.  At best she was remiss in her editing of that speech.  She told people on a morning TV show that she had written most of that speech herself.  So, she has to take the responsibility--good and bad--for what she said.   

[GSOgymrat]

She told people on a morning TV show that she had written most of that speech herself. 

She's a liar.

[Hydra009]

Of course she didn't actually write the speech-- "Melania's team of writers took notes on her life’s inspirations, and in some instances included fragments that reflected her own thinking,” Jason Miller, Trump’s communications adviser, said in a statement.

I doubt Mrs. Trump ever paid much attention to anything Mrs. Obama has ever said.

I agree with that, but at the same time I couldn't care less about Mrs Trump.  Like all spouses of a presidential candidate, she's not running for any actual office and for all I know, she's not particularly eager to leave her mansion for the much smaller and less luxurious Oval Office.  This campaign has little and less to do with her.  So as far as I'm concerned, she can take a dump onstage and it wouldn't change my impression of the Trump-Pence campaign.

[Mike Cl]

I agree with that, but at the same time I couldn't care less about Mrs Trump.  Like all spouses of a presidential candidate, she's not running for any actual office and for all I know, she's not particularly eager to leave her mansion for the much smaller and less luxurious Oval Office.  This campaign has little and less to do with her.  So as far as I'm concerned, she can take a dump onstage and it wouldn't change my impression of the Trump-Pence campaign.

Yeah, I can go along with that.

[Johan]

I agree that she did not commit 'willful malicious plagiarism', as well.  But since this was her speech, she has to take the responsibility of its content.  At best she was remiss in her editing of that speech.   

Was she remiss? Really? Are you suggesting that anyone in that sort of position where speeches are required but hired speech writers are used is ultimately responsible to vet every last word penned by said speech writers themselves so as to insure that no one who came before them ever uttered similar words?

I mean I'm not arguing with you, but if that's the realistic expectation then I can tell you right now, I would fail miserably every single time. My attitude is I hire them, I pay them to do a job, and I expect them to do that job. Which includes making sure I'm not going to say something that makes me look like an ass. In fact I would probably make that the very first bullet point on their one-pager job description sheet. Do not under any circumstances do anything that makes me look like an ass.

So really what we're talking about here is that Trumps wife sucks at hiring underlings.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

I didn't watch any of the freak show that was the RNC convention, but from what I read Christie squandered his time doing nothing but pretending to prosecute HRC in some lynch mob type mock trial.. 

[SGOS]

I didn't watch any of the freak show that was the RNC convention, but from what I read Christie squandered his time doing nothing but pretending to prosecute HRC in some lynch mob type mock trial.. 

Brings back memories of Clint Eastwood talking to an empty chair.

[drunkenshoe]

Ouch. That's embarrassing. They couldn't hire a specialist to write a good speech with all that money they spend to the campaign? This woman's position could be used very efficiently in their position. No? She grew up in old socialist Yugoslavia, she became a US citizen in 2006 a year before she married Trump. Apparently she speaks 5 languages. But then the stuff comes up if you google this woman...lol.

There is a particular part she is talking about raising his son as a 'mini-Donald' that would give a normal human to urge to vomit. Apparently he fires nannies and some other personnel around the house and mommy is very proud of it! He is 9. *Insert psycho smile here. (Pretty much what I meant in the 'is Trump racist' thread. Probably this is how he was raised too.)

They even have a 'theory' about the incident that speech might be sabotaged. LOL

A Theory: Donald Trump's Ex-Campaign Manager Deliberately Sabotaged Melania Trump

http://blackbag.gawker.com/a-theory-donald-trumps-ex-campaign-manager-deliberatel-1783930502

[Mike Cl]

Was she remiss? Really? Are you suggesting that anyone in that sort of position where speeches are required but hired speech writers are used is ultimately responsible to vet every last word penned by said speech writers themselves so as to insure that no one who came before them ever uttered similar words?

I mean I'm not arguing with you, but if that's the realistic expectation then I can tell you right now, I would fail miserably every single time. My attitude is I hire them, I pay them to do a job, and I expect them to do that job. Which includes making sure I'm not going to say something that makes me look like an ass. In fact I would probably make that the very first bullet point on their one-pager job description sheet. Do not under any circumstances do anything that makes me look like an ass.

So really what we're talking about here is that Trumps wife sucks at hiring underlings.

Yes, she was remiss.  If I am going on a national TV broadcast I am making sure what I say is accurate or clearly stated as my opinion.  I say it, I own it.  If a hired speech writer makes a mistake and it is pointed out that that was the case, then I'd say that I made a mistake and that that was why.  I would not come on national TV the next morning and say that I wrote the speech.  I would apologize for the mistake, show what the mistake was and make any other comments that was needed.  As it was, if Melania had come on TV the next day and said that she did not realize that somebody else said what she had, I'd simply say I was sorry for not citing her, but that in this case, we agree on those particular concepts.  That would have solved any problem for her and even been a plus.

[stromboli]

Did you ever notice the standard nose job from the front?  It's like the nose doctors only know how to do one nose.  You want a nose job?  Look at Ms. Trump.  That's what you get, unless they blow it.

Something I happen to know... won't get into specifics. They have books with noses in them at plastic surgery offices. Now they have software that can take a set of photographs and superimpose a new nose on an old one. But if you see what looks familiar on a person it is because they selected model New Roman B, which happens to be popular. I can tell Julia Roberts had plastic surgery because I saw her nose in the book. 

[SGOS]

Something I happen to know... won't get into specifics. They have books with noses in them at plastic surgery offices. Now they have software that can take a set of photographs and superimpose a new nose on an old one. But if you see what looks familiar on a person it is because they selected model New Roman B, which happens to be popular. I can tell Julia Roberts had plastic surgery because I saw her nose in the book. 

What??  Do they name the noses after movie stars?  I'll take the Harrison Ford, please.  No wait.  Make that the Paul Newman.