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Started by pr126, June 16, 2016, 09:58:12 AM

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Baruch

Can't have your cake and eat it too, unless you are Marie Antoinette ;-)  There is either blowback due to post Cold War policy of Nato, or there is not.  I agree that post Cold War policy has been overly aggressive.  But it wasn't decided only in DC ... London, Paris and Berlin had input.  We have gone from Colonialism, to Neo-Colonialism to Neo-Neo-Colonialism since the end of the Cold War.  Neo-Neo-Colonialism isn't working out too well.  Not that I am surprised or care for bombing other people's countries.

You can thank Schengen specifically ... it only works if Europe is an island that can keep out the Third World.  Worst idea of all EU ideas, itself an idea cooked up in the CIA during the Cold War.
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drunkenshoe

Quote...it only works if Europe is an island that can keep out the Third World.  ...

Only if you don't have money. If you do, doesn't matter what you are doing, you are in. Fetullah Gulen has been livin in the US almost all his life. With his fortune. That has been used to install sharia schools deep in EU and all around the world.
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Flanker1Six

Quote from: Baruch on June 18, 2016, 10:22:47 AMYou can thank Schengen specifically ... it only works if Europe is an island that can keep out the Third World.  Worst idea of all EU ideas, itself an idea cooked up in the CIA during the Cold War.

No we didn't!! 

Did I say that out loud?    :headscratch:

Baruch

Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 18, 2016, 01:10:17 PM
Only if you don't have money. If you do, doesn't matter what you are doing, you are in. Fetullah Gulen has been livin in the US almost all his life. With his fortune. That has been used to install sharia schools deep in EU and all around the world.

He has free speech .... and probably CIA handled ... since Turkey is Nato yet not Nato.  The refugees didn't have money, yet people traffickers got them into Greece.  Back in the day the French harbored the Ayatollah ... how did that work out again?  The Salafists/Saudis aren't interested in Sufis .. they kill them.  You would be better with a follower of Rumi than a follower of Qutb.
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drunkenshoe

I keep forgetting that you guys have no idea of this man and what happened around him here, in the US and EU. He has had full American support for  along time. Aunt Hillary used to visit him for chats. Erdogan played the 'we are a team against secular Turkey" to him and then when he stepped his toe -money of course- he started a campaign to hunt all of his supporters down. By hunting down I mean closing every establishment, every place they had. He declared them against the country.

Oh yeah 'free speech'. Installing underground sharia schools all over Europe, brainwashing kids with fanatic bullshit. What have Europe done for decades? "Oh but we have freedom of religion and speech". Translation: "Nobody can touch us, we are Europe..." arrogance...lack of foresight...improvidence. Europe was also shaking her finger to Turkey because of ban of turban in those years. Lol it is like yesterday. Not that it was a good idea. But just an example for perspective.

All they needed to do was to modify laws and declare these establishments illegal. For fanatism and hate speech. Busting those schools. Imposing laws pushing standard education and prevent them. But nobody wanted to deal with it. Europe was too 'high and mighty' for outlawing religious fanaticism.

We have an uncouth saying. "Can't work your cock two hands on deck" I think that's a good one for the situation.

"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

Baruch

The relationship between Turkey and Europe is fraught with complications .. and bad memories.  I wish the best for y'all to work that out.  I have no idea why the US would give this Sufi refuge ... but I am sure Turks have plenty of conspiracy theories.  I also understand how Ataturk turned your country from a religious one to a secular one ... but could that last while Turkey is in the geography it is in?  Why didn't the US as it has done multiple times, sponsored a military coupe in Turkey to eliminate the resurgent Muslim militants?  The Kurdish problem is strictly an internal affair of course.  This must all go back to that secret deal that FDR cut with Ibn Saud back in 1944.  Since the 1980s, the US has been a big backer of extreme Islam and terrorism.  So far the US has supported the Arabs better than the British in 1919 ... and Israel also.  Britain being that duplicitous, defanged lion of yore.  I blame it all on Queen Victoria's gender.
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Don't do that.

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Baruch on June 19, 2016, 09:03:48 AM
The relationship between Turkey and Europe is fraught with complications .. and bad memories.  I wish the best for y'all to work that out.  I have no idea why the US would give this Sufi refuge ... but I am sure Turks have plenty of conspiracy theories.  I also understand how Ataturk turned your country from a religious one to a secular one ... but could that last while Turkey is in the geography it is in?  Why didn't the US as it has done multiple times, sponsored a military coupe in Turkey to eliminate the resurgent Muslim militants?  The Kurdish problem is strictly an internal affair of course.  This must all go back to that secret deal that FDR cut with Ibn Saud back in 1944.  Since the 1980s, the US has been a big backer of extreme Islam and terrorism.  So far the US has supported the Arabs better than the British in 1919 ... and Israel also.  Britain being that duplicitous, defanged lion of yore.  I blame it all on Queen Victoria's gender.

He is not a sufi refugee. He is a deep dark poisionous well, going undreground.

US sponsored military coupe in Turkey not once, but twice.

US also forced the shutting down of highly secular left institutions in Eastern and Southeastern Anatolia as a 'precaution' against the danger of USSR. It didn't fit with Americanisation. This is one of the examples.

A living example of people who was raised in those 'dangerous' 'commie' schools and institutions is Aziz Sancar among many others. Because this one you could find in English.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aziz_Sancar


"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

Nonsensei

Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 17, 2016, 03:42:33 PM
-There are nearly 1 500 000 British people emigrated to live in other EU countries.

-British people make the first group in all Europe that lives on overall EU wellfare.

-Only in 2014, 44 million British people made trips around EU via freedom of movement of EU laws.

-Brits are communicating with EU via EU since they have become a member. Just for the expertise on from diplomatics, to the cabinet secretary on trade they will pay for 'what should happen' if they leave which will cost handsome.

-Even though none of the conseuences will start to affect them soon, it will affect all the usual negotiations related to UK legitimacy, because why would EU let a member about to exit the union make any calls to begin with. Lawfully, EU has a right to hold UK responsible the moment it declared exit.

-While British trade is big with non European partners, if UK leaves the EU, it has to negotiate access to the EU market in exchange for continued acception to its rules. EU is a single market.

There are many things to drop here and UK leaving EU is pretty ridiculous. Esp. in long term...oy.


Overall, the whole Brexit is about MONEY. NOT about European culture minning itself with EU policies or refugees or immigrants. But then who would buy that propaganda? Americans. It's a good thing they only understand some English, eh? :lol:





LOL even in a post that has nothing to do with the United States you still manage to express your disdain for America.
And on the wings of a dream so far beyond reality
All alone in desperation now the time has come
Lost inside you\'ll never find, lost within my own mind
Day after day this misery must go on

Baruch

Unfortunately back then, anyone who the US disliked was conveniently labeled as Socialist or Communist.  Today, anyone the US dislikes is conveniently labeled pro-Russian.  Today it isn't enough to be labeled a Terrorist ... the old shibboleths of the 1950s are starting to come out of hiding.  Expect someone will bring up the "domino theory" any day now.
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Don't do that.

Jack89

Quote from: Nonsensei on June 20, 2016, 11:18:43 AM
LOL even in a post that has nothing to do with the United States you still manage to express your disdain for America.
I was thinking the same thing.

Baruch

Europeans and their allies ... don't get the US.  I am not sure even the British get the US.  So this is a common problem.  Not that understanding the US, would make anyone happy about the status quo.
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marom1963

Because of my ancestry, I've always had emotional ties to both Italy and the UK.
From the get, I was not a fan of the EU. I did like the Euro free trading zone - but not the idea of a united Europe.
I saw it leading to the inevitable erosion of national identities. While I was most concerned to preserve the British and Italian characters, I'm also eager to preserve the other European national identities - even that of Belgium, where the European capital is.
I would never have done away w/the currencies. That was doom for national identity.
And I was very happy to see my beloved Britain keep the pound - and very sorry to see the lire disappear - but also the franc and the mark.
I've used all of those currencies on my trips abroad. I did not mind paying the exchange fees. I saw it as a way of preserving national characters.
My point here is that I do not think that Islam is nearly the threat to Europe that Europe is to itself!
The Europeans need to increase their birth rates.
The Europeans need to begin to assert their national identities.
The British aren't the only ones who need to rethink the EU.
I wish the British would leave - then the others, one by one.
OMNIA DEPENDET ...

Baruch

Getting rid of exchange rates, by using a single currency, was for efficiency.  Efficiency will be maximized when all the Europeans speak German, and goose-step in the same direction and the same rhythm, like good bugs in an ant colony.  Queen Aunt Merkel would approve.  But this plan has a bug if the Arabs and Turks all move to Sweden and England.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Nonsensei on June 20, 2016, 11:18:43 AM
LOL even in a post that has nothing to do with the United States you still manage to express your disdain for America.

Current UK politics of leaving EU has nothing to do with US?!

:rotflmao:

About my 'disdain' for America, sorry your delicate eyes are hurt by simple criticism of world politics 101. May be you should stop reading my posts? But then considering you have been writing the same post to me without trying to engage anything I write...for how long now? I started to think that may be you are taking some sort of a pleasure or satisfaction from it? Serioulsy, there is no other explanation of following a poster in a loyal manner you dislike this much.


"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Jack89 on June 20, 2016, 01:11:34 PM
I was thinking the same thing.

Yeah I have seen your other two posts. :lol: Too bad we generally agree on those, eh?



Oh you guys are so transparent sometimes...lol
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp