Muhammad and Terror

[pr126]

Muhammad and Terror

If Muslims were to limit their imitation of Muhammad by brushing their teeth the way he did, Islam might have a legitimate place in the non-Muslim world.  But Muslims cannot pick and choose.  Once they believe that he was the “Messenger of God” -- the affirmation of faith contained in the shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith -- they are declaring their faith that everything he did was good because it was in furtherance of God’s cause -- including his violence against people who rejected him.

Muhammad’s body was reduced to dust nearly 14 centuries ago, but his spirit lives on in his Koran, which contains numerous incitements to violence against people who rejected him, and in the example of his behavior -- his sunna.   Every time suicide bombers blow themselves up, killing other people along with them, there is Muhammad.  When the 9/11 hijackers slammed their passenger airplanes into buildings, there was Muhammad in the cockpit with them.  Just today, as 50 people fell to the machine gun bullets of a Muslim who walked into a nightclub in Orlando, Florida, and opened fire, the spirit of Muhammad hovered in the background, nodding with approval.

It's All About Muhammad

[Baruch]

It is all about Alexander ..

It is all about Caesar ...

It is all about Constantine ...

It is all about William ...

It is all about Cromwell ...

Lets not neglect all the other perps, shall we?

Sure, Muhammad was a man of his times, same as these other guys.  Not excusing why every leader since time began wasn't Mahatma Gandhi ...

[pr126]

Its all about Alexander ..

It is all about Caesar ...

It is all about Constantine ...

It is all about William ...

It is all about Cromwell ...

Lets not neglect all the other perps, shall we?

Sure, Muhammad was a mad of his times, same as these other guys.  Not excusing why every leader since time began wasn't Mahatma Gandhi ...

The difference is that the people you have listed are not emulated or revered today.

It is a basic principle of Islam that a Muslim should follow the example of the Prophet Mohammad. This is stated in the Quran (Islam's holiest book) no less than 91 times.

Source

Nobody today idolizes Pol Pot and wants to emulate him. At least I don't think so.
He didn't make a religion of his ideology.

[Baruch]

Correct ... there is no leader today worth emulating IMHO.  I have a few past individuals that I admire.  Few choose to emulate people from past times ... though Sunni Muslims do.  Salafist Islam specifically promotes following Muhammad.  Sufi Muslims do not.  Shia Muslims follow ayatollahs of more recent vintage.  I am not sure to what extent Catholics choose to emulate the current Pope, I suspect it is limited to a faction among their clergy.  Monastic Buddhists do choose to emulate the Buddha.  Fundie Hindus try to emulate the mythical king Rama.  Confucians try to emulate Confucius, and Taoists try to emulate Lao Tzu.

But really, to follow Muhammad is to live in the E Central part of the Arabian peninsula and ride a camel, and annoy your fellow Arabs.  That is what he actually did.  Salafists are just as big a humbug as any other political ideology.  It was Caliph Umar who exported Islam beyond Arabia.  That is who the Salafists want to emulate.

So Brexit or not?  I think y'all would be fools not to cut ties with Germany and France asap.

[Flanker1Six]

They may have invented a lot of brilliant concepts/science, and clever physical things we still use today..........................they are certainly the sickest of the big three though.  Lucky us. 

[Baruch]

They may have invented a lot of brilliant concepts/science, and clever physical things we still use today..........................they are certainly the sickest of the big three though.  Lucky us.

The Caliph of Bagdad got sick.  His physicians couldn't heal him.  Someone said ... "Get a Greek physician!".  A Greek physician came and healed him.  So the Caliph said "I want more of this, in Baghdad and throughout my empire".  So let it be written, so let it be done.  But the Mongols, more than the Crusaders, said "Hulk smash!".  And so their society became defensive and broken for many centuries to come.  Arabs mostly preserved learning, but a few did new work.

[Jack89]

So Brexit or not?  I think y'all would be fools not to cut ties with Germany and France asap.

Absolutely.  Europe's self destructing from their own idiocy.  Britain needs to jump ship before it's too late.  Then again, it may be too late. 

[drunkenshoe]

The difference is that the people you have listed are not emulated or revered today.

Yeah, because you don't need to be a 'revered' commander or a prophet to do that today. You just need a national army and an industry in need to commit atrocity.

And a media to boost it as "The war against terrorism".

[drunkenshoe]

Britain needs to jump ship before it's too late.  Then again, it may be too late.

-There are nearly 1 500 000 British people emigrated to live in other EU countries.

-British people make the first group in all Europe that lives on overall EU wellfare.

-Only in 2014, 44 million British people made trips around EU via freedom of movement of EU laws.

-Brits are communicating with EU via EU since they have become a member. Just for the expertise on from diplomatics, to the cabinet secretary on trade they will pay for 'what should happen' if they leave which will cost handsome.

-Even though none of the conseuences will start to affect them soon, it will affect all the usual negotiations related to UK legitimacy, because why would EU let a member about to exit the union make any calls to begin with. Lawfully, EU has a right to hold UK responsible the moment it declared exit.

-While British trade is big with non European partners, if UK leaves the EU, it has to negotiate access to the EU market in exchange for continued acception to its rules. EU is a single market.

There are many things to drop here and UK leaving EU is pretty ridiculous. Esp. in long term...oy.


Overall, the whole Brexit is about MONEY. NOT about European culture minning itself with EU policies or refugees or immigrants. But then who would buy that propaganda? Americans. It's a good thing they only understand some English, eh?

[Baruch]

Yes it is about money.  The City of London is the biggest corruption on the planet ... for the better clients anyway, like Arab sheiks.

See, GB is a Trojan Horse, and like the proverbial camel, it is the Five Eyes putting their nose into the EU tent.  Problem is ... GB doesn't want to be sacrificed to Germany and France.  They should have thought of that earlier.  Of course officially the US wants GB to stay in the EU ... but then we aren't looking out for their best interests, or the best interests of the EU.  Merkel is a drug mule for the drug of cheap immigrants ... like the President of Mexico is to the US.  There probably was a plan for a trickle of immigrants from the ME, but Libya, Syria and Turkey have upset that apple cart.  This was to castrate the German unions and German socialist parties.

[drunkenshoe]

See, this is what you guys don't get. There is no such thing as UK being sacrificed to Germany and France. There is no threat whatsoever in the UK. This is about not being able to eat the cake.

The media campaign, the political game that was played on this was so successful, not to mention British-American media is a very easy target being in the hands of bunch od media corporates, the bullshit is unbreachable.

This is not an immigrant crisis. Merkel or whoever is not doing something with an 'evil' agenda, but trying to work out the material at hand. There is nothing extraordinary going on. You guys are reading/have read tons of hyped up bullshit, news feeds in taste of tabloids posted around by pr126 and the others for years and thinking this is real.

You are supposed to know about this UK politics at first hand. It's the same old story. Playing the aristocracy.

[pr126]

You heard the lady. Nothing to see here. Move on.

[drunkenshoe]

I love you too, honey.

Then I can't help but think, why you haven't started a dozen threads about UK leaving the EU; how amazing an idea and a superb vision is that...etc. Haven't seen one.

May be, I missed it?

[marom1963]

See, this is what you guys don't get. There is no such thing as UK being sacrificed to Germany and France. There is no threat whatsoever in the UK. This is about not being able to eat the cake.

The media campaign, the political game that was played on this was so successful, not to mention British-American media is a very easy target being in the hands of bunch od media corporates, the bullshit is unbreachable.

This is not an immigrant crisis. Merkel or whoever is not doing something with an 'evil' agenda, but trying to work out the material at hand. There is nothing extraordinary going on. You guys are reading/have read tons of hyped up bullshit, news feeds in taste of tabloids posted around by pr126 and the others for years and thinking this is real.

You are supposed to know about this UK politics at first hand. It's the same old story. Playing the aristocracy.

I don't know. What I do know is that my brother-in-law is Austrian. His family is very upset w/the immigrant crisis. Ever since Austria declared a moratorium on more immigrants and sealed its borders, the family has been relieved. They despise Merkel and think that she's got some nerve opening up Europe to this flood of immigrants who seem to have no intention of acclimating and who have caused endless problems wherever they have gone - rapes, vandalism, theft - you name it. You sit in a small country w/a tiny population that has a high standard of living and see how you feel about an influx of people who notoriously multiply like rabbits. Maybe your attitude would be different.

[drunkenshoe]

I don't know. What I do know is that my brother-in-law is Austrian. His family is very upset w/the immigrant crisis. Ever since Austria declared a moratorium on more immigrants and sealed its borders, the family has been relieved. They despise Merkel and think that she's got some nerve opening up Europe to this flood of immigrants who seem to have no intention of acclimating and who have caused endless problems wherever they have gone - rapes, vandalism, theft - you name it. You sit in a small country w/a tiny population that has a high standard of living and see how you feel about an influx of people who notoriously multiply like rabbits. Maybe your attitude would be different.

Do you really think that we are not in the same position? Why? Because it is a muslim country? What a distorted and condescending vision if that is the case. I do live in a little country with overwhelming issues under fire from attacks of two terrorist groups. The city and its culture I live in as opposite to those people's as it is to Austrians, marom. My personal attitude, actually nobody's personal attitude is important. People here HAVE the exact same attitude and outlook your brother and pr126 have. So there is no discirmnation at my side, nor living in a muslim country makes any difference.

The so called mimigrant crisis in Europe IS A LONG COMING result of countless policies and interventions, placing dictators-replacing them, inciting coups...everything made by USA and Europe and their allies -including the country I live in -for profit and benefit in a region already had nothing. It's not something that FELL from the sky all of a sudden or some sort of a religious conspiracy built against Europe.

Since 60s and 70s Europe happily jumped on the easy cheap work force for all the jobs they didn't want to do, their class system was 'elevated' and they didn't do anything to modify their system; assimilate those people, happily ignoring even that they existed. They continued to live in an ivory tower pushing, supporting whatever policy was the short cut to the profit, completely ignoring the reality of the world and the possible consequences of their actions-policies. European leaders, politicians, corporates do not give a fuck about how their people live. Exactly like the ones in the ME.

The first time I have read about the fatal water crisis in Syria, I was in my early 20s. I'm 40 now. I'm not going to even get into the US and old Russia arming fragmented groups in all over the ME. Or everything that has been going down since to the Afghanistan and Irak invasions just alone left more than ten millions of people moving around in a region that had nothing to begin with. NOTHING. I doubt that if you and me or anyone here could actually even understand that sense of HAVING NOTHING.

Everything has its consequences. Reality does not conform itself to people's desires and wishes, people are responsible with doing that; thinking ahead and create a reality that won't crush themselves in the end. Do you think I don't have the same attitude to people in my country? Turks, Russians, Brits, American, French, German...same piece of shit.

People are sitting here in bikinis with beer in hand at the shore in Ramadan and these people come here to work, - a rare group that is accepted- the cultural shock, the fear at both sides is overwhelming sometimes. They are so fucking scared, they do not know how to react or what to do, say. What for? What is all this for in the end? So the fucking filthy rich would be richer, the powerful would have more power. Most of are pretty normal, intelligent people, they are being pushed to support policies they don't approve, but they have to. They perfectly understand everything. So many real life drama is on. Girls being pushed to prostitution, people being forced to vote for the government, pushed into crime, mafia in a country they have no idea of, completeÅŸy different in culture, where everybody hates them.

And exactly like Europeans, majority of people here treat these people as if they came here to invade their country, as if the politicians they voted for, the policies they supported didn't result in this.

What does Europe do? Trying to dump all its fucking bullshit AND failure on to 'immigrant crisis', turning one of the greatest catastrophe of the recent human history into a 'rape campaign', porducing a slimy, hypocritical, racist, fascist series of polices so ridiculous in levels that people who actually has never interacted with an immigrant in their entire lives are making videos on how they are not prosecuted when they commited some sort of a crime. How crime, theft...this and that suddenly rose in their country. 

So it is not really as simple as living in 'a little country'. And I have NO PITY whatsoever for any soverign country -including mine- that has been fucking around the way they liked in an organised hierarchy between them and then when the time is up, pretending to be the 'victim' and start to scream their head off when it explodes on their ass. There is a perfect saying for this in English: "You made your bed, now fuck in it."


[I have been to Austria, yes it is a little cute country. I get the concern of your brother in law. But I'm also curious if his concern is really a life experience or a result of following a rabid, blood sucking, war mongering media directed by several companies or you know some friend's cousin's friend went through something horrible.]