Jesus--a man of peace?

[aitm]

That's ridiculous given you nothing of what I believe.

quotes the babble, quotes jebus, quotes the OT……claims we no nothing of his beliefs…..sure….and he says we are the ones misinterpreting the babble.

[Pipu.Diiding]

quotes the babble, quotes jebus, quotes the OT……claims we no nothing of his beliefs…..sure….and he says we are the ones misinterpreting the babble.

There are many instances people discover religion to religion only to realize there's no God hanging out in the clouds. Constantine probably was talking about Cheeses and not Jesus at that time and the people misunderstood him.

[Mike Cl]

There are many instances people discover religion to religion only to realize there's no God hanging out in the clouds. Constantine probably was talking about Cheeses and not Jesus at that time and the people misunderstood him.

You are from Singapore.  Yet, your command of the language and the way you phrase things often crack me up!  'Cheeses and not Jesus........' :)))))))))))))))))))))))) Love it.  I hope I did not give you the wrong impression by the question I asked if English was your second language.  You have a strong command of the language and how to use humor that is the hallmark of English being your first language.  In fact, I've often read people who only knew English, and they don't turn a phrase as well as you do. :) (Including myself all too often)

[Pipu.Diiding]

You are from Singapore.  Yet, your command of the language and the way you phrase things often crack me up!  'Cheeses and not Jesus........' :)))))))))))))))))))))))) Love it.  I hope I did not give you the wrong impression by the question I asked if English was your second language.  You have a strong command of the language and how to use humor that is the hallmark of English being your first language.  In fact, I've often read people who only knew English, and they don't turn a phrase as well as you do. :) (Including myself all too often)

No worries. I didn't feel offended at all. :)

[popsthebuilder]

So, you don't believe in a god and follow a religion?

I believe there is a GOD.

I don't follow any one religion though, or organized religion in general for that matter.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[gentle_dissident]

I believe there is a GOD.

I don't follow any one religion

I rest my case.

[popsthebuilder]

Not that I want to quibble, but when you say your 'faith' that means the core of what you think is right is not probable to anybody but you.  So, yes, you are blinded by your faith--that is what faith means--you don't need anything in the way of proof to think something is right.  That works for you, I guess, but leaves me cold. 

If you have read some of the material that did not make the bible, then you must realize that jesus is a fiction and was crafted into the jesus that appears in the bible.  Why would the gospel of mary, or the secret gospel of mark--or any other of the 85+ gospels that were floating out there--be left out???  The answer is very easy to see--because it suited the political purposes of those that crafted that collection of writings.

How is my faith or what I believe not probable for any other, especially when all religious texts I have read so far seem to, at least coincide with it? Remember; my personal faith wasn't derived from indoctrination or reading of scripture in any way.

And I don't doubt for one second that the writings chosen for the canon bible were chosen for reasons other than them being solely of the right influence alone.

It is obvious to all, (or should be), that the early Catholic church was responsible for much deception and many atrocities, so yeah, it's safe to say they had ulterior motives, at least in part, or higher up.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Pipu.Diiding]

How is my faith or what I believe not probable for any other, especially when all religious texts I have read so far seem to, at least coincide with it? Remember; my personal faith wasn't derived from indoctrination or reading of scripture in any way.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

One thing all religion agrees on, no matter how many gods people acknowledge, there I always only one Devil.

[popsthebuilder]

One thing all religion agrees on, no matter how many gods people acknowledge, there I always only one Devil.

There are two directions. They are both within each of us.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Mike Cl]

There are two directions. They are both within each of us.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

That's interesting.  I find I agree.  But I would say that no person is good; or bad.  Every aspect of a person could be measured on a sliding scale.  One end is 'good' the other is 'bad'.  I would suggest that in each and every instance for each and every act or thought, that slider goes up and down.  All of us measure at a different level for each act or thought; and each and every time we do that act or thought.  None are all good or all bad, but a collection of differing measurements on that scale. 

The above has nothing to do with god.  It is simply how we are constructed and what we learn from our societies.   

[popsthebuilder]

That's interesting.  I find I agree.  But I would say that no person is good; or bad.  Every aspect of a person could be measured on a sliding scale.  One end is 'good' the other is 'bad'.  I would suggest that in each and every instance for each and every act or thought, that slider goes up and down.  All of us measure at a different level for each act or thought; and each and every time we do that act or thought.  None are all good or all bad, but a collection of differing measurements on that scale. 

The above has nothing to do with god.  It is simply how we are constructed and what we learn from our societies.

You assert that it has nothing to do with GOD. That doesn't make it so. I assert that the very laws that bind all existence are of GOD, so to me, we are too.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Mike Cl]

You assert that it has nothing to do with GOD. That doesn't make it so. I assert that the very laws that bind all existence are of GOD, so to me, we are too.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

So, of course you see it that way.  Your faith demands it.  You see god at every turn.  I see god nowhere.  I have never once seen anything from god--nothing.  And I understand that that lack of evidence as evidence against there being a god.  Put another way--I see as much evidence for Santa, The Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Faires as I do for any god.  And you cannot prove to me that The Tooth Fairy does not exist.   

[Pipu.Diiding]

You assert that it has nothing to do with GOD. That doesn't make it so. I assert that the very laws that bind all existence are of GOD, so to me, we are too.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I don't think it's God.
I believe it's our conscience that tells us which is wrong or right, and it is ourselves who decides whether to do the right thing or not.

Everyone has a conscience. Even those villagers who has never heard of God has it and they could still live harmoniously. So where is God present there? If God is present there, why do they not recognize God?

[Mike Cl]

I don't think it's God.
I believe it's our conscience that tells us which is wrong or right, and it is ourselves who decides whether to do the right thing or not.

Everyone has a conscience. Even those villagers who has never heard of God has it and they could still live harmoniously. So where is God present there? If God is present there, why do they not recognize God?

I agree.  But where do you think our conscience comes from??

[Pipu.Diiding]

I agree.  But where do you think our conscience comes from??

It's as simple as, if I cut myself and I feel pain, why would I cut others? Unless I'm angry, of course.