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7 MYTHS ABOUT EVOLUTION

Started by PickelledEggs, May 21, 2016, 01:19:10 PM

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PickelledEggs

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There are some myths about evolution and you should know them.

Mermaid

A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Hydra009

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Can you show a cat giving birth to a dog?  Checkmate, atheists.

But aside from the laughable creationist misconceptions of evolution (and just about everything), there are a few pretty bad misconceptions held even by normal people:

There's this idea that evolution is progressive - that it intrinsically produces more complex and "better" species.  No.  Fitness is dependent on environment, as the environment changes so do beneficial traits.  A good example of this are cave fish - they used to be able to see, but now they can't because the ability to see is not particularly advantageous in near/total darkness.  Moreover, this idea implies that there is a goal behind evolution, which clearly isn't the case.

Straightline evolution - a species invariably evolving in a single direction.  Sorry, doesn't happen.  Just ask Darwin's finches, which have different traits to exploit different food sources.  Likewise, this idea assumes an evolutionary goal, which is also wrong.

Baruch

Teleology comes from Aristotle, not Darwin.  Progressivism is the political equivalent.  Societies do change, sometimes for the worse.
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PickelledEggs

Quote from: Hydra009 on May 21, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
Can you show a cat giving birth to a dog?  Checkmate, atheists.

But aside from the laughable creationist misconceptions of evolution (and just about everything), there are a few pretty bad misconceptions held even by normal people:

There's this idea that evolution is progressive - that it intrinsically produces more complex and "better" species.  No.  Fitness is dependent on environment, as the environment changes so do beneficial traits.  A good example of this are cave fish - they used to be able to see, but now they can't because the ability to see is not particularly advantageous in near/total darkness.  Moreover, this idea implies that there is a goal behind evolution, which clearly isn't the case.

Straightline evolution - a species invariably evolving in a single direction.  Sorry, doesn't happen.  Just ask Darwin's finches, which have different traits to exploit different food sources.  Likewise, this idea assumes an evolutionary goal, which is also wrong.
yeah. A few of those misconceptions I know are held by normal people, even people that don't believe in creationism.

TomFoolery

Another one I've encountered is the idea that things "devolve." Evolution doesn't neatly work backward. If a species happens to revert to some previous trait, it's due to natural selection and gene flow within a population, but that's not speciation. The odds that all the previous alleles still exist within a population and would be selected for in just the right order and frequency to revert to some previous branch in the evolutionary tree is virtually impossible.

Yet I've had creationists and a few regular people stuck on this idea. Creationists will just ask you, "So you're telling me we could just turn back into monkeys someday?" A knew a guy on a science forum that was stuck on this idea of "saving" the big cat species from extinction by long-term domestication. He believed we could breed them down to roughly the size of domestic housecats, then if we ever came to our senses about the environment, we could just breed them back to a bigger size and turn them loose in the jungles and African savannas. He couldn't grasp the concept that it would take thousands of years and the end result wouldn't just be a tiny leopard or tiger.

He believed that since we've domesticated dogs but dogs are clearly capable of surviving on their own, it would be achievable with cats. A pack of feral dogs is just that: a pack of feral domestic dogs. They won't just magically turn back into wolves in a few generations. Given enough time, they'd evolve into something else.
How can you be sure my refusal to agree with your claim a symptom of my ignorance and not yours?

Baruch

Pigs are a counter-example .... they go feral very quickly, and grow hair and stuff.  It also doesn't help in the South, that imported Siberian wild boar are inter-breeding with them as well.  So some species are more ambi-modality than others.  Humans I think would revert to primitive ape men rather quickly, or at least that is what the first Planet Of The Apes movie taught me.  We might even loose practical speech, though not the ability to speak.
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Harassed

Quote from: Baruch on May 23, 2016, 12:55:02 PM
Pigs are a counter-example .... they go feral very quickly, and grow hair and stuff.  It also doesn't help in the South, that imported Siberian wild boar are inter-breeding with them as well.  So some species are more ambi-modality than others.  Humans I think would revert to primitive ape men rather quickly, or at least that is what the first Planet Of The Apes movie taught me.  We might even loose practical speech, though not the ability to speak.

Going feral in a few generations is mostly adaption.  How genes are expressed changes.  Not mutation.  Possibly epigenetic effects also.  Or natural selection for wild traits that increase survival rates.
Reverse evolve? Wrong concept.   :arghh:

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Hydra009

Quote from: Baruch on May 23, 2016, 12:55:02 PMWe might even loose practical speech, though not the ability to speak.
If you ask me, we're already loosing language.

Baruch

Quote from: Hydra009 on May 24, 2016, 11:17:39 AM
If you ask me, we're already loosing language.

I blame it on TV, and the decline of reading.  A very serious development!
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

Harassed

Quote from: Hydra009 on May 24, 2016, 11:17:39 AM
If you ask me, we're already loosing language.
Oh ya.  Like loosey goosey…..    a lost geese?
Languages, they evolve.  The future is here.  text away.
With 7 B people, this planet is like a runaway train.

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I'm Atheist/don't care since forever
Then Harassed by MENNONITE BRETHREN ORGANIZED CRIME
Like I'm on their top 10, atheist devil list
24/7 surveillance, swarming, stalking, character defamation, threats, intimidation
Their false image will be exposed
Thumpers want to take me to court. Go ahead

Baruch

Quote from: Harassed on May 26, 2016, 10:58:49 AM
Oh ya.  Like loosey goosey…..    a lost geese?
Languages, they evolve.  The future is here.  text away.
With 7 B people, this planet is like a runaway train.

GRATEFUL DEAD CASEY JONES ON COKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcB9wlmnDPY

Back to planet of the inarticulate apes.  Humanity was over-rated.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

widdershins

Quote from: Mermaid on May 21, 2016, 01:42:46 PM
Blasphemy. I ain't no ape.
That reminds me of one of my favorite old anti-evolution arguments from my youth.  My pastor used it many times.

"YOU may be a monkey, but I'm not!"
This sentence is a lie...