How can anyone be a Catholic is beyond reason…..

[Randy Carson]

Between 2 and 3 TRILLION dollars is the estimate of the RCC's worth! Could wipe out hunger and/or provide drinking water for the world. But maybe there is some legal tender in their afterlife and they are just planning ahead? A celestial casino?

For how long? Great!

Then what? People get hungry and thirsty again.

Matthew 26:6-13
6 While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of Simon the Leper, 7 a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.

8 When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. “Why this waste?” they asked. 9 “This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor.”

10 Aware of this, Jesus said to them, “Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11 The poor you will always have with you,[a] but you will not always have me. 12 When she poured this perfume on my body, she did it to prepare me for burial. 13 Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”

[Randy Carson]

The problem with this idea is that it's a one shot deal.  Sure, you might feed millions and temporary relieve the suffering of countless of people today, but what about tomorrow?  I've said this before, the riches of the catholic church significantly add to their ability to bring in the billions of dollars a year.  Marketing is everything.

Success does tend to be contagious...

[widdershins]

Success does tend to be contagious...

So is herpes...

[reasonist]

For how long? Great!

Then what? People get hungry and thirsty again.

Uhm no. Drilling wells, building desalination plants, giving livestock like cattle, goats or sheep makes people self sufficient. Give someone a fish, he eats for a day. Teach someone to fish.....you get it I am sure.

I repeat: Why did the RCC find it necessary to torture and kill hundreds of thousands if all the FACTS and evidence is in their favor? If you can prove your claims, you don't have to worry about dissent or competition. That's why it's called evidence. If the only way to get evidence across is by torture, the evidence must be weak or non existent.

[Mike Cl]

Out for a troll today, Mike? As usual?

Does having a personal relationship with God mean that he forces you to do things you don't want to do or prevents you from doing things you do want to do?

heh...you're not married are you?

With you only a troll is possible.  Am I married?  Not to the church.

[Randy Carson]

Uhm no. Drilling wells, building desalination plants, giving livestock like cattle, goats or sheep makes people self sufficient. Give someone a fish, he eats for a day. Teach someone to fish.....you get it I am sure.

I repeat: Why did the RCC find it necessary to torture and kill hundreds of thousands if all the FACTS and evidence is in their favor? If you can prove your claims, you don't have to worry about dissent or competition. That's why it's called evidence. If the only way to get evidence across is by torture, the evidence must be weak or non existent.

Gosh, we did that a lot...like all the time practically. So, which time?

[Randy Carson]

With you only a troll is possible.  Am I married?  Not to the church.

Or in a church?

[doorknob]

Gosh, we did that a lot...like all the time practically. So, which time?

why don't you pick one of those times then go from there?

[21CIconoclast]

Why is this true?

The Church needs buildings in which to conduct its meetings and to run its day-to-day affairs. Sports franchises build big stadiums to host their events...why can't a Church build the facilities it needs for services, for hospitals, for orphanages or for universities? Do these things not provide a way of giving back to the poor?

The fact is that the Catholic Church maintains many of its buildings in the same way that the US Government maintains national parks, monuments, and historic buildings. Should the government sell all of its land and property to pay off the national debt? Or is there some advantage in maintaining these treasures so that everyone can enjoy them? Similarly, the Church holds its property, art, libraries and archives as treasures open to all.

Sadly, there is little cash flow generated from these things relative to the cost of upkeep, so the Vatican routinely needs to request additional money just to break-even on an annual basis. This annual collection is called "Peter's Pence."

Are you envious that people have donated their time and money to glorify God through works of art and fine architecture? Does the Church have the right to take what has been donated to God in past centuries and put it all on the auction block without regard for what the original donors desired?

Finally, if the Church wanted to sell some of its churches, to whom would it sell them? Who is in the market for something like this:

Randy,

Your primitive Catholic church is worth BILLIONS, upon BILLIONS, and they're NOT following Jesus' words by taking care of ALL of the poor, FACT! You sicken people when you try in vain to defend your church when they outright go against Jesus' words!  Can you say HYPOCRITICAL? Sure you can!

CATHOLIC CHURCH BIGGEST FINANCIAL ORGANIZATION ON EARTH
http://humansarefree.com/2012/03/christian-church-is-biggest-financial.html





As for what to do with Catholic churches, well, Europe has a lot of ideas when your church sells their churches because of the drastic decline of your primitive faith in the European countries!

Empty Churches Go On Sale in Europe as Christian Faith Declines
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/1/12/1357344/-Empty-Churches-Go-On-Sale-in-Europe-as-Christian-Faith-Declines

The irony is the FACT that 2/3 of the existing primitive Catholic churches in Europe will close in the next decade.  Some have already been sold, and in certain cases, they were made into Skating Rinks, which is a more truthful and viable use of a former Catholic church!

In the USA, we’re the new kid on the block, so it will take longer to close Catholic churches here, and in doing so, it will eliminate your dens of inequity and their spin relating to your serial killing Yahweh god and his doctrine to the ignorant inept minds.

Randy, sorry but logic and reason are returning in the 21st century, and the Christian faith, no matter what DIVISION of said faith, are being jettisoned and left behind where they belong, in the mythical past! 

The current younger crowd are not swallowing the biblical facts of talking snakes and donkeys, where virgins on their wedding night should be murdered, where gays should also be murdered, where Yahweh committed abortions, smashed babies upon the rocks, having women ripped open with child, the Great Flood where he murdered his creation just because he was upset with them, boo hoo. Did I mention the comical and contradicting Creation narratives, another reason the Bronze and Iron Age faith of Christianity is declining.

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/

Randy, you may live long enough to see Christianity, especially the Catholic version, fully decline to the point of a mere existence in the USA, won’t that be a memorable event for you as you hang on to that last mythical straw?

[Randy Carson]

Randy,

Your primitive Catholic church is worth BILLIONS, upon BILLIONS, and they're NOT following Jesus' words by taking care of ALL of the poor, FACT! You sicken people when you try in vain to defend your church when they outright go against Jesus' words!  Can you say HYPOCRITICAL? Sure you can!

CATHOLIC CHURCH BIGGEST FINANCIAL ORGANIZATION ON EARTH
http://humansarefree.com/2012/03/christian-church-is-biggest-financial.html





As for what to do with Catholic churches, well, Europe has a lot of ideas when your church sells their churches because of the drastic decline of your primitive faith in the European countries!

Empty Churches Go On Sale in Europe as Christian Faith Declines
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/1/12/1357344/-Empty-Churches-Go-On-Sale-in-Europe-as-Christian-Faith-Declines

The irony is the FACT that 2/3 of the existing primitive Catholic churches in Europe will close in the next decade.  Some have already been sold, and in certain cases, they were made into Skating Rinks, which is a more truthful and viable use of a former Catholic church!

In the USA, we’re the new kid on the block, so it will take longer to close Catholic churches here, and in doing so, it will eliminate your dens of inequity and their spin relating to your serial killing Yahweh god and his doctrine to the ignorant inept minds.

Randy, sorry but logic and reason are returning in the 21st century, and the Christian faith, no matter what DIVISION of said faith, are being jettisoned and left behind where they belong, in the mythical past! 

The current younger crowd are not swallowing the biblical facts of talking snakes and donkeys, where virgins on their wedding night should be murdered, where gays should also be murdered, where Yahweh committed abortions, smashed babies upon the rocks, having women ripped open with child, the Great Flood where he murdered his creation just because he was upset with them, boo hoo. Did I mention the comical and contradicting Creation narratives, another reason the Bronze and Iron Age faith of Christianity is declining.

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/

Randy, you may live long enough to see Christianity, especially the Catholic version, fully decline to the point of a mere existence in the USA, won’t that be a memorable event for you as you hang on to that last mythical straw?

I have to say, 21C, that you've really shown me something about your knowledge of the Bible.

Now, this is troubling to learn that the Church might simply disappear in my lifetime. Doesn't the Bible say anything at all about the Church surviving somehow?

Please tell me I have some reason for hope!

[Mike Cl]

Or in a church?

Nope, not in a church--but my wife has married several in a church.

[Randy Carson]

Nope, not in a church--but my wife has married several in a church.

Okay, you are married. Which was my question to begin with.

That was easy.

[Mike Cl]

Which was my question to begin with.

Uhh............what was your question to begin with? 

[reasonist]

Gosh, we did that a lot...like all the time practically. So, which time?

Does it matter? Inquisition maybe? 700 years of uninhibited slaughter and theft. For what? To get their facts across?
I really put it as simple as possible and not just once, a few times. But as the flock usually does, you practice selective reading.
This is a point you cannot whitewash in any way shape or form. You/the church claim to have the FACTS and EVIDENCE. If that is true, then why torture and kill scores of people? You don't have to conceal the truth with mass murder.

[reasonist]

Uhm no. Drilling wells, building desalination plants, giving livestock like cattle, goats or sheep makes people self sufficient. Give someone a fish, he eats for a day. Teach someone to fish.....you get it I am sure.

I repeat: Why did the RCC find it necessary to torture and kill hundreds of thousands if all the FACTS and evidence is in their favor? If you can prove your claims, you don't have to worry about dissent or competition. That's why it's called evidence. If the only way to get evidence across is by torture, the evidence must be weak or non existent.