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Political/Government General Discussion / Re: Impeach Trump????
« Last post by Baruch on June 26, 2019, 05:17:03 PM »
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Maybe a president can't do that without consent of the congress. But then, we're not supposed to go to war, either, without the consent of congress, as a declaration of war. But the executive branch has gotten around that obstacle, so who knows what they might do.

Correct.  Congress loves plausible deniability, it helps them get re-elected.  The US was not supposed to be an "executive" state but a "legislative" state.  But that died in 1861.  Again in 1917 and 1941.  Pretty much since 1941, the US is a democratic warmongering dictatorship.
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Political/Government General Discussion / Re: Impeach Trump????
« Last post by Baruch on June 26, 2019, 05:14:09 PM »
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I expect Uncle Scam to declare martial law at some point before he leaves office. I hope I'm wrong about that, though.

No need.  Sheep know when they need to the sheared.  They are domesticated animals, not wild.
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Political/Government General Discussion / Re: WTH ALABAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
« Last post by Baruch on June 26, 2019, 05:07:23 PM »
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At least Baruch doesn't recite Vogon poetry! LOL

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ܐܠܠ ܗܐܝܠ ܟܥܟܝܣܛܐܢ
ܦܪܐܝܣܥ
ܟܥܟܝܣܛܐܢ
ܟܥܟܝܣܛܐܢܝ
ܦܥܦܥ
ܠܝܒܥܪܛܝ
ܠܝܒܥܪܐܛܥ


The prophecies of Pepe, priest of Kek ... are much better than Vogon poetry.
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Political/Government General Discussion / Re: Impeach Trump????
« Last post by Unbeliever on June 26, 2019, 05:01:04 PM »
Trump has become the soap Nazi - "No soap for you!"
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Religion General Discussion / Re: Could "the real god" convert you?
« Last post by Baruch on June 26, 2019, 05:00:43 PM »
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But hey...at least in Malachi, I will be corrected by the resident expert if wrong, old god offers the grand reward of a large flock of rams. Ahhh. good ole up-wit-it god.

Book of Malachi?  A minor prophet.  Misplaced in Christian Bibles to the end of the OT, to reinforce the theology that Malachi predicts the Christ.

Basically Malachi is about ... the ongoing love of G-d, of the Israelites, in spite of their constant backsliding.

Basically the audience of Malachi have had blessings, but not enough to convince them that G-d still loves them.  Malachi counters this.

Yes, a large flock of rams is worth something, but only if you have lots of ewes.  Male sheep can't reproduce on their own.
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Religion General Discussion / Re: Could "the real god" convert you?
« Last post by Baruch on June 26, 2019, 04:53:43 PM »
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huh, I don't recall that episode....

Too much recreational ... ?  We watched Star Trek and Time Tunnel religiously ;-)
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Religion General Discussion / Re: Could "the real god" convert you?
« Last post by Baruch on June 26, 2019, 04:52:42 PM »
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That's fine. Contrary to what apologists like to charge, I see nothing wrong with having a bias against the supernatural. If apologists cannot overcome skepticism, then whining about it probably won't do them much good.

Skepticism is good, but are you skeptical about skepticism?  If not, you will be nihilist.

The supernatural, as usually defined ... doesn't happen except in fiction.  Everything is natural, by materialist definition.  There are other definitions.  But rhetorically we tend toward only accepting one definition for a word, that conveniently matches the one we want to use.

I don't accept any supernatural events (as defined above) in any scripture or other writing or verbal claim of living people.  Same reason why I don't accept any claims of UFOs ... in spite of recent hype from the US Navy.  Until you have one land on the White House lawn, I doubt it.  Usually claims of UFOs imply super-physics that runs contrary to known physics.  Super-physics is the love of sci-fi.  But new physics doesn't contradict old physics, it adapts old physics to new circumstances, and we continue to use old physics for common purpose.  We had conservation of energy and conservation of mass.  Turns out that in very special conditions (nuclear reactions) those are both violated, but the combined conservation of mass-energy is not.  The new physics of Special Relativity, didn't result in warp drive or a free lunch.  Sorry, if it directly contradicts, under conventional conditions, what we already know from conventional physics ... then it is science fantasy, not science fiction.  Jules Verne worked in science fiction, not science fantasy, and even he got things wrong at times (giant cannon to send people to the Moon).  Mostly today we have science fantasy, that is as fictional as the Bible.  Serves the same purpose for modern people, as Bibie stories served ancient Jewish people.
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Religion General Discussion / Re: How many GODS do you have?
« Last post by Baruch on June 26, 2019, 04:42:29 PM »
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You inability to see what is right in front of your face is astounding!  Atheists don't 'believe' in anything.  Theists do that.  For example, I don't 'believe' the sun will rise tomorrow.  I think (know) it will for the simple reason is that science explains what that little phrase means.  My knowledge of the 'sun rising' comes from facts.  So, facts allow me to know the sun will rise--until one day in the far far future it will not.  'Belief' does not need proof other than what one feels.  My knowledge comes from facts.  And you and facts just don't know each other.  I have met few who simply love to reveal their ignorance, and to revel in it to the extent you do.  But if being blind gets you thru life, then that's what you have to do.

Belief isn't about what is right in front of your face.  By definition, it is something that is invisible (per Paul) ... hope for something not seen.

I agree, believe in nothing, unless it is right in front of you.  That is why I take the existence of Trump with a lump of salt.

But belief isn't just about what one feels, that is an attempt to deny EQ vs IQ.  Vulcan vs Human.  Hope is a "feel".  So is "fear".  The future is a mix of emotions, that of "hope" and "fear".  And therefore not a fact, until it is the present/past.  Other reasons for belief is as a "thought experiment" ... the "as if".  But not the same meaning as the other one.  Other meanings are ... plausible hypothesis (not the same as thought experiment) aka probable cause.  As in ... I looked at my cards, and I have two jacks, so I have some probability of winning the hand.
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Religion General Discussion / Re: How many GODS do you have?
« Last post by Unbeliever on June 26, 2019, 04:17:39 PM »
Well, I think it was Mae West who said "A hard life is good to find."
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Religion General Discussion / Re: How many GODS do you have?
« Last post by aitm on June 26, 2019, 04:15:20 PM »
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   There is a very good reason why in permanent body death the same people do not come back in the same body.
Life is hard enough as it is.   

Life is hard enough as it is......thats if folks!! The grand answer to all your questions. Life is hard enough as it is.
Write that one down. Arik wins!


Life is hard enough as it is.......sheeesh....what a twit.
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