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General Discussion / Re: Buddhism for atheists
« Last post by Mike Cl on Today at 11:31:25 AM »
I'm not advocating superstition. I'm well aware of religion's harms. However, there are parts of religion which don't require belief in nonsense or adherence to dogma. I can tell you as someone from the south, going to church on Sunday is the best day of the week. You get up, put on some nice clothes, you drive out to church with your family, you get together, you sing songs, you express concern and love for each other, and you go home for food and hang out afterwards. Church is very enjoyable, and those parts of Christianity could be harnessed without carrying forth the preposterous beliefs.
Then what keeps you from it????
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Most of the people back then didn't expect to have a say in the government or any changes to the governance.
Judging by today's interest in voting it might be pretty much the same today, I never voted until late in my 20s, mostly because I didn't think I could make any difference.  I still feel that.  Voting for me is mostly out of sense of obligation, but still feels much like a exercise in futility.
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General Discussion / Re: Buddhism for atheists
« Last post by MyelinSheath on Today at 11:07:49 AM »
I'm not advocating superstition. I'm well aware of religion's harms. However, there are parts of religion which don't require belief in nonsense or adherence to dogma. I can tell you as someone from the south, going to church on Sunday is the best day of the week. You get up, put on some nice clothes, you drive out to church with your family, you get together, you sing songs, you express concern and love for each other, and you go home for food and hang out afterwards. Church is very enjoyable, and those parts of Christianity could be harnessed without carrying forth the preposterous beliefs.
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Most of the people back then didn't expect to have a say in the government or any changes to the governance.
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Most people weren't slave-owners.  The majority worked for themselves.  It is typical that people follow the politics of the wealthiest.  And that is not a good way of thinking.
Slave-owning is  bad now. For most of history it just was. Retrofitting today's morality on the 1700s is rather bizarre.
I agree, but my point was that the country was set up by the self interests of those who stood to make a lot more money, not the country as a whole, and much of the country was even opposed to setting up a new type of government.  Slavery as you say, "just was",  and remained so, because blacks had no say in the structure of the new government, not because of any moral questions then or now. 

In retrospect, I should not have included the part about slavery, because it implies moral issues were heavily involved in the thought process.  They were to some extent, but it was mostly about the financial gain of the wealthy, which remains at the forefront of our political structure today.
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No creation, no Creator.  Time is an illusion ... no creation without time.  So ... G-d doesn't create because G-d doesn't have the time ;-)

Yes, a human is far superior to an atom ... even superior to a paramecium ... though aitm denies that.
After 'No creation, no Creator. ', you lost me.  God does not create because god is a fiction--he/she was invented by man.  I suppose one could say that humans are superior to an atom.  But what does that mean?  Seems a bit nonsensical to me.  And an atom, currently, is not defined as life.  I don't see any lifeform as being superior to another--just different.  And I'm not saying that all life is equal or should even exist.  And I'm not saying I don't kill other lifeforms--I do.  All of us do, for we have no choice.  We kill, at the very least, life within our own bodies and on our bodies every minute of every day.  Even if we kill ourselves we would then still be killing the organisms that have a symbiotic relationship with us.  Anyway, labeling one life form as superior or inferior does little to add to our understanding of our very real physical world.
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General Discussion / Re: Buddhism for atheists
« Last post by Mike Cl on Today at 10:20:34 AM »
You know, I think most, if not all, atheists who are former believers have gone through that initial period when they felt angry about religion and wanted to see the destruction of religion. But I can say that I personally have passed that point, and I now see the religion as something that has, and will likely always be with us as a species. I see that there are many parts of religion that have helped us succeed and survive, and have helped us live comfortable and inspired lives. As someone who will likely be an atheist for the rest of my life, I'm more focused on extracting the parts of religion that I think are good (and even necessary) for our culture, and getting rid of dogma. Like I said before, I love church, and I can't imagine the culture I was raised in without the enrichment church brings to people's lives. I want nothing more than to keep that. Lets just get people on board with science, let's get people educated on philosophy, rhetoric, and how to think rationally, and lets let them have their rich spiritual lives too. It can be done. And I think it can actually be done easily if we could just get people on board.
Actually, I have had that same set of feelings/thoughts; but I passed through them and am now back at hatred for and of religion.  What I mean is that I think the single most destructive force in every society is the hierarchy that grows up around organized religion.  And that hierarchy is what is destructive; it wants only to enhance that hierarchy and the individuals of that religion are only a means to that objective.  And that objective is to be reached and maintained at all costs.
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oh hatched......
You're confusing me with Mothra. Easy mistake, we both have big pretty wings and six legs.
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General Discussion / Re: The reality that we'll die some day
« Last post by Gawdzilla Sama on Today at 07:55:54 AM »
Consciousness and soul are not the same.  Soul is religious crap. 
I meant as a substitute for the woo word.
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I looked, but can't find the meaning of "FED" in this context...
Look under "banking".
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