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Religion General Discussion / Re: We're number one!
« Last post by trdsf on Today at 12:45:19 PM »
Well, again, the rankings are probably fine. But if you don't add the 20% oldest people of the participating countries (in Belgium it's about 18% of the population that is over the age of 65) into the equation when it comes to religion, I do suspect you get an overrepressentation of the 'negative' answers. Over here, it seems to me, most of the elderly are more lenient to religion. They were raised with it more. Its people like my grandparents that still define themselves as christian, at least more on a relative scale.
I believe their measurements are correct. And I'm sure they can use that data as representative for the population of these countries ranging from the ages of 16 (or 18) to 65. But if you were to add the +65 age-group, I think your total scores per country would lower. So you can't say 68% of Belgians think lowly of religion. You can only say 68% of Belgians between ages 16 and 65 think lowly of religion.
If that's the only range they polled, then yes, that's the correct inference to draw.  However, if you know the size of the over-65 population, you can make intelligent estimates about where the nation stands on the question.  I doubt, however, that there are enough to push that 68% to under 50% even if they all expressed a low opinion of religion.

Looking it up, the over-65s make up 18% of the population, so we can peg a range.  Even if all over-65s do not have a low view of religion, the percentage drops to 55.8% -- still a significant majority.  If they all have a low opinion, it jumps to 73.8%.

Either one is indicative of Belgium rapidly becoming a society separating itself from organized religion.  Whether that means people are moving to deism or personal religion or atheism/agnosticism, I don't know -- probably, though, since a 2015 poll showed that 32% of Belgians identify as either atheist (14.9%) or agnostic/non-religious (17.1%).

Edit: My apologies, you gave the percent of over-65s and I glossed right over it in the race to make a point; I didn't need to look it up.  :D
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Religion General Discussion / Re: We're number one!
« Last post by Baruch on Today at 12:40:40 PM »
Europeans are much more into political ideology ... utopias, dystopias ... ;-(
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Religion General Discussion / Re: Blasphemy doeth good like a medicine.
« Last post by Baruch on Today at 12:39:33 PM »
Nearly forty years ago poolside at my apartment complex amongst a group and we had some clouds and a few bolts of lightning, somebody said some kind of "god is angry" crap so I grabbed a aluminum umbrella and stood on the diving board, "god does't have the balls to hit me with lightning".

Now I am convinced that the average xian has a great deal of uncertainty and doubt, they know prayer really hardly ever works, and yet when I shouted that line, 10 of the 15 or so there, literally fell over chairs and tables trying to escape the confines of the pool area. I laughed my but off.

Don't repeat that at home, kids ... OSHA won't approve.
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Religion General Discussion / Re: Why beliefs do not deserve respect
« Last post by aitm on Today at 12:29:32 PM »
Ah, respect is over-rated anyway. All I ask for is civility, not respect. I don't usually care what people think of me, which is what the desire for respect is all about.

Exactly my position.
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No one is asking me to force you to read these threads, and yet I am still forcing you to read them?

Alrighty then. I'm not sure how I feel about having that type of power over you. If you want it back, or know someone else who wants it, hit me up because I'de be glad to give it to someone else.
Uhhh what? I never said you forced me to do anything. I'm just bored and felt like discussing the topic. Sorry not everyone is not completely in agreement with you

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No one is asking you to, and yet you still are.

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No one is asking me to force you to read these threads, and yet I am still forcing you to read them?

Alrighty then. I'm not sure how I feel about having that type of power over you. If you want it back, or know someone else who wants it, hit me up because I'de be glad to give it to someone else.

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Religion General Discussion / Re: Blasphemy doeth good like a medicine.
« Last post by aitm on Today at 12:21:51 PM »
Nearly forty years ago poolside at my apartment complex amongst a group and we had some clouds and a few bolts of lightning, somebody said some kind of "god is angry" crap so I grabbed a aluminum umbrella and stood on the diving board, "god does't have the balls to hit me with lightning".

Now I am convinced that the average xian has a great deal of uncertainty and doubt, they know prayer really hardly ever works, and yet when I shouted that line, 10 of the 15 or so there, literally fell over chairs and tables trying to escape the confines of the pool area. I laughed my but off.
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Yeah, as much as I don't like Trump, I am not sure this isn't one of those times where good intention just came out wrong. I wonder if the guy has any empathy at all. "He knew what he was getting into" , could easily be seen as a compliment. "He knew what he was getting into but still went".. is that not what we expect our "hero's" to do?
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And let's be clear here. I hate Trump as our president, but more than half the shit that is whined about on liberal media isn't even close to  newsworthy

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No one is asking you to, and yet you still are.

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