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Islam / Re: Slavery. The Bible and Quran.
« Last post by Mousetrap on Today at 07:58:36 AM »
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I read the Bible daily friend.

I saw no quotes from the Quran or Bible.

What don't you get about mercy nit equalling owning slaves?

In the Torah slaves ( of the sexual sort even) were considered the spoils of war.

You sent want to disagree.

The Bible doesn't condone slavery as one cannot love their neighbor and too inslave them. Similarly; you cannot be merciful to your fellow man and also enslave them.

Is your point to make Islam the odd one out?

How much of the Quran have you studied?
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I read the Quran about 10 times and summarized it.
I have 8 English translations.
I use Corpus Quran to assist me in finding the original Arabic translations.
I studied the Sahi Bukhari, and Muslim.
I summarized both.
I read 3 sirat of Muhammad and a al al-maghazi.
I have 4 different Arabic manuscripts, or as you will say, VERSIONS. (WHICH YOU DONT LIKE CHRISTINS TO KNOW ABOUT.)
the Hafs Quran
Warsh' Quran
Qualoon Quran
and al Duri.

These 4 different Quran's were bought here.
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Islam / Re: Slavery. The Bible and Quran.
« Last post by Mousetrap on Today at 07:44:26 AM »
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People in the old south claimed to treat their slaves humanely as well.

Also, what makes you think that old Israel particularly humanely compared to their neighbors? The abuses I outlined are self-reported and are to be taken with a grain of salt. The point was is that the Israelis sorry, Israelites were doing onto other people what the Egyptians did onto them, only 'better' — or so it is claimed.
Because it saves keystrokes. No other reason. You know what I meant.
Well, If you suggest that the Israelites might have mistreated their slaves, I can only but agree that they might have done so.
However, you should also know that this was not what the Bible prescribed.
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Islam / Re: Slavery. The Bible and Quran.
« Last post by Mousetrap on Today at 07:40:52 AM »
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Hey Mousedroppings,

Do you know Piet Strydom?

Your post above (post #2) ==>  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
is a word for word cut and paste from here  ==>  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

A few other posts you made in this thread are likewise word for word cut and paste jobs from Strydom's page.

Here, you claim to have written some of this yourself in 2010:
Again, do you know Piet Strydom?  Are you plagiarizing?
I will never plagiarize,
But great stuff in google search, or did you perhaps get an e mail from me when I sent the letter to Yusuf Ismail?
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True Baruch,
Now, I see it as, when the special rocket departs from the Earth at 1C, at exactly 12H00,
When the rocket left the Earth.
1.the clock on the Moon showed 11H59s59 (because it took the light to travel one second to arrive on Earth, from the clock on the moon)
The Clock on the Earth showed 12H00
and the clock on the Rocket was also at 12H00.
 When the rocket arrived at the moon
2. The clock on the Earth showed 12H00s01
The clock on the Moon showed 12H00s00 Because the light took 1 sec to travel to the Earth and 1 second passed since the rocket departed and arrived on the Moon)
and the rocket's clock also showed 12H00s00. (because the rocket traveled with its light that showed the clock was at 12H00 when it departed.)

When the rocket reached halfway to the Moon,
the Earth's clock said 12H00s0.5
the Moon's clock said 11H59s0.5
and the Rocket's clock said 12H00s00

The above is an example of how we will note what the different time increments are when we look at different time frames.
On earth it will seem as if the clock on the rocket stood still, until it stopped on the Moon.
The clock on the moon will be one second later than ours, and upon the arrival of the rocket on the moon, the clock of the Rocket and Moon will appear to be one second later than Earth's.

If we do the same with this experiment, but this time from the point of view of the observer on the Moon, he will note the times exactly as how we saw the time frame on the rocket and moon. Except that the clock on the rocket will appear to take off from earth at 1 second before noon, but the clock on the rocket will appear to run twice as fast, and will gain 2 seconds until it arrives at 12H00s1 on the moon traveling only one second.

The pilot in the rocket will obviously see something totally different. If he leaves the Earth, he will see the Earth clock showing 12H00s00 untill he gets to the Moon. the Moon clock will show 11H59s01 and will seem to run twice as fast, and upon arrival will show 12H00s01, and would have gained 2 Seconds in one second travelling time.

3 different time frames, 3 different observations, but still, time did not dilate.
One second is still one second.
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True.
However, if we take time as we measure it, eg Radio active decay, Sun Earth Greenwich median, we will still have a measurable medium to determine how far light travels in a second.

In this instance we measure time in seconds with very special clocks that corresponds with the time light travels in a meter.
oh, lets round it up to 300 000 km per sec.

As we define time and distance.  But if you move along the light beam, per Einstein's imagination ... then you see things differently than Slomos like us.  There is a paradox about "c" that I won't go into here.  But suffice it to day, that you can define the speed of light to any finite positive number ... and often in quantum mechanics it is defined to be = 1.  The current metrology is so convinced, that now length is defined in terms of time (atomic vibration as standard) it isn't a palladium meter bar in Paris.
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Islam / Re: Slavery. The Bible and Quran.
« Last post by popsthebuilder on Today at 07:07:11 AM »


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I do not agree at all.
Here we are again having a claim made on the Quran where the contents of the Quran is totally ignored.
1. Muhammad had slaves. at one stage Mohammad had at lease 5 sex slaves which he obtained as booty when he killed off Jewish tribes.
Let me show you:What about:Oh, and also:
This one was a bad example of Muhammad and mercy!and last but not least.And if you read all the verses in the Bible, you will see it does not condone slavery. The slavery in the Mosaic laws are humanitarian laws which I will gladly undergo.
Here we have a nice example of how poorly you read the Quran and Bible.
The Quran say Make slaves, and pimp them into prostetution!

The Bible say do not make slaves! You will loose everlasting life. do onto others as you want them to do onto you!How did you get to this conclusion. Not reading the Bible I presume.
The Torah is very clear that these laws were made by YHWH to ensure that the families of poor people were looked after. Now, go and read my posts again, and come and show me I am wrong.
To superficially suggest something is not facts.

I read daily friend


I didn't see any quotes from the quran or the Bible in your response.

Seems as if you want to disagree.

The whole Quran preaches mercy.

We are commanded to love our enemy in the Bible.

Neither of these things can be done if one owns another person as a slave against their desire or will.

It's really simple stuff.

Do you really need a quote of the Bible and Quran showing to love and show mercy?

Or is it that you cannot understand how such outright negates actual slavery?

peace

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There is no universal clock etc ... because the "Sensorium of G-d" from Newton, is fictional.
True.
However, if we take time as we measure it, eg Radio active decay, Sun Earth Greenwich median, we will still have a measurable medium to determine how far light travels in a second.

In this instance we measure time in seconds with very special clocks that corresponds with the time light travels in a meter.
oh, lets round it up to 300 000 km per sec.
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Islam / Re: Slavery. The Bible and Quran.
« Last post by popsthebuilder on Today at 06:49:06 AM »
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I do not agree at all.
Here we are again having a claim made on the Quran where the contents of the Quran is totally ignored.
1. Muhammad had slaves. at one stage Mohammad had at lease 5 sex slaves which he obtained as booty when he killed off Jewish tribes.
Let me show you:What about:Oh, and also:
This one was a bad example of Muhammad and mercy!and last but not least.And if you read all the verses in the Bible, you will see it does not condone slavery. The slavery in the Mosaic laws are humanitarian laws which I will gladly undergo.
Here we have a nice example of how poorly you read the Quran and Bible.
The Quran say Make slaves, and pimp them into prostetution!

The Bible say do not make slaves! You will loose everlasting life. do onto others as you want them to do onto you!How did you get to this conclusion. Not reading the Bible I presume.
The Torah is very clear that these laws were made by YHWH to ensure that the families of poor people were looked after. Now, go and read my posts again, and come and show me I am wrong.
To superficially suggest something is not facts.
I read the Bible daily friend.

I saw no quotes from the Quran or Bible.

What don't you get about mercy nit equalling owning slaves?

In the Torah slaves ( of the sexual sort even) were considered the spoils of war.

You sent want to disagree.

The Bible doesn't condone slavery as one cannot love their neighbor and too inslave them. Similarly; you cannot be merciful to your fellow man and also enslave them.

Is your point to make Islam the odd one out?

How much of the Quran have you studied?



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News Stories and Current Events / Re: Charlotteville tragedy anniversary
« Last post by pr126 on Today at 05:59:39 AM »
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Yes. Fox News. Deal with it.

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See what I mean?
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