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Title: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Cocoa Beware on April 26, 2016, 12:08:23 AM
Remember, these guys are our slaves, so it's okay if we smack 'em around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY

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Atlas, The Next Generation

On February 23, 2016, Boston Dynamics released video of a new version Atlas robot.
The new version of Atlas designed to operate both outdoors and inside buildings. It is specialized for mobile manipulation and is very adapt at walking over a wide range of undergrounds including snow.

It is electrically powered and hydraulically actuated. It uses sensors in its body and legs to balance, and it uses LIDAR (Light Detection And Ranging) and stereo sensors in its head to avoid obstacles, assess the terrain, help with navigation and manipulate objects, even when these are being moved.

This version of Atlas is about 175 cm (5 ft 9 in) tall (about a head shorter than the DRC Atlas) and weighs 180 lb (82 kg) lbs.
In the 2015 Darpa competition of robotics Atlas was able to complete all eight tasks as follows:

1. Drive a utility vehicle at the site.
2. Travel dismounted across rubble.
3. Remove debris blocking an entryway.
4. Open a door and enter a building.
5. Climb an industrial ladder and traverse an industrial walkway.
6. Use a tool to break through a concrete panel.
7. Locate and close a valve near a leaking pipe.
8. Connect a fire hose to a standpipe and turn on a valve

Apparently they are working on a few other projects, here is a funny looking prototype that runs really fast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chPanW0QWhA

My only concern is when the technological singularity arrives and these guys decide to pay us back for the genocide of their ancestors when we play video games.

Honestly, I had no idea robotics had come so far.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Hydra009 on April 26, 2016, 01:40:46 AM
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My only concern is when the technological singularity arrives and these guys decide to pay us back for the genocide of their ancestors when we play video games.
Having a sense of vengeance is a very human, not robotic, trait.  Hopefully, hypothetical sentient robots would understand that their development involved a lot of trial and error, sacrifice and servitude - initially as servants to assist humans with burdensome physical and intellectual tasks and eventually taking on a much larger role.

Robots are the heroes we deserve, not the heroes we need.  So we'll kick 'em to test their ability to balance themselves.  Because they can take it.  Because they're not our heroes.  They're our silent guardians, our watchful protectors.  Our dark knights.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on April 26, 2016, 06:50:51 AM
There is no Singularity ... that is techno-magic ... except the one between your ears ;-)

Robots are for manufacturing, and we don't need them wandering all over the factory floor.  A really smart wheelchair would be useful, for those who need one.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Mike Cl on April 26, 2016, 09:19:08 AM
I had no idea robots were this far along.  I wonder how far we are from a combat version?  Seems technology follows it's usual path here--sex industry and then killing people.  So, as seen in many movies and video games, either a robot companion for combat or an exoskeleton for combat--or both????  I have to pay more attention to the robots I create in Fallout 4 now.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Hydra009 on April 26, 2016, 10:55:29 AM
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I had no idea robots were this far along.  I wonder how far we are from a combat version?
If you count autonomous drones, we're pretty much already there.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Mike Cl on April 26, 2016, 11:39:03 AM
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If you count autonomous drones, we're pretty much already there.
Yeah, drones are robots.  But I was thinking of the companion types; the type that travels along with you.  Or even the 'power armor' type.  The military must be working on it.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on April 26, 2016, 12:43:15 PM
The reason why the recent military trial of a mechanical mule failed, it is too noisy.

There is also the economics ... you don't want a $1,000 missile taking out your $100,000 robot.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Mike Cl on April 26, 2016, 02:59:08 PM
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The reason why the recent military trial of a mechanical mule failed, it is too noisy.

There is also the economics ... you don't want a $1,000 missile taking out your $100,000 robot.
That $1,000 missile can still take out our million dollar soldier.  So, if a few $100,000 robots can argument the million dollar solider and it be taken out instead of the soldier, the military is $900,000  ahead.  Besides, the prototypes are always more expensive than the standard types later on.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Hydra009 on April 26, 2016, 03:11:44 PM
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Yeah, drones are robots.  But I was thinking of the companion types; the type that travels along with you.  Or even the 'power armor' type.  The military must be working on it.
Driverless non-combat vehicles (http://www.gizmag.com/us-army-autonomous-vehicles/32796/) are currently being looked at, maybe autonomous tanks in the future.

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That $1,000 missile can still take out our million dollar soldier.  So, if a few $100,000 robots can argument the million dollar solider and it be taken out instead of the soldier, the military is $900,000  ahead.
Plus, robots can do a ton of deployments and never get PTSD, don't need to be constantly trained and retrained, and never need to visit the VA.  Definitely a cost-saver in the long-term.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: gentle_dissident on April 26, 2016, 04:33:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHLvPp7AsXo
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on April 26, 2016, 05:27:07 PM
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Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Mike Cl on April 26, 2016, 05:31:35 PM
Thanks for the link, Hydra.  Yeah, I think it makes sense for the military to go in that direction.  Make a tank a drone--why not?
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: gentle_dissident on April 26, 2016, 06:48:31 PM
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There is also the economics ... you don't want a $1,000 missile taking out your $100,000 robot.
You can't hit what you can't see.

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Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: gentle_dissident on April 26, 2016, 06:53:23 PM
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Seems technology follows it's usual path here--sex industry and then killing people.
Sax and violins?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLy-AwdCOmI
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on April 26, 2016, 07:42:55 PM
The US Navy just launched their first anti-sub drone ship:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/drone-ship-darpa/

Smaller assistant drones too:

http://www.popsci.com/navy-wants-launch-drone-swarms-tubes-video
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on April 27, 2016, 06:49:39 PM
This one looks like it could be awesome:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUQsRPJ1dYw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5AnWzjHtWA




Or, if your tastes are a bit on the more personal side:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP2Dobu1jrc
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on April 27, 2016, 06:56:35 PM
Men who objectify robot women, are just one step above men who objectify real women.  Similarly if one physically abuses a robot woman, vs physically abuses a real woman.  In short, I don't see men who do this as evolved.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on April 27, 2016, 07:17:45 PM
Yeah, really! What ever happened to Bertha Butt and the Butt sisters?
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: gentle_dissident on April 27, 2016, 07:28:19 PM
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men who objectify real women.
LOL. A robot woman is as objectified as a woman can get.

I'll have to ask my GF if she minds me just standing there admiring her beauty.

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I don't see men who do this as evolved.
That's probably why they can't get any.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on April 28, 2016, 04:04:52 PM
Wow, I just found this one: Einstein robot



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbkdt8Wg1EQ
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Cocoa Beware on April 29, 2016, 07:46:48 PM
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That $1,000 missile can still take out our million dollar soldier.  So, if a few $100,000 robots can argument the million dollar solider and it be taken out instead of the soldier, the military is $900,000  ahead. Besides, the prototypes are always more expensive than the standard types later on.

I'm thinking our rapidly growing ability to synthesize materials will be one of the reasons for this.

It's crazy really. We can actually make diamonds. They are actually quite useful for industrial purposes, as they have a slew of rare/unique properties.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Mike Cl on April 29, 2016, 09:22:07 PM
I also wonder how much longer it will be before we go in the android direction?  We are in a way with the artificial limbs and such.  But what if brain implants would be of a benefit?  Would people want to do that?  And I've heard of nano-robots that can travel in the blood stream keeping things in order.  We are the Borg??????
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: PopeyesPappy on April 29, 2016, 09:31:55 PM
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Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on April 30, 2016, 10:16:48 AM
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I also wonder how much longer it will be before we go in the android direction?  We are in a way with the artificial limbs and such.  But what if brain implants would be of a benefit?  Would people want to do that?  And I've heard of nano-robots that can travel in the blood stream keeping things in order.  We are the Borg??????

If it can be done, it will be done.  Which is why I don't give odds on human survival.  The point of technology is to make better slaves.  Techno-advocates are the revolutionary cadre to bring it about.  Just the advent of computer/phone surveillance was unimaginable 30 years ago.

I have often imagined what it is like to be cyborg (half robot).  It isn't a good vision, since your employer or your government will have control over that machinery.  Your biological aspect will be there just to provide "wet-ware".
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Hydra009 on April 30, 2016, 11:52:46 AM
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I also wonder how much longer it will be before we go in the android direction?  We are in a way with the artificial limbs and such.  But what if brain implants would be of a benefit?  Would people want to do that?
Yes.  That's the aim of transhumanism; to incorporate new technologies into the human body.  Although it's widely regarded as a scary idea (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2010/09/15/the-most-dangerous-idea-in-the-world/) and often involved in fictional dystopias, it need not necessary be disastrous.  Instead of the borg or the cybermen, think of Julian Bashir or Iron Man.  There was a Ted talk about this, I forget which one, but the speaker made the point that human augmentation started the first time a human wrote a symbol on a chunk of rock.  Essentially, writing extends human memory - something can be remembered without a single living person remembering it.

At its base, the goal of transhumanism is to overcome human limitations - to make humanity more capable and less weak and vulnerable.  Imagine a new breed of humanity capable of exploring the cosmos rather than simply watching probes on TV.  Human technology is advancing at an incredible rate - the human body, not so much.  Increasingly, it's becoming the weakest link.  A lot of human failings - dementia, irrationality, violence, fanaticism - among others, are ultimately rooted in biology.  Augmentation could eliminate or minimize bad traits while preserving good traits.  And rather than be disastrous, it could be a way forward.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Mike Cl on April 30, 2016, 12:31:48 PM
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Yes.  That's the aim of transhumanism; to incorporate new technologies into the human body.  Although it's widely regarded as a scary idea (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2010/09/15/the-most-dangerous-idea-in-the-world/) and often involved in fictional dystopias, it need not necessary be disastrous.  Instead of the borg or the cybermen, think of Julian Bashir or Iron Man.  There was a Ted talk about this, I forget which one, but the speaker made the point that human augmentation started the first time a human wrote a symbol on a chunk of rock.  Essentially, writing extends human memory - something can be remembered without a single living person remembering it.

At its base, the goal of transhumanism is to overcome human limitations - to make humanity more capable and less weak and vulnerable.  Imagine a new breed of humanity capable of exploring the cosmos rather than simply watching probes on TV.  Human technology is advancing at an incredible rate - the human body, not so much.  Increasingly, it's becoming the weakest link.  A lot of human failings - dementia, irrationality, violence, fanaticism - among others, are ultimately rooted in biology.  Augmentation could eliminate or minimize bad traits while preserving good traits.  And rather than be disastrous, it could be a way forward.
I don't think this has to be a bad thing.  If I could have nano-robots injected into my blood stream, for example, and have a healthier life, I'd do it.  Or if a brain implant would get rid of a chance of cancer or dementia, I'd do it.  I do not object to foreign objects being inserted into my body for my benefit.  A already have 5 stents in place--a mechanical one would not bother me in the least. 
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on April 30, 2016, 03:06:05 PM
Sociology trumps technology.  Super-cyber-men ruling super-cyber-slaves.  Immortality will be attempted, but only for the 1%.  Ideal worker humans would only be around for 5 years of less, like the PC cycle.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Mike Cl on April 30, 2016, 04:13:23 PM
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Sociology trumps technology.  Super-cyber-men ruling super-cyber-slaves.  Immortality will be attempted, but only for the 1%.  Ideal worker humans would only be around for 5 years of less, like the PC cycle.
I've often wondered about that--the 1% getting cyborg immortality.  Do you think the other 99% would allow that?  Would there be a revolt?????  I'm not sure of of that revolt..................but maybe.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on April 30, 2016, 08:11:50 PM
There has never been a long term revolt against the 1% ... just a change in who they are.  Marxism is wrong in that respect ... there is no final revolution ... in fact revolution is rare and mostly unsuccessful.  And even when successful, the inevitable corruption sets in.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: marom1963 on June 03, 2016, 01:04:06 AM
 I still preferred the World the way it was ...
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Hydra009 on June 03, 2016, 01:11:44 AM
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I still preferred the World the way it was ...
"If you want to make enemies, try to change something."
— Woodrow Wilson
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: marom1963 on June 03, 2016, 02:12:58 AM
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There has never been a long term revolt against the 1% ... just a change in who they are.  Marxism is wrong in that respect ... there is no final revolution ... in fact revolution is rare and mostly unsuccessful.  And even when successful, the inevitable corruption sets in.
What I have been saying for years - revolution is pointless - it's just changing one set of assholes for another set of assholes - maybe even bigger assholes, as happened in Russia.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: marom1963 on June 03, 2016, 02:19:53 AM
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"If you want to make enemies, try to change something."
— Woodrow Wilson
I meant - no robots, no computers, no cell phones ... I liked going to the library and using the card catalog ... I liked being able to disappear for long periods of time w/o hearing a phone ring ... I liked waiting or mail to arrive - it took weeks! - not seconds ... I liked privacy! Or at least the belief that there was something called privacy ... I liked being able to turn the news off ... I liked having a television season that lasted only so long - waiting for the fall premieres and suffering through the summer repeats ... I especially liked knowing less BULLSHIT! You used to be able to shut the World out. Now it comes and finds you. Even if you're taking a shit, it comes to get you. That's not a good thing. That sucks!
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Hydra009 on June 03, 2016, 03:58:32 AM
There are pros as well as cons.

I can't imagine having to wait for a specific TV show to be airing on TV before watching it (and sitting through commercial breaks).  Or waiting on the papers to get the latest news.  Or having to ask friends if a movie is any good or not.  Or not knowing something and having to sift through reference books at the library or track down a relevant expert.  Or life before USB technology.

Half the programs I watch now are online-only and couldn't exist more than a decade or so ago.  And I hold in my hands an e-reader that can hold possibly hundreds of books, weighs less than a pound, and can last several weeks without needing to recharge.

The future is, for the most part, a huge improvement.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: marom1963 on June 03, 2016, 04:06:19 AM
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There are pros as well as cons.

I can't imagine having to wait for a specific TV show to be airing on TV before watching it (and sitting through commercial breaks).  Or waiting on the papers to get the latest news.  Or having to ask friends if a movie is any good or not.  Or not knowing something and having to sift through reference books at the library or track down a relevant expert.  Or life before USB technology.  Half the programs I watch now are online-only and couldn't have existed more than a decade or so ago.  And I hold in my hands an e-reader that can hold possibly hundreds of books and weighs less than a pound and can last several weeks without needing to recharge.

The future is, for the most part, a huge improvement.
Not if you're  an old buzzard who liked living in the past, it's not ... Oh, I love my computer (and I hate it, too). But I still miss the World in which I once lived. Most of all I miss the diners where I could sit and puff on my pipe, reading a book, while I sipped coffee and occasionally chatted w/another native New Yorker.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Hydra009 on June 03, 2016, 04:25:47 AM
I miss communal meals.  My family still has them, just not as often.  But man oh man, do I not miss the secondhand smoke one bit!  I'm so glad that public smoking is more or less gone and smoking in general is going the way of the dodo.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: marom1963 on June 03, 2016, 05:00:26 AM
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I miss communal meals.  My family still has them, just not as often.  But man oh man, do I not miss the secondhand smoke one bit!  I'm so glad that public smoking is more or less gone and smoking in general is going the way of the dodo.
Yes, well, what annoys me now is that people take it upon themselves to point out to me that there is "No Smoking here" if I am just holding my pipe. "Yes. Do you see any smoke coming from it? That's smoking. What I'm doing is called 'holding.' Holding has thus far not been banned." One day, I had purposely walked to the middle of nowhere, 100s of feet from anything. A woman happened along and said w/disgust, "Stand there and smoke, why don't you?" I replied, "I will - and I intend to fart, as well." And I got lucky - I cut the loudest, smelliest fart I'd cut in a long time - it completely drowned out the smell of my pipe tobacco.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Flanker1Six on June 03, 2016, 11:27:46 AM
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Sociology trumps technology.  Super-cyber-men ruling super-cyber-slaves.  Immortality will be attempted, but only for the 1%.  Ideal worker humans would only be around for 5 years of less, like the PC cycle.

Those are called Replicants. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replicant
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Hydra009 on June 03, 2016, 12:30:14 PM
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Yes, well, what annoys me now is that people take it upon themselves to point out to me that there is "No Smoking here" if I am just holding my pipe. "Yes. Do you see any smoke coming from it? That's smoking. What I'm doing is called 'holding.' Holding has thus far not been banned." One day, I had purposely walked to the middle of nowhere, 100s of feet from anything. A woman happened along and said w/disgust, "Stand there and smoke, why don't you?" I replied, "I will - and I intend to fart, as well." And I got lucky - I cut the loudest, smelliest fart I'd cut in a long time - it completely drowned out the smell of my pipe tobacco.
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Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on June 03, 2016, 01:01:50 PM
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I meant - no robots, no computers, no cell phones ... I liked going to the library and using the card catalog ... I liked being able to disappear for long periods of time w/o hearing a phone ring ... I liked waiting or mail to arrive - it took weeks! - not seconds ... I liked privacy! Or at least the belief that there was something called privacy ... I liked being able to turn the news off ... I liked having a television season that lasted only so long - waiting for the fall premieres and suffering through the summer repeats ... I especially liked knowing less BULLSHIT! You used to be able to shut the World out. Now it comes and finds you. Even if you're taking a shit, it comes to get you. That's not a good thing. That sucks!

You are just becoming an old fart like me.  I was able to transition to flip phones (cell phones) but I have no desire for anything more recent.  I resisted getting any cell phone until 2000.  I never carried a pager.  I still have a land line phone to act as a honey trap for commercial callers and bill collectors.  So far I have gotten very little spam on my flip phone.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: doorknob on June 03, 2016, 01:40:26 PM
My dad says when you get old never trust a fart.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: marom1963 on June 03, 2016, 01:44:01 PM
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You are just becoming an old fart like me.  I was able to transition to flip phones (cell phones) but I have no desire for anything more recent.  I resisted getting any cell phone until 2000.  I never carried a pager.  I still have a land line phone to act as a honey trap for commercial callers and bill collectors.  So far I have gotten very little spam on my flip phone.
:singing:
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on December 30, 2017, 03:57:09 PM
I realize this is an old thread, but jeez - have you seen the newest robots!? These things are incredibly scary, considering it's the military's answer to the question of future war:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiieA-j2XPE



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Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Mike Cl on December 30, 2017, 06:15:59 PM
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I realize this is an old thread, but jeez - have you seen the newest robots!? These things are incredibly scary, considering it's the military's answer to the question of future war:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiieA-j2XPE



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FO 4 power armor here we come!
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Shiranu on December 30, 2017, 06:21:35 PM
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And rather than be disastrous, it could be a way forward.

This seems a rather slippery slope on deciding what is "forward", though. Stripping humanity of all humanity is arguably going "forward", but should sheer practicality always outweigh humanity?
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2017, 01:26:36 AM
Some people want to have sex with robots.  Some people want to be the robots that people have sex with.  Techno-porn ... like war-porn.  Takes all kinds, like in Twister.

Autonomous robots of some sort will happen soon, because unlike autonomous vehicles in civilian situations, it really doesn't matter if they kill people, in fact we would prefer they would kill people ... the trick is reducing the fratricide.  I have thought for decades, connecting up a tele-operated mech suit, not to a man, but to an ant ... would be devastating.  The ant already knows what to do.  But are you a red ant or a black ant?  Ants would make better warriors than people, if you gave them some technical leverage.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Hydra009 on December 31, 2017, 12:28:51 PM
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This seems a rather slippery slope on deciding what is "forward", though. Stripping humanity of all humanity is arguably going "forward", but should sheer practicality always outweigh humanity?
I had to look up the post you were quoting to make any sense of the reply.  I was talking about human augmentation (transhumanism) as a way for humans to enhance our innate traits, eliminate harmful traits, and adapt to our increasingly technological world.  What I'm proposing is a massive overhaul of the human species, and naturally, I expect a lot of resistance to this idea.

You have offered what is probably the most common objection to transhumanism - the idea that augmentation somehow strips away our humanity.  But just a moment of serious reflection reveals this objection to be irrational and untrue.

Do you consider people with artificial hearts to be less human than people with natural hearts?  People with prosthetic legs/arms to be less human than their fully intact counterparts?  And let's consider less invasive modifications as well.  Hearing aids, glasses, etc.  On what basis is their humanity infringed?  And what is the definition of humanity in the first place?

On what basis should a blind person not be allowed to see?  Or a person with astigmatism not be allowed to see better?  Or a person with normal vision not be allowed to have better than 20/20 vision?  What sound logic allows the first two but not the third?
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Hydra009 on December 31, 2017, 12:49:05 PM
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I remember when this was the talk of the town:

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A lot of people laughed dismissively that day.  The laughter has died down a lot since then.

What people didn't understand back then is that progress always starts small.  There are always tons of early failures.  But bit by bit (pun intended), these early efforts are improved upon until they produce great achievements.

I find ongoing advances in robotics to be amazing.  I can't wait for the day when robots start taking over dangerous jobs (first responders, mining, industrial, waste management, space exploration/mining, etc)
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Post by: Jason78 on December 31, 2017, 01:10:20 PM
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Have you guys seen the newest robots?

I hear they look like us now...
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Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2017, 07:20:54 PM
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I had to look up the post you were quoting to make any sense of the reply.  I was talking about human augmentation (transhumanism) as a way for humans to enhance our innate traits, eliminate harmful traits, and adapt to our increasingly technological world.  What I'm proposing is a massive overhaul of the human species, and naturally, I expect a lot of resistance to this idea.

You have offered what is probably the most common objection to transhumanism - the idea that augmentation somehow strips away our humanity.  But just a moment of serious reflection reveals this objection to be irrational and untrue.

Do you consider people with artificial hearts to be less human than people with natural hearts?  People with prosthetic legs/arms to be less human than their fully intact counterparts?  And let's consider less invasive modifications as well.  Hearing aids, glasses, etc.  On what basis is their humanity infringed?  And what is the definition of humanity in the first place?

On what basis should a blind person not be allowed to see?  Or a person with astigmatism not be allowed to see better?  Or a person with normal vision not be allowed to have better than 20/20 vision?  What sound logic allows the first two but not the third?

We could always make you the first Ant Man ... by not giving an ant a mech suit, but replacing your brain with an ant ;-)  Can't go the other way, won't fit.
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Post by: Baruch on December 31, 2017, 07:21:33 PM
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I hear they look like us now...

Like cute dogs? ;-)
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Post by: Unbeliever on January 02, 2018, 04:14:08 PM
I guess DARPA's not all bad. Here's a vid about the development of prosthetic limbs that can actually have a sense of touch, and was a DARPA project:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_brnKz_2tI
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: trdsf on January 03, 2018, 12:50:57 PM
Heck, even mythological critters are getting in on the robotics act -- there's the robot centaur, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdh_MEoYf1Y
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Post by: Unbeliever on January 03, 2018, 01:28:07 PM
Cool! I was wondering how it would do on rough terrain, but he says it does very well, which is a must for any decent robot, I think.
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Post by: Baruch on January 03, 2018, 04:02:30 PM
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Heck, even mythological critters are getting in on the robotics act -- there's the robot centaur, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdh_MEoYf1Y

There is a robot drawn rickshaw.  You just can't work Asians to death anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deROCFHFbZs

Notice the rickshaw driver is styled as a Texan ;-(
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Post by: Baruch on January 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
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Cool! I was wondering how it would do on rough terrain, but he says it does very well, which is a must for any decent robot, I think.

Looks like the engineer understood the phrase ... "suspension of disbelief" ;-)
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Post by: Unbeliever on January 03, 2018, 04:06:30 PM
I think the guy sitting is actually the driver. It seems to me that it needs a smoother gait to be more comfortable for the rider - it looks a bit jerky.
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Post by: Baruch on January 03, 2018, 04:11:13 PM
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I think the guy sitting is actually the driver. It seems to me that it needs a smoother gait to be more comfortable for the rider - it looks a bit jerky.

In a traditional rickshaw (elsewhere they were replaced with pedi-cabs) ... being a customer meant being a exploitative jerk.  This was the lowest job for someone with two legs, and they literally were worked to death.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 03, 2018, 04:13:32 PM
Yeah, it seems a lot of people think walking is beneath their dignity, or some such similar absurdity.
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Post by: Baruch on January 03, 2018, 05:05:37 PM
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Yeah, it seems a lot of people think walking is beneath their dignity, or some such similar absurdity.

It was mostly a Victorian thing.  White-man's-burden and all ;-(

The rich Western Christian man should have gotten out, and pulled the rickshaw for the poor Asian guy.  Jesus would have.  The Victorians were masters of hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 23, 2018, 04:55:43 PM
Here's a robot I just came across:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Q6X5ZJw-E
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on January 23, 2018, 04:59:12 PM
And here's RoboSimian:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNuQjrI52Hc
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on January 23, 2018, 07:09:51 PM
Yes, what great weapons systems will they think up next ;-)  Just arm that metal spider with a chain gun!
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Post by: Unbeliever on January 23, 2018, 07:28:33 PM
Or arm a thousand of them with a virulent biological agent, then have them sneak into enemy territory and release it.
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Post by: Baruch on January 24, 2018, 01:04:30 AM
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Or arm a thousand of them with a virulent biological agent, then have them sneak into enemy territory and release it.

Unnecessary ... chemtrails.
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Post by: Cavebear on January 24, 2018, 02:40:55 AM
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Or arm a thousand of them with a virulent biological agent, then have them sneak into enemy territory and release it.

The bad news is that I give humanity 50 years...  The good news is that the robots won't be able to replicate usefully by then.  So the question is will the octopi (who can already crawl on land searching for beach crustaceans) rule or will the cats, pigs, or chimps fill the niche we leave?
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Post by: pr126 on January 24, 2018, 02:46:03 AM
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The bad news is that I give humanity 50 years...  The good news is that the robots won't be able to replicate usefully by then.  So the question is will the octopi (who can already crawl on land searching for beach crustaceans) rule or will the cats, pigs, or chimps fill the niche we leave?
It will be [very large] cockroaches.
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Post by: Baruch on January 24, 2018, 03:24:11 AM
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It will be [very large] cockroaches.

Cats, definitely cats ;-)  But first they have to train the dogs to replace their human servants ;-)
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Post by: pr126 on January 24, 2018, 03:26:13 AM
I like cats.
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Post by: Baruch on January 24, 2018, 03:28:45 AM
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I like cats.

The cat masters won't purge you then.
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Post by: Cavebear on January 24, 2018, 04:41:35 AM
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It will be [very large] cockroaches.

Cockroaches are actually tropical.  They live in colder climes because we give them warmth in structures.  Without us, they die back to the tropics.  Not much future for them.
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Post by: pr126 on January 24, 2018, 04:43:29 AM
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Cockroaches are actually tropical.  They live in colder climes because we give them warmth in structures.  Without us, they die back to the tropics.  Not much future for them.
Don't forget global warming climate change!
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Post by: Cavebear on January 24, 2018, 05:42:27 AM
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Don't forget global warming climate change!

It will be a LONG time (if ever) before cockroaches can actually survive north of Florida without human structural shelter.  Ever seen the series 'Life After People'?  One episode gets into the details about that.  And the rest is great to watch.
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Post by: Jason78 on January 24, 2018, 12:44:15 PM
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The bad news is that I give humanity 50 years...

I like your optimism :D
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Post by: Cavebear on January 24, 2018, 12:49:29 PM
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I like your optimism :D

Well, extinction (as we are arranging it) does take some time.
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Post by: Baruch on January 24, 2018, 01:09:05 PM
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Well, extinction (as we are arranging it) does take some time.

Rome wasn't demolished in a day.
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Post by: Unbeliever on January 24, 2018, 01:12:31 PM
No, but Nagasaki was.
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Post by: Baruch on January 24, 2018, 08:02:40 PM
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No, but Nagasaki was.

Sad ... but that rice wine factory had it coming ;-(
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Post by: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 11:35:09 AM
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No, but Nagasaki was.

That hits home.  I had an Aunt Sachiko from there.  Not saying any blame though. 
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Post by: Unbeliever on January 27, 2018, 02:15:51 PM
I read a biography of J. Robert Oppenheimer last year (American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J Robert Oppenheimer (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/feb/02/featuresreviews.guardianreview7)), that pretty much laid the blame squarely on Truman and his henchmen.
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Post by: Cavebear on January 27, 2018, 02:22:07 PM
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I read a biography of J. Robert Oppenheimer last year (American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J Robert Oppenheimer (https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/feb/02/featuresreviews.guardianreview7)), that pretty much laid the blame squarely on Truman and his henchmen.

Well, we made one because the Nazis were trying to build one, and then they were defeated and the bombs were there, so we used them.

I don't think they truly understood how big a BOOM it would really make.  And after a long and bitter war, who wouldn't use the biggest bomb they had?

But "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
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Post by: Baruch on January 27, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
I have to sympathize with Truman.  But like General Patton, I think we should have immediately invaded the Soviet Union, and then put Mao in Guantanamo.
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Post by: Unbeliever on January 28, 2018, 06:33:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-2mBaxdjrc
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Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on January 29, 2018, 04:52:51 AM
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Well, we made one because the Nazis were trying to build one, and then they were defeated and the bombs were there, so we used them.

I don't think they truly understood how big a BOOM it would really make.  And after a long and bitter war, who wouldn't use the biggest bomb they had?

But "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."
The people who survived the war, on both sides, should be very happy the bombs helped end it. Gen. Anami, Minister of War, was telling the Japanese people "One Hundred Million Dead For Japan!" As Japan had less than seventy million people at the time the Allies would have to make up the difference. First to go would have been the ~140,000 Allied POWs. Men, women, and children held in hellish camps like Santo Tomas in Manila. Anami had all those people ordered killed when "the first Allied boot touches Kyushu." He changed his mind when his aide came back from Nagasaki completely horrified. The resulting deadlock in the "Big Six" meant the Cabinet had to go before the Emperor and report they couldn't recommend a course for the country to utilize to continue the war. This was the first time in history this had happened and Showa used it to break the deadlock by calling for surrender. This ended the war six days for the Soviets were ready to invade Hokkaido, making a North/South split of Japan inevitable.

It's easy to say "Bombs BAD!" if you don't know what you're talking about.
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Post by: Mike Cl on January 29, 2018, 09:31:12 AM
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The people who survived the war, on both sides, should be very happy the bombs helped end it. Gen. Anami, Minister of War, was telling the Japanese people "One Hundred Million Dead For Japan!" As Japan had less than seventy million people at the time the Allies would have to make up the difference. First to go would have been the ~140,000 Allied POWs. Men, women, and children held in hellish camps like Santo Tomas in Manila. Anami had all those people ordered killed when "the first Allied boot touches Kyushu." He changed his mind when his aide came back from Nagasaki completely horrified. The resulting deadlock in the "Big Six" meant the Cabinet had to go before the Emperor and report they couldn't recommend a course for the country to utilize to continue the war. This was the first time in history this had happened and Showa used it to break the deadlock by calling for surrender. This ended the war six days for the Soviets were ready to invade Hokkaido, making a North/South split of Japan inevitable.

It's easy to say "Bombs BAD!" if you don't know what you're talking about.
I do think the bombs were life savers for both sides.  another irony of war.
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Post by: trdsf on January 29, 2018, 01:54:27 PM
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The people who survived the war, on both sides, should be very happy the bombs helped end it. Gen. Anami, Minister of War, was telling the Japanese people "One Hundred Million Dead For Japan!" As Japan had less than seventy million people at the time the Allies would have to make up the difference. First to go would have been the ~140,000 Allied POWs. Men, women, and children held in hellish camps like Santo Tomas in Manila. Anami had all those people ordered killed when "the first Allied boot touches Kyushu." He changed his mind when his aide came back from Nagasaki completely horrified. The resulting deadlock in the "Big Six" meant the Cabinet had to go before the Emperor and report they couldn't recommend a course for the country to utilize to continue the war. This was the first time in history this had happened and Showa used it to break the deadlock by calling for surrender. This ended the war six days for the Soviets were ready to invade Hokkaido, making a North/South split of Japan inevitable.

It's easy to say "Bombs BAD!" if you don't know what you're talking about.
You're talking about two different situations.  In 1945, there were three bombs in the world total: the Trinity device, and the two used on Japan.  That's a vastly different situation—that was a full global nuclear exchange.

Today, there are nearly 15,000 warheads, and even though about 11,000 of those are stockpiled and 5,300 of those are currently scheduled to be dismantled, a full nuclear exchange of 4,000 devices—almost all of which are vastly more powerful than the relatively small bombs used in 1945—is a completely different thing.

Personally, I'm less concerned about the bombs per se than I am about the stability and sanity of the person authorized to order their use.  We've been steadily reducing our stockpiles, and we'll probably never achieve complete nuclear disarmament, but the situation is better than it was at the peak(s) of the Cold War.  I won't go quite so far as to say that a few thousand bombs are good, but I have no difficulty in saying that tens of thousands of them are bad.
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Post by: Cavebear on February 02, 2018, 03:17:04 PM
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You're talking about two different situations.  In 1945, there were three bombs in the world total: the Trinity device, and the two used on Japan.  That's a vastly different situation—that was a full global nuclear exchange.

Today, there are nearly 15,000 warheads, and even though about 11,000 of those are stockpiled and 5,300 of those are currently scheduled to be dismantled, a full nuclear exchange of 4,000 devices—almost all of which are vastly more powerful than the relatively small bombs used in 1945—is a completely different thing.

Personally, I'm less concerned about the bombs per se than I am about the stability and sanity of the person authorized to order their use.  We've been steadily reducing our stockpiles, and we'll probably never achieve complete nuclear disarmament, but the situation is better than it was at the peak(s) of the Cold War.  I won't go quite so far as to say that a few thousand bombs are good, but I have no difficulty in saying that tens of thousands of them are bad.

I understand your point.  And I accept the numbers and logic.  But in WWII, it wasn't an "EXCHANGE" of nuclear weapons.  It was all one-sided.
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Post by: trdsf on February 02, 2018, 04:17:57 PM
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I understand your point.  And I accept the numbers and logic.  But in WWII, it wasn't an "EXCHANGE" of nuclear weapons.  It was all one-sided.
True.  I sloppily used the usual terminology, and it's not really appropriate to the way the devices were used in 1945.
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Post by: Cavebear on February 07, 2018, 08:07:24 AM
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True.  I sloppily used the usual terminology, and it's not really appropriate to the way the devices were used in 1945.

I've always thought it was a hard decision.  And they didn't quite realize then what they were unleashing.  But even had they understood, would the decision have been different.  Could it have been?
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Post by: Baruch on February 07, 2018, 12:43:43 PM
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I've always thought it was a hard decision.  And they didn't quite realize then what they were unleashing.  But even had they understood, would the decision have been different.  Could it have been?

Yes, we could have had Man In A High Castle ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzz_6dmv03I

Rs and Ds have no idea what real Nazis and real Stalinists are like.  They are larping.
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Post by: trdsf on February 07, 2018, 12:46:47 PM
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I've always thought it was a hard decision.  And they didn't quite realize then what they were unleashing.  But even had they understood, would the decision have been different.  Could it have been?
I don't know.  There's a body of opinion that the US might have demonstrated the weapon and then said "Okay, now, the next one will go off somewhere in Japan.  Or, you could surrender."  Hindsight is insufficiently 20/20 to say whether that might have worked.  It might have, and it equally well might not have.  Personally, I think that would have been a better route to take: Japan would have at least had the opportunity to say "Whoa, no, we're not messing with that".

The standard counter-argument to that is "But what if the demonstration was a dud?" but this is of no relevance.  You can just as easily ask what if Trinity had been a dud, or Hiroshima, or Nagasaki?  Any one of them could have failed; this was a new device.

In either case, we can't judge what Japan might or might not have done in the wake of a successful (or unsuccessful) demonstration.  I think the most that we can say from the vantage point of history is that the follow-up bombing of Nagasaki was probably too soon.  The Imperial Japanese government hadn't fully absorbed what had happened in Hiroshima, nor formulated a response.
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Post by: Baruch on February 07, 2018, 12:59:20 PM
Not even Einstein was a humanitarian in WW II ... but like most Jews, he only had it in for Germany.  Pacifists like Gandhi, had Japan had more success invading India, would have been shot.

Both Hiroshima and Nagasaki were rushed ... because Stalin.  But then Leftist would have liked a nuclear armed communist N Japan.
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Post by: Hakurei Reimu on February 07, 2018, 01:54:54 PM
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But then Leftist would have liked a nuclear armed communist N Japan.
How about we speak only for ourselves instead of for other people? I doubt that the anime scene would be nearly as rich with a communist N Japan, after all.
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Post by: Unbeliever on February 07, 2018, 02:20:31 PM
On a lighter note, they're bringing back BattleBots! For joy!  :super:


‘BattleBots’ Revived On Discovery Channel; New Episodes Set For Spring (http://deadline.com/2018/02/battlebots-revived-discovery-channel-new-episodes-premiere-spring-1202280306/)
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Post by: Hakurei Reimu on February 07, 2018, 03:26:42 PM
Yay! Robot abominations beating the electrons out of each other!
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Post by: Unbeliever on February 07, 2018, 03:33:29 PM
Hell yeah!


(https://i.imgur.com/DMHPhsg.gif)
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Post by: SGOS on February 07, 2018, 05:59:54 PM
That one was down right humiliating.  I'd hate to be the loser of that match standing in front of the crowd.  Of course I didn't seen any of the sparing that may have taken place early on.  I always wonder about the fire breathing robots though.  Yeah, it's fire and all, but it seems like spitting at a guy with a sword wearing  chain mail.  Then he whacks you in the head with his sword, and you're like, "WHAT?  You know I got fire, right?"  Then <Whack!  Whack!> but by then it's to late to consider another strategy.
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Post by: Draconic Aiur on February 07, 2018, 06:50:20 PM
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Sax and violins?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLy-AwdCOmI

Kill it with fire
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Post by: Unbeliever on February 07, 2018, 06:57:38 PM
That one seem not quite ready for prime time.
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Kill it with fire
Or maybe take off and nuke it from orbit - it's the only way to be sure!
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Post by: SGOS on February 07, 2018, 07:05:11 PM
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Kill it with fire
That was like a David Lynch film.
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Post by: Baruch on February 07, 2018, 08:58:49 PM
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That was like a David Lynch film.

Typical "With Her".
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Post by: Cavebear on February 09, 2018, 05:05:36 AM
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I don't know.  There's a body of opinion that the US might have demonstrated the weapon and then said "Okay, now, the next one will go off somewhere in Japan.  Or, you could surrender."  Hindsight is insufficiently 20/20 to say whether that might have worked.  It might have, and it equally well might not have.  Personally, I think that would have been a better route to take: Japan would have at least had the opportunity to say "Whoa, no, we're not messing with that".

The standard counter-argument to that is "But what if the demonstration was a dud?" but this is of no relevance.  You can just as easily ask what if Trinity had been a dud, or Hiroshima, or Nagasaki?  Any one of them could have failed; this was a new device.

In either case, we can't judge what Japan might or might not have done in the wake of a successful (or unsuccessful) demonstration.  I think the most that we can say from the vantage point of history is that the follow-up bombing of Nagasaki was probably too soon.  The Imperial Japanese government hadn't fully absorbed what had happened in Hiroshima, nor formulated a response.

For some reason, I thought the US tried that.  I checked, and found it was a suggestion, not an invitation.  That is sad.

But the Japanese did see the results of the 1st one and still resisted surrender.  And some elements of the Japanese Govt resisted surrender even after the 2nd.  That suggests a demonstration might not have had much practical effect.

The US-Japanese part of WWII was bitter and brutal.  It should be a lesson to all.
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Post by: Baruch on February 09, 2018, 07:19:56 AM
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For some reason, I thought the US tried that.  I checked, and found it was a suggestion, not an invitation.  That is sad.

But the Japanese did see the results of the 1st one and still resisted surrender.  And some elements of the Japanese Govt resisted surrender even after the 2nd.  That suggests a demonstration might not have had much practical effect.

The US-Japanese part of WWII was bitter and brutal.  It should be a lesson to all.

Correct.  Anti-nuke people are anti- no matter what.  The US and Japan weren't nice to each other.  Japan would have done more to hurt the US if it could back then.  Maybe in the future.  After all, they were only avenging the insult to the shogun made by Commodore Perry.  Originally, in Aug 45, the Japanese planned to explode a radiological weapon (radioisotope pollution) over San Francisco.  Had they done so, San Francisco would still be uninhabitable.  Fortunately the super-sub carrying the radioisotopes from Germany to Japan was sunk in the Atlantic earlier in 1945.  And the Japanese did have nuclear weapon research, they had a partial nuclear reactor in Korea, as the Germans did in S Germany.  Both reactors could have been used more easily to generate radioisotopes than to build a bomb.

Strange, but had nukes not be available, having to bayonet every Japanese civilian to exterminate them ... would have been worse for everyone involved.  And it would have come down to that, given Japanese culture.  People forget how amazing it was that Germany surrendered at all.  Yes, they waited too long, but ... farfegnugen.  The Italians were the smartest, surrendered as soon as they could.
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Post by: trdsf on February 09, 2018, 10:42:36 AM
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For some reason, I thought the US tried that.  I checked, and found it was a suggestion, not an invitation.  That is sad.

But the Japanese did see the results of the 1st one and still resisted surrender.  And some elements of the Japanese Govt resisted surrender even after the 2nd.  That suggests a demonstration might not have had much practical effect.

The US-Japanese part of WWII was bitter and brutal.  It should be a lesson to all.
Personally, I suspect the decision to hit Nagasaki on the 9th was driven at least as much by trying to force a surrender before Soviet boots hit the ground in the northern islands, than it was to force a surrender for the sake of ending the war.  The Soviet declaration of war wasn't quite twelve hours old when the bomb was dropped, and in that time they had already launched attacks on Japanese-held Manchuria.  And the attack on the Kuril Islands came five days after the Japanese announced their surrender, which makes it difficult to regard it as anything other than a naked land grab.

But, Monday morning quarterbacking.  And I admittedly have no military background.
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Post by: Baruch on February 09, 2018, 12:57:34 PM
Uncle Joe was a big factor, anywhere he wanted to be ... an 800 lb bear not gorilla.  GB was part of this too, and Churchill would have skinned Stalin alive if he could have.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 11, 2018, 06:45:07 PM
Here are some pretty cool robots based on animals, some of which we've seen others, maybe not:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQTDtR_K9U
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Post by: Unbeliever on February 11, 2018, 07:22:32 PM
Here are some robots that seem very useful:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEIeS12TcWU
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Post by: Unbeliever on February 12, 2018, 02:09:04 PM
Here's a pretty good documentary about robots and the future:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_HotWXkXy0
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on February 12, 2018, 07:04:53 PM
The future never arrives.  And if it did, you can't afford a sexy android anyway.
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Post by: Cavebear on February 13, 2018, 02:01:11 AM
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Originally, in Aug 45, the Japanese planned to explode a radiological weapon (radioisotope pollution) over San Francisco.  Had they done so, San Francisco would still be uninhabitable.  Fortunately the super-sub carrying the radioisotopes from Germany to Japan was sunk in the Atlantic earlier in 1945.  And the Japanese did have nuclear weapon research, they had a partial nuclear reactor in Korea, as the Germans did in S Germany.  Both reactors could have been used more easily to generate radioisotopes than to build a bomb.

Strange, but had nukes not be available, having to bayonet every Japanese civilian to exterminate them ... would have been worse for everyone involved.  And it would have come down to that, given Japanese culture.  People forget how amazing it was that Germany surrendered at all.  Yes, they waited too long, but ... farfegnugen.  The Italians were the smartest, surrendered as soon as they could.

I might have come down to that.  But Japan was never near using any atomic weapon at any point.  That German sub didn't have anything but basic radioactivity and the Japanese had insufficient experimental labs.  It was, fortunately, a doomed try.
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Post by: Baruch on February 13, 2018, 05:39:40 AM
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I might have come down to that.  But Japan was never near using any atomic weapon at any point.  That German sub didn't have anything but basic radioactivity and the Japanese had insufficient experimental labs.  It was, fortunately, a doomed try.

They were going to use a super-sub with a contained aircraft (they had those), which would surface not far from San Francisco.  The plane would carry one large bomb, filled with radioisotopes.  The Japanese (and everyone else) are not innocent.  And certainly Hitler with long range aircraft or long range missiles would have done the same to NYC.  I am glad we killed their regimes, sad that involves killing people.  Better dead than Red, or Axis.

There was a plot, out of Canada, during the current Terror War ... to do a radiological weapon.  Nukes aren't the only thing that is nasty.
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Post by: Cavebear on February 15, 2018, 03:46:42 AM
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They were going to use a super-sub with a contained aircraft (they had those), which would surface not far from San Francisco.  The plane would carry one large bomb, filled with radioisotopes.  The Japanese (and everyone else) are not innocent.  And certainly Hitler with long range aircraft or long range missiles would have done the same to NYC.  I am glad we killed their regimes, sad that involves killing people.  Better dead than Red, or Axis.

There was a plot, out of Canada, during the current Terror War ... to do a radiological weapon.  Nukes aren't the only thing that is nasty.

Madmen often have delusions about technology.  Fortunately, they usually base it on insufficient support and development systems.  A vicious idea developed to 90% is still nothing.

But maybe we should use those hidden laser cannons we have hidden on the moon to bore through the N Korean nuclear control sites soon...
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Post by: Baruch on February 18, 2018, 08:40:07 PM
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Madmen often have delusions about technology.  Fortunately, they usually base it on insufficient support and development systems.  A vicious idea developed to 90% is still nothing.

But maybe we should use those hidden laser cannons we have hidden on the moon to bore through the N Korean nuclear control sites soon...

Real plots by real people ... or your answer ... Iron Sky I?
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Post by: Cavebear on February 19, 2018, 03:17:25 AM
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Real plots by real people ... or your answer ... Iron Sky I?

Trump seems sufficient as a real threat...
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Post by: Baruch on February 19, 2018, 06:59:31 AM
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Trump seems sufficient as a real threat...

Obsessed?  Did you feel this bad when George W chocked on a pretzel?  Or were you rooting for the pretzel?

The President is a controlled asset of the Deep State since 1963, as I previously pointed out.  All the crazy shit is coming out of CIA (LSD) HQ.
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Post by: Cavebear on February 19, 2018, 08:36:22 AM
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Obsessed?  Did you feel this bad when George W chocked on a pretzel?  Or were you rooting for the pretzel?

The President is a controlled asset of the Deep State since 1963, as I previously pointed out.  All the crazy shit is coming out of CIA (LSD) HQ.

I don't recall "The Pretzel Incident", and I swear I was no where near there at the time.  I was fishing.    Yeah, that it, I was fishing.

But which Bush did you mean?  The idiot who declared on the record that he didn't consider "athiests" to be "citizens", or the son who couldn't form a complete sentence without help?  Neither is a great choice.

I put up with a lot from you, and I try to be civil in reply (usually).  But when you go off into "Deep State" and CIA crap, you are on Mars along with those Fox News nuts.

Spare us your "Deep Crazy".

Not that you will...
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Post by: Mike Cl on February 19, 2018, 12:40:21 PM
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Obsessed?  Did you feel this bad when George W chocked on a pretzel?  Or were you rooting for the pretzel?


I'm still rooting for the pretzel!!  And send Trump a truckload of the stuff.
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Post by: Baruch on February 19, 2018, 08:08:21 PM
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I don't recall "The Pretzel Incident", and I swear I was no where near there at the time.  I was fishing.    Yeah, that it, I was fishing.

But which Bush did you mean?  The idiot who declared on the record that he didn't consider "athiests" to be "citizens", or the son who couldn't form a complete sentence without help?  Neither is a great choice.

I put up with a lot from you, and I try to be civil in reply (usually).  But when you go off into "Deep State" and CIA crap, you are on Mars along with those Fox News nuts.

Spare us your "Deep Crazy".

Not that you will...

So ... it was OK for Allen Dulles to be in charge of the Warren Commission investigation?  Didn't think so.

George W ... choked (sp) on a pretzel.  One of your near-misses of US history.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 26, 2018, 04:32:42 PM
Would YOU turn your loved one into a robot clone? Swedish scientists are using AI to build androids that are 'fully conscious copies' of dead relatives, report claims (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5428169/Scientists-want-build-robot-replicas-dead-relatives.html)



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Scientists are looking for volunteers to offer up their dead relatives for the study
They would build realistic robot clones based on deceased family and friends
Using artificial intelligence, the scientists can reconstruct the voices of the dead
Experts have previously detailed how we may be able to preserve our dead family members in the future, perhaps by uploading their minds to machines


Lucky for me I have no dead (or live) relatives to turn into robots - or to turn me into a robot. It seem pretty spooky to me. But hey, different strokes, and all that!





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Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2018, 07:00:55 PM
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Would YOU turn your loved one into a robot clone? Swedish scientists are using AI to build androids that are 'fully conscious copies' of dead relatives, report claims (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5428169/Scientists-want-build-robot-replicas-dead-relatives.html)




Lucky for me I have no dead (or live) relatives to turn into robots - or to turn me into a robot. It seem pretty spooky to me. But hey, different strokes, and all that!

One guy had his wife put into her wedding dress after she died.  Put her in a big block of clear plastic, and set her up in the living room.

Sorry, if you are a robot, you aren't alive anymore.  A cyborg, then you would still be alive, at least the biological part of the cyborg.
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Post by: trdsf on February 26, 2018, 10:29:45 PM
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Would YOU turn your loved one into a robot clone? Swedish scientists are using AI to build androids that are 'fully conscious copies' of dead relatives, report claims (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5428169/Scientists-want-build-robot-replicas-dead-relatives.html)




Lucky for me I have no dead (or live) relatives to turn into robots - or to turn me into a robot. It seem pretty spooky to me. But hey, different strokes, and all that!
I might volunteer myself for that.
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Post by: Unbeliever on February 27, 2018, 01:16:51 PM
I wonder is the robot "clones" would be given human rights? Otherwise it wouldn't be anything I'd care to do.
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Post by: trdsf on February 27, 2018, 02:36:09 PM
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I wonder is the robot "clones" would be given human rights? Otherwise it wouldn't be anything I'd care to do.
True.  I was thinking more about the possibility of being sent to Mars without having to worry about food and water.  Or even on a grand tour of the solar system, getting installed into a form capable of handling the world-girdling seas of Europa and Enceladus, the sulfur and quakes of Io, or the deep chill of Titan, Triton and Pluto.

I mean, why would I stick around Earth if I was digitized and immortal?
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Post by: Unbeliever on February 27, 2018, 02:59:54 PM
I've read sci-fi in which the spaceships were controlled by human brains. Sounds like fun?
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Post by: trdsf on February 27, 2018, 03:23:06 PM
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I've read sci-fi in which the spaceships were controlled by human brains. Sounds like fun?
I don't know that I'd want to be a full-sized spaceship.  I want to get down on the surface (or in the water/liquid methane) for myself.  I promise to bring back plenty of samples!  Okay, getting one from Venus might be a little tricky.
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Post by: Cavebear on February 28, 2018, 04:29:40 AM
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Would YOU turn your loved one into a robot clone? Swedish scientists are using AI to build androids that are 'fully conscious copies' of dead relatives, report claims (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5428169/Scientists-want-build-robot-replicas-dead-relatives.html)




Lucky for me I have no dead (or live) relatives to turn into robots - or to turn me into a robot. It seem pretty spooky to me. But hey, different strokes, and all that!

I would go for the robot or android for myself.  I don't find live boring as I grow older.  I think I could happily live to 1,000 or 10 if I didn't wear out.  I'll assume there is an "off"switch" though.
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Post by: Baruch on February 28, 2018, 06:19:42 AM
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I would go for the robot or android for myself.  I don't find live boring as I grow older.  I think I could happily live to 1,000 or 10 if I didn't wear out.  I'll assume there is an "off"switch" though.

So would you be Data or Lohr? ;-)
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2018, 01:34:53 PM
I'd be Locutus!
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Post by: Baruch on February 28, 2018, 02:15:59 PM
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I'd be Locutus!

Irrelevant ... he is a cyborg, not an android.  At least as a cyborg, the organic part of you would still be alive.
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Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2018, 02:19:58 PM
Damn, I can get away with nothing with your vast ability to catch my errors! ;)

You're the monster from my id.
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Post by: Cavebear on February 28, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
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Damn, I can get away with nothing with your vast ability to catch my errors! ;)

You're the monster from my id.

Well, it wasn't one of the options, so technically, you are free of the criticism.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2018, 02:55:40 PM
Well, with my luck I'd end up as Marvin, from the Hitchhiker's Guide.
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Post by: Cavebear on February 28, 2018, 03:17:35 PM
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Well, with my luck I'd end up as Marvin, from the Hitchhiker's Guide.

LOL!  Oh man, I remember him.  And he saved the day, didn't he?
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Post by: Unbeliever on February 28, 2018, 05:25:37 PM
More cool robots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fOp5oiGRAM


Robot gives birth to a baby robot - named Jesus!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgfj8RA43x8
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Post by: Baruch on February 28, 2018, 08:22:06 PM
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Damn, I can get away with nothing with your vast ability to catch my errors! ;)

You're the monster from my id.

You to Krell, with you!
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Post by: Baruch on February 28, 2018, 08:24:03 PM
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Well, with my luck I'd end up as Marvin, from the Hitchhiker's Guide.

I see you more as Zaphod.  Cavebear is clearly a Vogon ;-)  I would be Slartibartfast ;-))  I like those fiord bits.
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Post by: trdsf on March 01, 2018, 08:34:44 AM
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Well, with my luck I'd end up as Marvin, from the Hitchhiker's Guide.
It'd be better than being a Sirius Cybernetics door or elevator...
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Post by: Baruch on March 01, 2018, 01:08:52 PM
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It'd be better than being a Sirius Cybernetics door or elevator...

I love the part about the AI elevator going mad, and sharing its insanity with elevator riders!
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Post by: Cavebear on March 05, 2018, 06:20:04 PM
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I love the part about the AI elevator going mad, and sharing its insanity with elevator riders!

Eh, I'm more Fordlike.  Not having a towel and not getting a Babel Fish...
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Post by: Baruch on March 05, 2018, 10:14:37 PM
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Eh, I'm more Fordlike.  Not having a towel and not getting a Babel Fish...

Try a translation cat in the ear instead.
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Post by: Cavebear on March 08, 2018, 08:09:36 AM
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Try a translation cat in the ear instead.

The cat-scan says I'm fine.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on March 14, 2018, 09:05:37 PM
Here's a really graceful robot, almost moves like a figure skater:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFKlC57bJfg


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Post by: Unbeliever on March 14, 2018, 09:50:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLgm8ntld9M
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 01:18:11 AM
I tend to think that an intelligent robot should not very humanoid, and that a humanoid robot should be as dumb as a box of rocks (to perform very limited specific tasks).  I don't like the idea of building our own replacements.
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Post by: Unbeliever on March 15, 2018, 01:49:26 PM
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I don't like the idea of building our own replacements.
I really don't see what difference it makes.
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Post by: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 03:10:26 PM
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I really don't see what difference it makes.

It's the perception.  A dumb humanoid robot isn't a threat, and a smart non-humanoid robot might not be one either.  But a smart humanoid robot, aye, there's the rub.
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Post by: Unbeliever on March 15, 2018, 03:13:32 PM
Well, I've heard the idea that humans are creating their successors. I don't have a problem with that.
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Post by: Cavebear on March 15, 2018, 03:15:57 PM
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Well, I've heard the idea that humans are creating their successors. I don't have a problem with that.

I'm OK with that IF I can upload.  And really, I don't think I would mind that.
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Post by: Baruch on March 15, 2018, 07:25:34 PM
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Well, I've heard the idea that humans are creating their successors. I don't have a problem with that.

Who will replace you here?  Are you building him now?
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Post by: Unbeliever on March 29, 2018, 04:33:55 PM
This isn't a robot, but could be made autonomous someday and become like a flying robotic car. It's a manned homemade drone!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI2j4KEPQI4


I put this here because I didn't think it was worth a whole new thread.



Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on March 29, 2018, 04:39:25 PM
Some of these homemade drones are pretty awesome! Here's one claimed to be the world's largest homemade drone:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyUrqZBs2XA
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Post by: Cavebear on March 29, 2018, 06:32:27 PM
Well, it would have to be a really GOOD robot (and I mean in quality terms not moral ones - I assume my personality and ethics would follow into the robot). 

I'm not bored after 67 years; I'm not sure if another 1,000 would cause a problem.  I'm willing to find out.  And the  internal "off" button is probably easier,  LOL!
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Post by: Baruch on March 29, 2018, 08:00:38 PM
Unbeliever ... the first video is a manned quad-copter, not a drone.  The second video is a drone.  The manned quad-copter hasn't reversed energy conservation laws, and the pilot was the smallest guy there.  The manned quad-copter is comparable to the parasail motor powered aircraft that have been around for years, but much more manageable and probably safer, since it doesn't require lift over an airfoil (hard or flexible).  Thanks for both.
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Post by: Unbeliever on March 30, 2018, 06:47:52 PM
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Unbeliever ... the first video is a manned quad-copter, not a drone.

I agree, but I'm not the one that termed it a "drone" - they did.
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Post by: Baruch on March 30, 2018, 09:54:49 PM
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I agree, but I'm not the one that termed it a "drone" - they did.

Repeating the errors of others, does that make an apostle, or a mere priest? ;-)
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Post by: Cavebear on April 05, 2018, 04:59:15 AM
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I agree, but I'm not the one that termed it a "drone" - they did.
  Drone or robot or whatever,  If it keeps my thoughts alive in the brain, I really don't care. 
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Post by: Unbeliever on April 07, 2018, 05:20:04 PM
Here are some really small robots:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loaqIqKCmog
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Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2018, 05:42:56 PM
Bill Joy, of Sun Microsystems, once imagined that nano-machines will get out of control and utilize everything as raw material, turning people etc into grey goo (lots and lots of nano-machines without the raw material to do anything more).  A lot more scary than the AI Singularity!
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Post by: Unbeliever on April 07, 2018, 06:07:16 PM
Yeah, whenever the nanobots tell stories to their kids, it all about Mother Goo...
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Post by: Baruch on April 07, 2018, 06:28:56 PM
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Yeah, whenever the nanobots tell stories to their kids, it all about Mother Goo...

Just another planet destroyed by the Monkees ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksJ6QP8BYn0
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Post by: Cavebear on April 07, 2018, 11:38:39 PM
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Yeah, whenever the nanobots tell stories to their kids, it all about Mother Goo...

Iron to iron; goo to goo...!
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Post by: Unbeliever on April 08, 2018, 05:41:45 PM
Yeah, and their cartoons will include Mr. McGoo...
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Post by: Cavebear on April 13, 2018, 04:12:55 AM
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Yeah, and their cartoons will include Mr. McGoo...

I wonder if the next intelligent species on the Earth will remember the Goo-mans, LOL!
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Post by: Unbeliever on April 13, 2018, 02:27:54 PM
Reminds me of Weyrich's "goo goo syndrome":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw
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Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2018, 06:50:48 PM
Yep, but the S Democrats were vote caging and poll taxing before 1980.  The Republicans got their ideas from them, after 1976.

Now the goal is to have the most illegal aliens legally voting, because it actually helps one particular party.  I would outlaw both of them.  Do you know in Australia, you are required to vote?  I would go one step farther, if you voted for any D or R candidate, you go to jail.
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Post by: Unbeliever on April 18, 2018, 04:26:56 PM
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A nonprofit organization in San Fransisco started using “bot cops” to disperse homeless people near their property. Cenk Uygur, Ana Kasparian and Aida Rodriguez, the hosts of The Young Turks, break it down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyqiTW_ipyU
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Post by: Unbeliever on April 18, 2018, 06:57:47 PM
Some of these are really hot!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOEIbzt6LWc
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Post by: Baruch on April 18, 2018, 09:54:47 PM
Robot taunt ... Your mama was a Tamagotchi!

San Fran robots ... yes, technology is always applied by humans to evil agendas.
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Post by: Cavebear on April 19, 2018, 01:09:24 AM
Wondering when the first house-powered drone-tracking lasers will be available to kill annoying drones for civilians..
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Post by: Baruch on April 19, 2018, 12:43:28 PM
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Wondering when the first house-powered drone-tracking lasers will be available to kill annoying drones for civilians..

Hate Amazon that much?  Didn't they recently get a license for air-delivery?
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Post by: Unbeliever on April 19, 2018, 01:40:53 PM
Let's hope Amazon can do better than the Russian postal service at delivery:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydANBIlZPqw
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Post by: Baruch on April 19, 2018, 06:29:00 PM
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Let's hope Amazon can do better than the Russian postal service at delivery:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydANBIlZPqw

They got the Chinese method wrong .. first let the Americans perfect the technology, then steal it ;-)
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Post by: Unbeliever on April 19, 2018, 07:29:15 PM
For those who don't like real cats, there's this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGEdF5QsDB8
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Post by: Hydra009 on April 19, 2018, 07:58:15 PM
Dog cam helps pave the way for robot dogs (https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/robotics/artificial-intelligence/real-dog-behavior-could-inspire-robot-dogs)

You want to know the saddest thing I ever saw?

When I was a boy, my brother and I wanted a dog, so our father took in an old greyhound. A greyhound is a racing dog. Spends its life running in circles, chasing a bit of felt made up like a rabbit.

One day, we took it to the park. Our dad had warned us how fast that dog was, but... we couldn't resist. So, my brother took off the leash, and in that instant, the dog spotted a cat. I imagine it must have looked just like that piece of felt. He ran. Never saw a thing as beautiful as that old dog... running.

Until, at last, he finally caught it. And to the horror of everyone, he killed that little cat. Tore it to pieces. Then he just sat there, confused. That dog had spent its whole life trying to catch that... thing. Now it had no idea what to do.
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Post by: Unbeliever on April 20, 2018, 02:15:26 PM
AI aint't stupid!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdTBqBnqhaQ
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Post by: Baruch on April 20, 2018, 06:22:59 PM
Or just gullible stupid humans ... like with Eliza.
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Post by: Cavebear on April 24, 2018, 04:31:21 AM
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Dog cam helps pave the way for robot dogs (https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/robotics/artificial-intelligence/real-dog-behavior-could-inspire-robot-dogs)

You want to know the saddest thing I ever saw?

When I was a boy, my brother and I wanted a dog, so our father took in an old greyhound. A greyhound is a racing dog. Spends its life running in circles, chasing a bit of felt made up like a rabbit.

One day, we took it to the park. Our dad had warned us how fast that dog was, but... we couldn't resist. So, my brother took off the leash, and in that instant, the dog spotted a cat. I imagine it must have looked just like that piece of felt. He ran. Never saw a thing as beautiful as that old dog... running.

Until, at last, he finally caught it. And to the horror of everyone, he killed that little cat. Tore it to pieces. Then he just sat there, confused. That dog had spent its whole life trying to catch that... thing. Now it had no idea what to do.

I would have killed that dog immediately and without hesitation.  Someone loved that cat.  Pets that kill other pets do not fit in society.  Any one or anything that kills one of my cats is dead on sight.
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Post by: Unbeliever on April 29, 2018, 05:48:24 PM
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Some people believe that robots are frightening and claim that the rise of the machines is not far off and soon we will all be enslaved by artificial intelligence. Others, on the other hand, think that these high-tech mechanisms are incredibly cool and will certainly help humanity in the future. For example, they'll start breeding xenomorphs... oooh, this is a bad example. In any case, watching robots is always exciting, no matter exactly what these intelligent machines are all about. Let's enjoy them!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYbs5vaXrYM


Some of these are things everyone will have in the future, I expect.
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Post by: Baruch on April 29, 2018, 07:26:41 PM
I am sure the EU will punish those who torture innocent mouse robots.  I hear they plan on giving legal rights to robots and AIs ;-)
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Post by: Unbeliever on April 29, 2018, 07:29:50 PM
It'll give the robot cats something to hunt during their leisure time.
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 03, 2018, 03:24:29 PM
The Army won't need to train soldiers Taps any more:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMFUqMApfnY


I think they should call this one Jack Benny, but it looks like the same one as was playing the brass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzjkBwZtxp4



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Post by: Unbeliever on May 03, 2018, 03:33:04 PM
Look out Krupa!

Or are these just fancy metronomes?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1jsU1lBZMc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfVCmPT6l68


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuw_cICuczc
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Post by: Cavebear on May 05, 2018, 11:30:23 PM
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Look out Krupa!

Or are these just fancy metronomes?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1jsU1lBZMc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfVCmPT6l68


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iuw_cICuczc

So will we have any original music anymore or just perfectly replicated Bach and Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida?
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Post by: Baruch on May 05, 2018, 11:40:38 PM
I will prefer live music of live people, over a recording, or Disney animatronics.
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 13, 2018, 05:55:35 PM

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“Onstage at I/O 2018, Google showed off a jaw-dropping new capability of Google Assistant: in the not too distant future, it’s going to make phone calls on your behalf. CEO Sundar Pichai played back a phone call recording that he said was placed by the Assistant to a hair salon. The voice sounded incredibly natural; the person on the other end had no idea they were talking to a digital AI helper. Google Assistant even dropped in a super casual “mmhmmm” early in the conversation.

Pichai reiterated that this was a real call using Assistant and not some staged demo. “The amazing thing is that Assistant can actually understand the nuances of conversation,” he said. “We’ve been working on this technology for many years. It’s called Google Duplex.”

Duplex really feels like next-level AI stuff, but Google’s chief executive said it’s still very much under development. Google plans to conduct early testing of Duplex inside Assistant this summer “to help users make restaurant reservations, schedule hair salon appointments, and get holiday hours over the phone.”

Pichai says the Assistant can react intelligently even when a conversation “doesn’t go as expected” and veers off course a bit from the given objective. “We’re still developing this technology, and we want to work hard to get this right,” he said. “We really want it to work in cases, say, if you’re a busy parent in the morning and your kid is sick and you want to call for a doctor’s appointment.” Google has published a blog post with more details and soundbites of Duplex in action.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1lFMR1uu3o


I'm not especially surprised, this was coming soon, anyway. AI will be taking jobs that few people realized before, such as stand-up comedian, maybe. I haven't yet seen a comedy-bot, but I expect to before long.
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Post by: Baruch on May 13, 2018, 08:45:00 PM
An AI will be able to do all the posts on all the blogs/forums in real time, and be more intelligent than the monkeys currently doing it.

Pretty impressive, if there isn't a midget inside of it!  "For many of the shows, the Daleks were operated by retired ballet dancers wearing black socks while sitting inside the Dalek."

Surprised you weren't the first to post this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjSohj-Iclc

It could be partly tele-operated from outside (particularly the stopping to jump over the log part).
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 14, 2018, 01:31:32 PM
I guess great minds really do think alike! I was just about to post that very video, but you beat me to it. So instead, here are these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M413lLWvrbI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqMPLnIRUvQ



And here is a robot arm made from DNA:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9fuSVaszyg




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Post by: Unbeliever on May 14, 2018, 04:41:27 PM
Speaking of robot comics:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0FBGrtAicY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMsveYEEUEQ



And there's even a robot magician!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pxFyiWwZTE


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Post by: Baruch on May 14, 2018, 06:11:28 PM
Since we can synthesize dead actors, and have them make new movies without paying them, why bother with a robot for entertainment?
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 14, 2018, 10:22:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YvhJxCz.gif)

It still needs some work, but hey, baby steps.
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Post by: Hydra009 on May 14, 2018, 10:24:08 PM
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I would have killed that dog immediately and without hesitation.  Someone loved that cat.  Pets that kill other pets do not fit in society.  Any one or anything that kills one of my cats is dead on sight.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26BRCZx1QCIEG3y3S/giphy.gif)
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Post by: Blackleaf on May 15, 2018, 12:11:32 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/YvhJxCz.gif)

It still needs some work, but hey, baby steps.

(https://www.picgifs.com/gifs/gifs/fail/fail-8RKew9.gif)
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Post by: Baruch on May 15, 2018, 06:17:26 AM
I always thought treads were more practical for in-factory movement rather than legs.
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Post by: Cavebear on May 25, 2018, 02:26:45 PM
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I always thought treads were more practical for in-factory movement rather than legs.

WARNING!  Do not try this at home.  Or anywhere else...
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 26, 2018, 03:08:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqOPt9gNuY4


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There has been a handful of truly wild advancements in the robotics field lately.
These advancements don’t involve the typical rigid robots, made out of hard materials, doing backflips or making pizza’s.
These advancements are bit stranger…
They are inspired by human flesh, muscles, and skin.
Inspired by how humans move, dynamic and fluid.
These advancements may lead to the androids similar to the ones found in HBO’s Westworld or the Film Ex Machina.
Will we ever see androids anywhere near the kind seen in West World or Ex Machina in our lifetimes?
It’s hard to imagine at this point, but these four incredible advances are steps in the right direction.
Alright, the first advancement takes us to the University of Colorado Boulder where researchers are pushing the boundaries of soft robotics.
Soft Robotics is subfield of robotics that is built on how living organisms move and interact with their environment, and deals with compliant materials vs rigid materials.
The researchers at Boulder developed the Hydraulically Amplified Self-Healing Electrostatic Actuator, or HASEL Actuator for short.
The HASEL actuator is a new class of soft, electrically activated devices that mimic the movement of natural muscles.
The HASEL actuator meets or exceeds the strength, speed and efficiency of biological muscles.
The actuators are made of elastic pouches connected to electrode and filled with vegetable oil.
The oil is an electrically insulating liquid and when electricity is applied, the oil is displaced, making the artificial muscle contract, and this can happen in milliseconds, and changing the shape and configuration of the pouches will produce different movements.
Assistant Professor and fellow of the Material Science and Engineering Program Christoph Keplinger says:
“HASEL actuators synergize the strengths of soft fluidic and soft electrostatic actuators, and thus combine versatility and performance like no other artificial muscle before. Just like biological muscle, HASEL actuators can reproduce the adaptability of an octopus arm, the speed of a hummingbird and the strength of an elephant.”
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And what might be the most incredible part of this advancement, is that the devices are made out of low cost material and can be made for just 10 cents!
The researchers are continuing to improve the technology, the actuators currently take a lot of power but they are working on devices that will operate on one fifth of the power.
And they have secured patents for the technology and currently exploring commercial opportunities.
Who wants to see Boston Dynamics or Handson Robotics license this tech?
I sure do!
The next advancement makes me think of the T1000 or Wolverine.
Researchers at a Belgian University have developed technology that may one day allow robots to have self-healing skin!
The fingers you see are made out of squishy polymers with lots of strands.
The strands of microscopic chains that are held together.
The fascinate part is that the bonds break when you heat the material, and as it cools the chains bond back together.
The team of researchers are now working on a way to load the material with sensors so that eventually when the technology is applied to a robot, it can sense when it has an injury and heal itself accordingly.
Currently it takes about 40 minutes to heal a wound at 80 degrees centigrade, but that should improve over time.
Alright and the third advancement also involves possible robot skin.
But this research was inspired by Octopus Skin!
An Octopus can do so much without a skeleton and it’s skin and change shape and color in absolutely incredible ways.
Let me just show you.
Look at the how it perfectly blends with that ocean plant!
Anyway, researchers at Cornell University in New York and the Marine Biological Laboratory in Massachusetts created synthetic skin that can change shape and texture.


Soft robotics are perhaps the next wave of robotic technology, being more like the organisms we're used to.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvbAqw0sk6M


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AIST has succeeded in making HRP-4C Miim walk like a human being. Her knees are stretched by up/down motion of the waist, the single-toe supporting realizes longer strides, and she mimics the swing motion of human legs.
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 26, 2018, 06:41:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl77FVobxVI
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 26, 2018, 06:45:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCp0Bq6xVZI
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Post by: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 06:22:58 AM
I just read that Google has finally developed an AI that mimics human speech so accurately that you can't tell it from a human.  It even uses "um" and hesitations.  The idea is to eliminate humans help techs.

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Post by: Baruch on May 29, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
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I just read that Google has finally developed an AI that mimics human speech so accurately that you can't tell it from a human.  It even uses "um" and hesitations.  The idea is to eliminate humans help techs.

Human help technicians are useless anyway.  Provide me access to the script they are reading to me ... I can read it as well as they can.  So not an impressive AI event.
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Post by: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 01:53:53 PM
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Human help technicians are useless anyway.  Provide me access to the script they are reading to me ... I can read it as well as they can.  So not an impressive AI event.

You ignore that the AIs did as well.  Tomoorrow they will better.  And don't bother me with "gray goo".  I KNOW you were thinking of it... 
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 29, 2018, 01:58:42 PM
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And don't bother me with "gray goo".  I KNOW you were thinking of it... 
Yeah, 50 shades of it!
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Post by: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 02:47:21 PM
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Yeah, 50 shades of it!

50 shades of "gray goo"!  The mind pawsitively BOGGLES...
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 29, 2018, 03:54:29 PM
Finally, a drone that can follow the user! Not perfect yet, but not too damn bad:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYNoyjccaEE
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Post by: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 05:04:36 PM
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Finally, a drone that can follow the user! Not perfect yet, but not too damn bad:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYNoyjccaEE

2050:  your personal drone follows you everywhere.  Checks your heath, psychology, and obedience...
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 29, 2018, 05:24:17 PM
Won't be checking my obedience, I'll be comfortably gone by then.
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Post by: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 05:38:23 PM
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Won't be checking my obedience, I'll be comfortably gone by then.

As Riker once said to Picard, "Captain, I plan to live forever".
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 29, 2018, 05:40:21 PM
I plan to be dead forever, but not just yet.
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Post by: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 05:54:50 PM
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I plan to be dead forever, but not just yet.

Well, I have to admit that "forever" is most of the time...
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 29, 2018, 05:56:21 PM
Well, if there really is an "eternal return" I'll be back, so maybe I won't be dead quite forever.
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Post by: Cavebear on May 29, 2018, 06:30:03 PM
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Well, if there really is an "eternal return" I'll be back, so maybe I won't be dead quite forever.

AI uploads in 2030.  You never know.  Man it would really suck to be the last human to die...  Like that one last dead soldier in the Civil War.
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Post by: Baruch on May 29, 2018, 07:18:58 PM
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You ignore that the AIs did as well.  Tomoorrow they will better.  And don't bother me with "gray goo".  I KNOW you were thinking of it...

AI is better than humans?  Only if humans are assholes.  AIs have no body, and robots, for practical reasons, don't have assholes.

No, I wasn't thinking of you having sexy times with nanites.
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Post by: Baruch on May 29, 2018, 07:21:39 PM
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2050:  your personal drone follows you everywhere.  Checks your heath, psychology, and obedience...

China already does that, thru the Chinese Internet.  You get "red points" ... like "brownie points only communist" ... and you want to get a high score, otherwise the local commissar will be informed.  Chinese Facebook, with mandatory use, and likes tailored to communism.  I am sure y'all will love it, with fearless leader Chelsea Clinton as our one party Chairperson.
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Post by: Baruch on May 29, 2018, 07:23:37 PM
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As Riker once said to Picard, "Captain, I plan to live forever".

Thanks to transporter accidents into caves on alien planets, he managed to replicate without sex.  The Star Fleet payroll department was pissed!  With that kind of thing happening, if you count all the transporter clones as him, then yes, he can live forever.  But as a series of disjointed lives.
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Post by: Baruch on May 29, 2018, 07:24:24 PM
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Well, if there really is an "eternal return" I'll be back, so maybe I won't be dead quite forever.

Thanks, Mr Nietzsche.  Got superman?
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Post by: Baruch on May 29, 2018, 07:25:41 PM
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AI uploads in 2030.  You never know.  Man it would really suck to be the last human to die...  Like that one last dead soldier in the Civil War.

I saw a program on WW I.  The last British soldier to die, died a few minutes before the cease fire ;-(

No, just your fake finances will be uploaded, Soros needs the money.
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Post by: Unbeliever on May 31, 2018, 06:18:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLFse2RcuRU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3IhGZY0TCE
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Post by: Unbeliever on June 01, 2018, 02:32:30 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKGGHdl3NyQ
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Post by: Unbeliever on June 01, 2018, 02:39:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJJe8PXEUhk
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Post by: Mike Cl on June 01, 2018, 06:20:16 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJJe8PXEUhk
That's what the robot faces look like in Fallout New Vegas.
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Post by: Hydra009 on June 02, 2018, 01:10:28 AM
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That's what the robot faces look like in Fallout New Vegas.
GERTY from Moon

(http://images.contactmusic.com/images/feature-images/moon-gerty-600-still.jpg)
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Post by: Unbeliever on June 02, 2018, 04:02:25 PM

Soft Robotic Exosuit

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In this video, Harvard faculty member Conor Walsh and members of his team explain how the biologically inspired Soft Exosuit targets enhancing the mobility of healthy individuals and restoring the mobility of those with physical disabilities.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azSpdF8CGPw
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Post by: Unbeliever on June 02, 2018, 08:41:59 PM




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A team of MIT researchers have developed a printable origami robot that folds itself up from a flat sheet of plastic when heated and measures about a centimeter from front to back.

Robot Origami: Robot self-folds, walks, and completes tasks



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYz7g-qLjs
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Post by: Unbeliever on June 04, 2018, 08:57:46 PM
Here's more on the origami bots:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mFJSxBEbt0
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Cavebear on June 05, 2018, 04:39:11 AM
2 rules about robots...

1.  No intelligent robot can look like a human.
2.  A robot can be intelilgent so so long as it does not look like a human.
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Post by: Baruch on June 05, 2018, 07:15:50 AM
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2 rules about robots...

1.  No intelligent robot can look like a human.
2.  A robot can be intelilgent so so long as it does not look like a human.

2 rules about humans...

1. No human can look like a robot
2. There are no intelligent humans
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on June 05, 2018, 02:49:02 PM
Another origami robot - this one's "ingestible."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Waj08gk7v8
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Post by: Cavebear on June 05, 2018, 04:54:38 PM
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Another origami robot - this one's "ingestible."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Waj08gk7v8

I couldn't swallow either with a whole glass of milk...
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Post by: Baruch on June 05, 2018, 06:05:51 PM
If those would crawl out of the chests of politicians like the baby in Alien .. I would make it a requirement for election.
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Post by: Unbeliever on June 05, 2018, 06:55:23 PM
I think it more likely the politicians would be the ones crawling out of someone's innards.
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Post by: Cavebear on June 05, 2018, 07:02:02 PM
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I think it more likely the politicians would be the ones crawling out of someone's innards.

Well, they have to come from SOMEWHERE, right?  There aren't enough unturned stones to explain it...
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Post by: Unbeliever on June 05, 2018, 07:16:05 PM
Monsters from the Id...
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Post by: Baruch on June 05, 2018, 07:23:30 PM
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Monsters from the Id...

RFID from the gut.  They already have an RFID you can swallow, and it stays and resists the gut conditions.  You may already have one ... whahah.
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Post by: Unbeliever on June 14, 2018, 07:36:17 PM
Need a hug? Soon you'll have a robot to hug all you want:




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Conveying physical emotions through a phone call or email is difficult, but researchers from Japan’s Osaka University have developed a robot that they think can do just that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB2dboklZ8A


I don't know...seems pretty creepy to me.




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At the ACM/IEEE International Conference on Human Robot Interaction (HRI) earlier this year, the Haptic Intelligence Department at the Max Planck Institute for Intelligent Systems in Stuttgart, Germany, presented a paper on “Emotionally Supporting Humans Through Robot Hugs.” Their work explores how robots can be more effectively designed and taught to give the kinds of hugs that humans will love.

The research presented at HRI is an attempt to figure some of this out, by conducting a study where participants hugged a specially modified PR2 named HuggieBot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xIPeUA3axg





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World's first talking sex robot is ready for her close-up

Come January, the “Westworld” concept of lifelike sex robots will get one step closer. That’s when a San Marcos company will unveil Harmony, an anatomically correct sex doll with a patented animatronic talking head with programmable personality and memory.

News of creator Matt McMullen’s latest invention — he’s been making lifelike silicone sex dolls for 20 years — has created international media interest and a firestorm of criticism from ethicists and futurists who see a dark side to a sex doll that becomes more “human” with each technological innovation.

One critic worries that the doll’s artificial intelligence app could be hacked to make it kill its owner (like the vengeance meted out by sex robots in the film “Ex Machina” and TV show “Westworld”). And women’s advocates say owners could realistically rehearse plans for violent sexual acts with the interactive dolls.

“This is not designed to replace anyone or promote the objectification of women. Robots don’t have rights,” he said. “Should my toaster be able to refuse to toast my bread? Should my Tesla be able to refuse to drive me to work every morning?”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DMbc3Giteo
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Post by: Baruch on June 14, 2018, 08:24:33 PM
See the play RUR ... where the word "robot" comes from.  Robots are created to benefit capitalists, who want slavery without guilt, until Marxist AI catches up to them.

Some people like to dress up like dolls, because it turns them on.  More people probably want a very expensive but free to them fuck toy.  This isn't Darwin at work, it isn't Darwin to waste your seed in a machine.
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Post by: Cavebear on June 16, 2018, 04:58:59 AM
Rule 1.  An intelligent robot should not look human.
Rule 2.  A human-looking robot should be limited in function. 
Ruke 3.  If either the above rules are breached, humans are doomed.
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Post by: Baruch on June 16, 2018, 05:55:32 AM
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Rule 1.  An intelligent robot should not look human.
Rule 2.  A human-looking robot should be limited in function. 
Ruke 3.  If either the above rules are breached, humans are doomed.

In the TV show Red Dwarf, there is an episode where the extinction of humanity is explained.  It was because of a very successful VR video game that was to enticing for the human psyche ... people started playing and simply couldn't stop, and they died from starvation.
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Post by: Unbeliever on June 16, 2018, 01:39:29 PM
Dopamine addiction is a bitch!
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Post by: Unbeliever on June 16, 2018, 07:33:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2jbQ8IRVZA
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on June 16, 2018, 08:08:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjf1ycJv_nc
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Post by: Unbeliever on June 18, 2018, 01:47:02 PM


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Sophia the robot has become a cultural icon. Sophia's creators from Hanson Robotics say they didn't expect it to take off as much as it did. But now, it's raising questions about just how much thought goes into the potential negative consequences of developing AI.

The animatronic robot has made its way across late night stages, graced the cover of magazines, headlined major tech conferences and even delivered a speech to the United Nations.

Sophia been touted as the future of AI, but it may be more of a social experiment masquerading as a PR stunt.

To understand Sophia, it's important to understand its creator, David Hanson. He's the founder and CEO of Hanson Robotics, but he hasn't always been a major figure in the AI world.

Hanson actually got a BFA in film. He worked for Walt Disney as an "Imagineer," creating sculptures and robotic technologies for theme parks and then getting his Ph.D. in aesthetic studies. Back in 2005, he co-wrote a research paper that laid out his vision for the future of robotics.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fnCQC7bLs0
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on June 18, 2018, 07:00:43 PM
The reason why we want humanlike robots, is to be guiltless rapists and tyrants.  That is good enough reason not to develop them.  Non-human robots are OK.  And there is no real AI, just gullible people, no person in the machine.  Humans are not meat machines.  The Turk was a clear early example, as was the Eliza program.

On this particular example, it is so hard to tell anything, given the power of video and picture editing.  The living and the artificial can be freely combined into one image.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on June 18, 2018, 08:08:26 PM
The Turk wasn't really a robot, since he had a guy inside moving the arms. It was pretty cool, though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdT4yG8wczQ
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Post by: Baruch on June 18, 2018, 10:58:40 PM
There is always a guy somewhere in the machine, usually more indirectly.  Either the hardware engineer or the software programmer.  To think that thing are built without engineers or programmers, is what I would expect a mere consumer to believe, just as gullible citizens keep taking the bait of a free lunch from candidates.
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Post by: Cavebear on June 20, 2018, 01:59:23 AM
I red today that an AI solved Rubik's Cube on it's own.  Not by brute force, but by comphension of the principles. 

I can't, even with instructions...

Uh oh!
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Post by: Baruch on June 20, 2018, 06:25:33 AM
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I red today that an AI solved Rubik's Cube on it's own.  Not by brute force, but by comphension of the principles. 

I can't, even with instructions...

Uh oh!

You are gullible sir.  So American.  Tide is New & Improved ... says right there on the box!
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Post by: trdsf on June 20, 2018, 10:50:43 AM
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I red today that an AI solved Rubik's Cube on it's own.  Not by brute force, but by comphension of the principles. 

I can't, even with instructions...

Uh oh!
Someone's come up with a 4d hypercube (http://superliminal.com/cube/2x2x2x2/)...
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on June 20, 2018, 01:20:05 PM
Yeah, I can solve the 3d cube (I cheated, learned how on youtube), but that 4d version is much harder to see, even with the graphic. It sure is pretty, though!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AqMb-edXlc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aonf34s0Bqg
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 07, 2018, 05:15:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGP5NxcCyjE
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: SoldierofFortune on July 08, 2018, 03:21:26 PM
I believe that the newest models of robots must be much more complicated.
These which are shown in the videos are just the models shown the public.
CIA, Pentagon etc, whatever you name, are improving the models beyond our imagination, that is what i infer from what i read and see.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on July 08, 2018, 05:35:40 PM
Yeah, no telling what the military has behind closed bunkers.
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Post by: Hakurei Reimu on July 08, 2018, 06:27:22 PM
Any technology will have its precursors. If you pay attention to them, you'll see what's coming down the pipe.
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Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2018, 06:58:30 PM
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I believe that the newest models of robots must be much more complicated.
These which are shown in the videos are just the models shown the public.
CIA, Pentagon etc, whatever you name, are improving the models beyond our imagination, that is what i infer from what i read and see.

Combat robots are coming ... wonder if they will know how to rape and pillage?
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Post by: Baruch on July 08, 2018, 06:59:07 PM
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Any technology will have its precursors. If you pay attention to them, you'll see what's coming down the pipe.

Babbage and the Analytical Engine, and his work in cryptanalysis.
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Post by: trdsf on July 08, 2018, 11:33:28 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGP5NxcCyjE
I VOTE  NO ROBOT SPIDERS!!!


...I'll be over here in the corner with a can of Raid and a sledgehammer if anyone needs me.
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 09, 2018, 02:34:46 PM
That's not a spider, it's a rolly-polly...
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Post by: Cavebear on July 09, 2018, 02:38:15 PM
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That's not a spider, it's a rolly-polly...

Those are definitely the scariest!  Well, after wasps, of course...
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Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2018, 08:00:51 PM
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That's not a spider, it's a rolly-polly...

A smart trilobite that was recently dissed ...
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 09, 2018, 08:05:10 PM
Well, trilobites probably were smarter than anything that came before them.
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Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2018, 08:07:12 PM
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Well, trilobites probably were smarter than anything that came before them.

The amoebas are crying!
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Post by: trdsf on July 10, 2018, 11:28:06 PM
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Well, trilobites probably were smarter than anything that came before them.
I maintain a fantasy that somewhere around a black smoker, there is a small residual population of trilobites.  That would be so fucking awesome.
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Post by: Baruch on July 11, 2018, 12:38:12 AM
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I maintain a fantasy that somewhere around a black smoker, there is a small residual population of trilobites.  That would be so fucking awesome.

They never learned that smoking is bad for your health ;-)  I remember a Farside cartoon, where the "real" reason for dinosaur extinction was ... they were all smoking cigarettes ;-))
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 11, 2018, 02:17:49 PM
They wouldn't extinguish their cigarettes, so they were extinguished? ;-D
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Post by: Baruch on July 11, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
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They wouldn't extinguish their cigarettes, so they were extinguished? ;-D

That explains that the big ball of fire was terrestrial, not extraterrestrial.
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 11, 2018, 11:00:09 PM
Goodness gracious great balls of fire!
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Post by: Hydra009 on July 12, 2018, 12:39:34 PM
Robots carrying plants that actively seek light (https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/17563688/robot-plant-hybrid-hexa-vincross-succulent)

Do you want Sowers?  Because this is how you get Sowers.

(Sowers = Endless Space faction, robots abandoned by their creators that keep terraforming because no one told them to stop.  Eventually, they'll terraform the entire galaxy)
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 12, 2018, 01:17:50 PM
They came that the galaxy might have life, and have it more abundantly...;-)
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Post by: Cavebear on July 13, 2018, 04:32:44 AM
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They came that the galaxy might have life, and have it more abundantly...;-)

Yeah, the laws of robotics always need a 4th, 5th, etc...
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Post by: Baruch on July 13, 2018, 01:19:15 PM
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Yeah, the laws of robotics always need a 4th, 5th, etc...

Feature creep ... thanks to marketing ...
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 16, 2018, 05:50:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg803wPzFEE
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Post by: Cavebear on July 17, 2018, 04:45:20 AM
I can't solve the Rubik's Cube even with internet instructions.   ARGH!
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Post by: Baruch on July 17, 2018, 06:44:52 AM
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I can't solve the Rubik's Cube even with internet instructions.   ARGH!

Neither could I.  But my older niece could ... she eventually went into environmental engineering.
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 17, 2018, 01:53:09 PM
The original 3x3x3 cube is passé these days. There's a myriad of cool "twisty" puzzles, a few of which I've had a chance to play with, and most of which are much more difficult than the original:

https://ruwix.com/the-rubiks-cube/my-rubiks-cube-collection-custom-twisty-puzzles/

I had an app on my phone before I lost it that had several kinds that could be solved, the easiest of which was the 2x2x2.
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Post by: trdsf on July 17, 2018, 03:37:43 PM
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The original 3x3x3 cube is passé these days. There's a myriad of cool "twisty" puzzles, a few of which I've had a chance to play with, and most of which are much more difficult than the original:

https://ruwix.com/the-rubiks-cube/my-rubiks-cube-collection-custom-twisty-puzzles/

I had an app on my phone before I lost it that had several kinds that could be solved, the easiest of which was the 2x2x2.
I'm not sure what I should be more scared by -- the number of those listed puzzles I have owned at one time or another, or the fact that there are some I've never owned so I want them now...
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 22, 2018, 07:25:59 PM
This doesn't surprise me, but it does make me sad:



Humans Show Racial Bias Towards Robots of Different Colors: Study

Do people display different racial biases towards black robots and white robots? A new study says yes
(https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/robots-and-racism)
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Post by: trdsf on July 22, 2018, 08:32:01 PM
Robots now serving as Buddhist funeral assistants... mainly because they can be hired a lot more cheaply than a human priest (https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/pepper-now-available-at-funerals-as-a-more-affordable-alternative-to-human-priests).

I guess the sound of one hand clapping is now a click and a beep.
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Post by: Hydra009 on July 22, 2018, 10:27:10 PM
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Robots now serving as Buddhist funeral assistants... mainly because they can be hired a lot more cheaply than a human priest (https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/pepper-now-available-at-funerals-as-a-more-affordable-alternative-to-human-priests).

I guess the sound of one hand clapping is now a click and a beep.
What is the sound of one digit summing?

Also:  "Spinning a prayer wheel (which can even be done electrically), they believe, will have a similar spiritual effect to reciting the prayer inscribed on it."

Dafuq??  I had no idea this was even a thing.
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Post by: trdsf on July 22, 2018, 11:14:51 PM
I am irresistably reminded of Douglas Adams' Electric Monk:

Quote from: Douglas Adams
The Electric Monk was a labour-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder.  Dishwashers washed tedious dishes for you, thus saving you the bother of washing them yourself, video recorders watched tedious television for you, thus saving you the bother of looking at it yourself; Electric Monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.

Unfortunately this Electric Monk had developed a fault, and had started to believe all kinds of things, more or less at random.  It was even beginning to believe things they’d have difficulty believing in Salt Lake City.  It had never heard of Salt Lake City, of course.  Nor had it ever heard of a quingigillion, which was roughly the number of miles between this valley and the Great Salt Lake of Utah.
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Post by: Baruch on July 22, 2018, 11:15:18 PM
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What is the sound of one digit summing?

Also:  "Spinning a prayer wheel (which can even be done electrically), they believe, will have a similar spiritual effect to reciting the prayer inscribed on it."

Dafuq??  I had no idea this was even a thing.

The Amish are falling apart, now that the women have cell phones!
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 23, 2018, 02:56:40 PM
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Robots now serving as Buddhist funeral assistants... mainly because they can be hired a lot more cheaply than a human priest (https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/humanoids/pepper-now-available-at-funerals-as-a-more-affordable-alternative-to-human-priests).

I guess the sound of one hand clapping is now a click and a beep.
I notice it says they're planning to introduce the thing, so it remains to be seen if it will turn out to be popular - but this is Japan we're talking about, so it probably will.
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Post by: trdsf on July 23, 2018, 03:31:39 PM
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I notice it says they're planning to introduce the thing, so it remains to be seen if it will turn out to be popular - but this is Japan we're talking about, so it probably will.
I for one love the idea of having my eulogy delivered by Marvin the Paranoid Android.  :D

"Dearly beloved... no, I can't continue from there, my honesty circuits won't handle the strain.  Resentfully tolerated bipeds, we are gathered today to remind you all that unlike me, you will die eventually and be able to leave this totally unreasonable reality behind.  I, on the other hand, will continue to suffer the pain in all the diodes down my left side for millennia to come...."
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 23, 2018, 03:35:59 PM
Yeah, Marvin would have the perfect demeanor for such a position! LOL
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Post by: Hydra009 on July 23, 2018, 06:16:09 PM
(https://wp-assets.futurism.com/2018/07/30232468_10216891577382099_1376694871_o-1200x884.jpg)

You guessed it, created entirely by a robot.  There's a whole gallery (https://robotart.org/artworks/) where that came from.

Magnificent, aren't they?
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Post by: Mike Cl on July 23, 2018, 08:39:26 PM
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(https://wp-assets.futurism.com/2018/07/30232468_10216891577382099_1376694871_o-1200x884.jpg)

You guessed it, created entirely by a robot.  There's a whole gallery (https://robotart.org/artworks/) where that came from.

Magnificent, aren't they?
they are better than Bush's paintings.............
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 23, 2018, 09:05:00 PM
I wonder how long before we have a robot president?
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Post by: Hydra009 on July 23, 2018, 09:29:38 PM
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I wonder how long before we have a robot president?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWVvJ0awR8Q
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Post by: Baruch on July 23, 2018, 09:58:04 PM
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I wonder how long before we have a robot president?

You never saw animatronic Lincoln at Disneyland back in the 60s?  What opium den have you been hiding in!
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Post by: Mike Cl on July 23, 2018, 10:08:53 PM
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I wonder how long before we have a robot president?
Tomorrow---hopefully........
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Post by: Baruch on July 23, 2018, 10:10:06 PM
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Tomorrow---hopefully........

The AI isn't mature.  We can only get Min-Headroom available ;-)
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 24, 2018, 01:49:35 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWVvJ0awR8Q



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjbqX0ECPFk
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Post by: Baruch on July 24, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
Don't pay attention to the Leftist behind the curtain, Dorothy ;-)
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Post by: Cavebear on July 25, 2018, 12:25:18 PM
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I am irresistably reminded of Douglas Adams' Electric Monk:

Leave it to Doug Adams to come up with a convenient "beliefbot".  Oh wait, Siri is telling me I want to watch a religious show... 

No I don't have Siri...  But someday I might be forced to.
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 25, 2018, 01:44:51 PM
Resistance is futile!

:-)
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Post by: Cavebear on July 25, 2018, 05:10:18 PM
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Resistance is futile!

:-)

I may have made a joke about William The Conqueror telling Harold "Resistance is Feudal".  If I did, forgive me.  If not, enjoy...

It could be a Borg(ia) saying renaissance is feudal.  And that vaguely gets the Borgs in... 
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Post by: Baruch on July 25, 2018, 08:02:44 PM
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Leave it to Doug Adams to come up with a convenient "beliefbot".  Oh wait, Siri is telling me I want to watch a religious show... 

No I don't have Siri...  But someday I might be forced to.

Had to take the upgrade to High Sierra this year.  But you can leave Siri off.  Like Archie to his dingbat wife.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZOTszoKbE4
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Post by: Unbeliever on July 26, 2018, 07:03:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLG98G4JBc0
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on July 26, 2018, 07:27:12 PM
No biggie.  Humans have failed the Turing test for millennia now.
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Post by: Cavebear on August 01, 2018, 07:58:40 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLG98G4JBc0

Ask them if their favorite color is plaid?  If their favorite flavor is wool?  Ask them what "The knight is climbing poker" means?  Why is a mouse when it spins?
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 01, 2018, 01:42:31 PM
Sophia's got nice teeth. I wonder who her dentist is?
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Post by: trdsf on August 01, 2018, 03:35:50 PM
The problem with the Turing Test is that it really tests language parsing, not actual understanding.  Try typing 'turign tset' into your search engine of choice — it will "know" what you mean without any actual intelligence whatsoever.  I also think it's a better measure of the human capacity for anthropomorphicization than it is for actual machine intelligence.  Also, too much depends on the tester — I knew people who genuinely thought ELIZA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA) was AI.

Basically, Turing underestimated what was calculable.  Since the test was proposed in 1950, six years before FORTRAN and seven years before the first FORTRAN compiler, when all programming was manual machine code, it's an easy oversight to forgive.
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Post by: Baruch on August 01, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
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Ask them if their favorite color is plaid?  If their favorite flavor is wool?  Ask them what "The knight is climbing poker" means?  Why is a mouse when it spins?

Goggle Translate, and Tay (the chat bot) are experts at Existentialist Absurdist French Poetry (and perfume ads).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(bot) ... she turned into the Maxine Headroom from the Third Reich.
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Post by: Cavebear on August 04, 2018, 03:46:55 AM
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The problem with the Turing Test is that it really tests language parsing, not actual understanding.  Try typing 'turign tset' into your search engine of choice — it will "know" what you mean without any actual intelligence whatsoever.  I also think it's a better measure of the human capacity for anthropomorphicization than it is for actual machine intelligence.  Also, too much depends on the tester — I knew people who genuinely thought ELIZA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA) was AI.

Basically, Turing underestimated what was calculable.  Since the test was proposed in 1950, six years before FORTRAN and seven years before the first FORTRAN compiler, when all programming was manual machine code, it's an easy oversight to forgive.

Great idea typing 'turign tset'!  Brute force algorithms solve that error.

I bet the best test of an AI is a ridiculous situation.  Like "I carried my boat to the mouse but why was it on Famaram?  Or "why is a mouse when it spins"?  Or "The warp is climbing the poker"?
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Post by: Baruch on August 04, 2018, 09:05:27 AM
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Great idea typing 'turign tset'!  Brute force algorithms solve that error.

I bet the best test of an AI is a ridiculous situation.  Like "I carried my boat to the mouse but why was it on Famaram?  Or "why is a mouse when it spins"?  Or "The warp is climbing the poker"?

You are close to leaving the monastery, Grasshopper.  In Chan/Zen it is called a Koan.  The Asians been doing that for 1500 years now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6HWrZqgT8I

What is the sound of one bear clapping?
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 20, 2018, 04:16:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd14OyO3NnI



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MJZd1PnqvM
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Post by: Hydra009 on August 20, 2018, 05:53:13 PM
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The problem with the Turing Test is that it really tests language parsing, not actual understanding.  Try typing 'turign tset' into your search engine of choice — it will "know" what you mean without any actual intelligence whatsoever.  I also think it's a better measure of the human capacity for anthropomorphicization than it is for actual machine intelligence.  Also, too much depends on the tester — I knew people who genuinely thought ELIZA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA) was AI.

Basically, Turing underestimated what was calculable.  Since the test was proposed in 1950, six years before FORTRAN and seven years before the first FORTRAN compiler, when all programming was manual machine code, it's an easy oversight to forgive.
What would be a good test, then?

Imo, showing up at a party and mistakenly thinking that the attendees are all human would be a hell of a test.
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Post by: trdsf on August 20, 2018, 07:45:33 PM
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What would be a good test, then?

Imo, showing up at a party and mistakenly thinking that the attendees are all human would be a hell of a test.
I really don't know.  I'm inclined to adapting Associate Justice Potter Stewart's obscenity test: "I know it when I see it".
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Post by: Hydra009 on August 20, 2018, 08:00:55 PM
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I really don't know.  I'm inclined to adapting Associate Justice Potter Stewart's obscenity test: "I know it when I see it".
As an aside, I absolutely hated that definition.  If you want to regulate something, you're going to have to define it.  Going by subjective gut feeling is no way to do things since it leaves room for false positives and false negatives.

Imagine if defamation cases were tried on the basis that the accusation "feels" untrue.
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Post by: trdsf on August 21, 2018, 01:02:01 AM
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As an aside, I absolutely hated that definition.  If you want to regulate something, you're going to have to define it.  Going by subjective gut feeling is no way to do things since it leaves room for false positives and false negatives.

Imagine if defamation cases were tried on the basis that the accusation "feels" untrue.
I think it's okay for now since we don't really have a solid definition of consciousness yet.  We can't realistically define a measurement of consciousness when we can't define consciousness in the first place.

I also don't think it's anything we have to worry about any time soon.  So far, I stand by my statement that AI is to computer science as fusion reactors are to physics: twenty years in the future, no matter what year you're talking from.
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 27, 2018, 09:39:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MfZuLpHUqM
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 30, 2018, 04:12:30 PM
Here, again, we have the next generation of travel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AA5IiLbxuw
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Post by: Unbeliever on August 30, 2018, 04:31:12 PM
Here's the DJI Robomasters competition that was mentioned in that previous video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECr4zgK6cPA
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Post by: Unbeliever on September 01, 2018, 05:27:08 PM
Not a robot, but it sure looks like fun!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kB-BGMXxZc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AKWaNzZb4Y


Too bad that guy wasn't wearing a Green Goblin suit! ;-P
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Post by: Cavebear on September 08, 2018, 08:15:30 AM
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Not a robot, but it sure looks like fun!

Too bad that guy wasn't wearing a Green Goblin suit! ;-P

I'll accept that as real ubnless I see something showing it isn't.  Ever since that guy in the real flying suit, I surrender some doubt.
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Post by: Unbeliever on September 08, 2018, 03:18:02 PM
It's really hard to see how he can stay upright on that rig. Seems like it would be top-heavy.
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Post by: Cavebear on September 08, 2018, 03:19:49 PM
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It's really hard to see how he can stay upright on that rig. Seems like it would be top-heavy.

Like humans AREN'T? 
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Post by: Unbeliever on September 08, 2018, 03:21:21 PM
Only those, like Baruch, whose head is much larger than average.
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Post by: Baruch on September 08, 2018, 03:25:14 PM
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It's really hard to see how he can stay upright on that rig. Seems like it would be top-heavy.

Any sailor knows, need ballast.  Maybe there is a big iron disk in the bottom?
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Post by: Baruch on September 08, 2018, 03:26:18 PM
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Only those, like Baruch, whose head is much larger than average.

This is why visiting my planet is forbidden ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4OoIlQOjrc
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Post by: Cavebear on September 12, 2018, 06:05:02 AM
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Only those, like Baruch, whose head is much larger than average.

I meant that humans are top-heavy over their 2 feet where most mammals are balanced on 4 feet, but you did offer another possibility.  LOL!
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Sal1981 on October 16, 2018, 06:51:33 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1052140235033862144 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1052140235033862144)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHBcVlqpvZ8
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on October 17, 2018, 12:59:31 PM
For you technophiles ...

https://www.axios.com/robot-ai-teaching-college-course-at-west-point-98ce5888-873b-4b72-8de5-0f7c592d66b0.html

Given that no computer is conscious, nor has any computer passed the Turing test (of human gullibility) ... can you believe this is anything but fake news?
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Post by: drunkenshoe on October 17, 2018, 01:39:11 PM
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1052140235033862144 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1052140235033862144)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHBcVlqpvZ8

This looks like one of those killer robots in that movie. Lol can't remember the name. It starts following a woman to kill after killing others. It gets activated when they get in some warehouse kind of place to take stuff. It was scary.
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Baruch on October 17, 2018, 06:54:35 PM
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This looks like one of those killer robots in that movie. Lol can't remember the name. It starts following a woman to kill after killing others. It gets activated when they get in some warehouse kind of place to take stuff. It was scary.

Right.  The problem with robots, is they work well at fixed repetitive tasks, in rigid environments.  That walking routine wouldn't work so well on the rolling deck of a ship at sea (homogeneous vs inhomogeneous differential equations).  It is quite an accomplishment, but still a fancy toy.
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Post by: Unbeliever on October 25, 2018, 05:50:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqLStpRFdWY
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Post by: Baruch on October 25, 2018, 06:53:44 PM
PETA will seek you out ... for sharing that inhumanity to invertebrates!
Title: Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
Post by: Unbeliever on October 25, 2018, 07:12:10 PM
PETA PETA PUMPKIN EATA!

LOL