Why the Term “Moderate Muslim†is an Oxymoron (http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/04/why-the-term-moderate-muslim-is-an-oxymoron/)
QuoteWhy has Islam been able to grow at such an unprecedented pace in Europe, and why has it been allowed to do so practically unchallenged? There are many reasons for this, but one contributing factor that has facilitated this rapid growth has been the decision to artificially divide the religion into two opposing philosophies with completely different goals and values, which has transformed it into an ideological version of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. By firmly dividing its adherents (Muslims) into two distinct camps â€" the extremists who are alleged to be misusing their religion and who only constitute a tiny minority, and the moderates who ostensibly represent the majority and who strongly opposes the extremists â€" Islam has managed to establish a defence that is almost impenetrable, and that has fostered an environment in which meaningless terms such as Islamophobia are actually given credence.
This clever distinction, which has in effect divided Islam into a moderate and an extreme form, has ensured that it can continue to grow unabated and without being properly challenged, as any terrorist attack committed by its members can be blamed on the extremists and thus also used as an argument to exonerate the moderates. It’s a form of classification or “branding taqiyya†that has served the religion well, and given it a solid argument that it can rely upon no matter what type of hurdle or obstacle that is being thrown in its way.
The mainstream media and the political classes have deliberately failed to call Islam by its proper name and actively undermined any serious attempts to scrutinize and expose the ideology for what it really is. As a result, the majority of the blame for the very precarious situation that Europe finds itself in these days has to be put squarely on their shoulders. These two powerful groups have been able to control public discourse and sway public opinion through the extensive use of lies and propaganda. Crucial facts that could have altered the course have been deliberately downplayed, and in many cases outright ignored. Unpalatable events have been omitted. The job responsibilities of the MSM and the politicians have largely been transformed into those of campaigners who pay lip service to such things as truth and accuracy â€" values that actually used to matter in the past. The absence of an in-depth analysis of Islam’s doctrines, its history and its stated goals for the future have left ordinary people blissfully unaware of the dangers that this ideology represents, and only now when Islam has seriously started to flex its muscles are they beginning to wake up from their political-correctness-induced slumber.
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Europe wanted to be all socialist and PC ... and the ME and African folks take advantage of that. Don't blame people for taking advantage of a good deal ... offer them a lesser deal.
Quote from: Baruch on April 15, 2016, 01:37:07 PM
Europe wanted to be all socialist and PC ... and the ME and African folks take advantage of that. Don't blame people for taking advantage of a good deal ... offer them a lesser deal.
The European people have no say in the decisions of their ruling class in Brussels.
Just like the American people have no say what their ruling class decides in DC.
You knew that, didn't you?
Quote from: pr126 on April 16, 2016, 12:55:37 AM
The European people have no say in the decisions of their ruling class in Brussels.
Just like the American people have no say what their ruling class decides in DC.
You knew that, didn't you?
Bullshit. "The ruling class" of brussels is democratically vited for politicians. Nothing stops you from being part of that "ruling class" except your iwn lazyness and egoism.
Quote from: pr126 on April 16, 2016, 12:55:37 AM
The European people have no say in the decisions of their ruling class in Brussels.
Just like the American people have no say what their ruling class decides in DC.
You knew that, didn't you?
In the US, we don't get to vote for SCOTUS candidates. But if you don't like your anti-democratic system, then you need American Revolution (tm) ... not sold at stores.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ivoaacg7oos
I love how at the end he said how he upgraded to the new universal operating system, logic. I think I'll use that in a debate against a theist next time.
There is no such thing as 'moderate' or 'extremist' Muslim. The mainstream Muslims are cherry pickers, just like the Christians, the fundamentalists are literalists, adhering to their dogma. Unless Islam is "reformed", the saga will continue. Fat chance for that without papacy. I am waiting for the day when the mainstream Muslims are in the streets en mass protesting the fundies. Unlikely as well. The only way to change things for the better is education from early childhood on.
Ooo... a two-for thread! Anti-Muslim and Pro-Brexit/"Overlords in Brussels!".
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I haven't had a chance to read the article yet but I'm always hesitant to invest in reading a detailed article that someone posts anonymously. If the writer isn't invested enough to stand behind his or her words why should I invest my time and take the writer seriously, particularly when the argument is an appeal to being honest and transparent.
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Is there a need to repeat the praises endlessly for the moderate Christian or the moderate Jew, or the moderate Hindu, or the moderate Buddhist, or the moderate _________________ fill in your own version of mass delusion.
So why just the "moderate" Muslims only? Are they making any change? Are they really that useful?
There are no moderates in politics. Christianity has never been reformed, just ask those buggered by priests. Jewish rabbis are caught committing crimes too.
Your answer should be ... Kill Everyone, Let G-d Sort It Out. Worked for the Albigensian Crusade. BTW .. to be European, is to be Catholic or Protestant. Which one are you? If not, you are a divisive immigrant, right?
When you really get down to it, 'moderate' muslims being people who only practice certain things from the qu'ran, these people must be fully aware of the insane shit that the qu'ran tells them to believe, so have tried to pretend to ignore it, kind of like a redneck papa trying to get his five year old son to shoot a bird with his gun.
They know their religion is fucked up, but they can't accept leaving it, so just cherry pick.
Heres a good series of facts about the qu'ran, from an ex-muslim, who became atheist when he studied it fully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ6c66G99A4
@Munch QuoteHeres a good series of facts about the qu'ran, from an ex-muslim, who became atheist when he studied it fully.
There in lies the problem I think, it is easy to the drink kool-aid however it is infinitely harder to un-drink it.
I prefer Cal Sagan's version, if God was a creator then who created God?, If the Big Bang created the universe then what created the big bang?, what came before them?. The flawed argument would seem to be one and the same converging towards a singular point in which something was born from nothing. I prefer a more subtle approach in knowing that I do not know and it may be that nothing has ever been truly created or destroyed.
It was an entertaining video... mean while we continue to hurl through the cosmos at some 2.19 million miles per hour towards the constellation Orion.
Can a muslim who believes in death for apostasy or death for homosexuals be considered moderate or does the term moderate muslim only apply to those who aren't suicidal and homicidal?
Quote from: baronvonrort on July 25, 2016, 01:29:09 AM
Can a muslim who believes in death for apostasy or death for homosexuals be considered moderate or does the term moderate muslim only apply to those who aren't suicidal and homicidal?
Any Muslim who does not presently do Qital (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/james-m-arlandson-jihad-and-qital-in-the-quran-traditions-and-classical-law#_Defining_Jihad_and) is deemed a moderate by the media.
There are many forms of jihad, one of them is qital, which is the most important one.
The root q-t-l (qital or qatala), the meaning of which is much more narrow or restricted: slaying, killing, fighting, warring, and slaughtering.
Source (https://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/james-m-arlandson-jihad-and-qital-in-the-quran-traditions-and-classical-law#_Defining_Jihad_and)
QuoteThe purpose of jihad and qital is tied to making Islam prevail over all other religions, and that goal is the perfect definition of a holy war.
I want my race, ethnicity and nationality to bugger all others ... why are you so butt-hurt over that ;-) Stop being modern and moderate ... embrace the barbarity which is humanity ... go rob, rape and kill ... or dry trying.
Quote from: baronvonrort on July 25, 2016, 01:29:09 AM
Can a muslim who believes in death for apostasy or death for homosexuals be considered moderate or does the term moderate muslim only apply to those who aren't suicidal and homicidal?
Likewise, can a muslim family who believes they control their daughter to the point of ordering her to marry and reproduce with a first-cousin, and then subsequently
threaten to have her non-muslim boyfriend killed for allowing her to come and live with him be called moderate?
I don't think so, but this is indeed the typical muslim family where I live! In my world that's extremist and far more extreme than I've ever heard of from any other religion.
J :/
@jakeeey QuoteLikewise, can a muslim family who believes they control their daughter to the point of ordering her to marry and reproduce with a first-cousin, and then subsequently threaten to have her non-muslim boyfriend killed for allowing her to come and live with him be called moderate?
In psychology the qualities which generally separate a normal well balance person from a psychopath are empathy for others and self awareness or critical thinking. Obviously your examples fail the litmus test in this respect and these people regardless of race, creed, color or religion should be considered as having severe mental disorders.
One cannot justify psychotic behavior simply because they consider it normal or it is part of their religion or beliefs or lifestyle... that's not the way it works. The context is universal and if a person lacks empathy for others and self awareness of what they think and how it effects themselves and others then they have a mental disorder... period.
It is unfortunate that even in this day and age a majority of the people on this planet still suffer from mental illness, in fact they consider it normal when it is anything but normal. So no the people you refer to cannot be considered as moderate but more so fanatic and psychotic.
QuoteIt is unfortunate that even in this day and age a majority of the people on this planet still suffer from mental illness, in fact they consider it normal when it is anything but normal. So no the people you refer to cannot be considered as moderate but more so fanatic and psychotic.
Islam teaches / inculcates psychosis from infancy.
It teaches that non-Muslims are subhuman, worthless, can be and should be fought, plundered, enslaved, raped, abused.
Islam does not teach empathy or compassion.
There is no golden rule.
Islam owes its success to terrorism. The prophet of Islam boasted,
“I have been made victorious with terror" [Bukhari: 4.52. 220]
Since the day Muhammad set foot in Medina, he started his
campaign of terror. His followers have been doing the same ever since.
Quote from: Fickle on July 26, 2016, 06:55:49 PM
@jakeeeyOne cannot justify psychotic behavior simply because they consider it normal or it is part of their religion or beliefs or lifestyle... that's not the way it works. The context is universal and if a person lacks empathy for others and self awareness of what they think and how it effects themselves and others then they have a mental disorder... period.
Actually, the DSM often specifies that religion and cultural norms should be taken into account when considering diagnoses. Whether or not that should be the case, though, is up for debate.