http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a43274/higher-iq-social-circles/
QuoteWhile the average person is happier with a large friend circle, new research reveals those with higher IQs are better off with a small one.
Evolutionary psychologists Satoshi Kanazawa of the London School of Economics and Norman Li of Singapore Management University are the authors of this intriguing study published last month in the British Journal of Psychology, and they were driven to find out how friendship affects life satisfaction and overall happiness.
Digging into data from a long-term survey of 15,000 adults aged 18 to 28, Kanazawa and Li noticed two major trends. First of all, urban dwellers were generally less happy than those living in rural areas. Secondly, people reported higher life-satisfaction with increased social interactions.
Using the "the savanna theory of happiness" to back up their research, the researchers hypothesized their findings are rooted in early man and the hunter-gather lifestyle that had people living in tribes, much more akin to small towns that big cities. "Situations and circumstances that would have increased our ancestors' life satisfaction in the ancestral environment may still increase our life satisfaction today," they wrote.
There was also one major finding in the study that threw the researchers for a loop: Highly intelligent people became less satisfied the more time they spend with friends.
"The effect of population density on life satisfaction was therefore more than twice as large for low-IQ individuals than for high-IQ individuals," they wrote. And "more intelligent individuals were actually less satisfied with life if they socialized with their friends more frequently."
The Washington Post reached out to a Brookings Institution researcher who studies the economics of happiness to explain this anomaly.
"The findings in here suggest (and it is no surprise) that those with more intelligence and the capacity to use it ... are less likely to spend so much time socializing because they are focused on some other longer term objective," Carol Graham said.
I am goal and project oriented, think socializing is boring and people are largely stupid. Another one of many reasons I dumped religion. Congregations that attract people repel me. I also don't socialize well at parties.
And based on statements made on the forum, I know there are many here that are similar. We smart. :biggrin:
Quote from: stromboli on March 24, 2016, 04:06:25 PM
We smart. :biggrin:
What do you mean "we," paleface? :taz:
I must be stupid, because I am constantly trying to organize people into social gatherings, projects, and community. Those geniuses seem to be mostly into church and family.
I occasionally find someone to hang with for a little while until some insanity puts a stop to it.
I like this study, since my social circle is about as small as it can get without my being a hermit!
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 24, 2016, 05:15:10 PM
I like this study, since my social circle is about as small as it can get without my being a hermit!
There may be some overlap between "not the life of the party" and "oddball".
Does this mean, the less friends and socializing, the smarterer? I must be Eine bier stein.
I dislike bars, churches, social gatherings and parties. For me a good book club would be me and two others. I love pc games but hate mmo's and muds or any co-op game. It took me awhile for me to accept that I am a loner and another while to accept that I like it that way.
Once more, science proves that being intelligent is not as great as it sounds...
Quote from: Unbeliever on March 24, 2016, 05:15:10 PM
I like this study, since my social circle is about as small as it can get without my being a hermit!
I resemble that remark!
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 24, 2016, 07:26:20 PM
I dislike bars, churches, social gatherings and parties. For me a good book club would be me and two others. I love pc games but hate mmo's and muds or any co-op game. It took me awhile for me to accept that I am a loner and another while to accept that I like it that way.
It took me a while to realize that I am an introvert and happier home alone than out in hordes of people. I do try to find a balance since my husband is a social butterfly though.
I am very social and make friends easily but I don't have many real friends because i don't need them and find many others to be demanding because of a "friendship". I would never ask my friends to help me move… I invite them to come over for dinner.
I can also be difficult to deal with, because I will take over if I feel something needs to be done and nobody is doing it. My boss once came to one of my construction meetings and in the middle started to prattle about some shit..I interrupted him and told him we needed to stay focused on the issue. He shut up, and never came to another.
So perhaps I am in the middle, I don't need nor require large social circles, but when I am in them, I tend to take over…..not really smart, kinda arrogant, but shit gets done!
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 24, 2016, 07:26:20 PMI dislike bars, churches, social gatherings and parties. For me a good book club would be me and two others. I love pc games but hate mmo's and muds or any co-op game. It took me awhile for me to accept that I am a loner and another while to accept that I like it that way.
You had me until co-ops and MMOs. As good as soloing is, sometimes multiplayer can be great fun.
Quote from: aitm on March 24, 2016, 08:05:04 PM
I am very social and make friends easily but I don't have many real friends because i don't need them and find many others to be demanding because of a "friendship". I would never ask my friends to help me move… I invite them to come over for dinner.
I can also be difficult to deal with, because I will take over if I feel something needs to be done and nobody is doing it. My boss once came to one of my construction meetings and in the middle started to prattle about some shit..I interrupted him and told him we needed to stay focused on the issue. He shut up, and never came to another.
So perhaps I am in the middle, I don't need nor require large social circles, but when I am in them, I tend to take over…..not really smart, kinda arrogant, but shit gets done!
But you are goal oriented. You want to get on with the project and don't want to deal with the BS in the middle. Same thing.
Quote from: AllRight on March 24, 2016, 08:02:30 PM
It took me a while to realize that I am an introvert and happier home alone than out in hordes of people. I do try to find a balance since my husband is a social butterfly though.
Introvert--that was the word I was searching for. I happily cop to that now. If the Type A personality never stops--then I guess I'm a Type Z. :)
I attribute my preference for limited social interaction to my introverted brain, not intelligence. I'm not exceptionally intelligent.
http://www.quietrev.com/6-illustrations-that-show-what-its-like-in-an-introverts-head/#.VsXKpDXXbj4.facebook
Being an atheist, I have become aware of the consumerism that guides and controls the citizenry. I feel like it's my duty to get together with other atheists to build a new way of life that is about reality and not the rails of big biz/government. I find it difficult to work by myself to create and promote original art and music that promotes reality. I need other creative people who are gung ho about waking up the public. They can theoretically be retrained.
I also have practical ideas that need intelligent people to collaborate on. I see nothing wrong with getting people together into large groups working to save the planet. How else is it supposed to be done?
Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 25, 2016, 12:40:38 AM
I attribute my preference for limited social interaction to my introverted brain, not intelligence. I'm not exceptionally intelligent.
http://www.quietrev.com/6-illustrations-that-show-what-its-like-in-an-introverts-head/#.VsXKpDXXbj4.facebook
Loved the link! Once upon a time I was delving deeply into astrology. I even had purchased the resources that allowed me to cast horoscopes. Anyway, those introvert illustration points are often used to describe what a Libra (which is what I am--with a Libra rising, as well) is like. :)))) Libra's are not noted for quick decisions--too much to weigh on each side. Anyway, I can now let that last vestige of astrology thinking slide away to be be replaced by those more scientific explanations of how I process the world around me. Thanks, GSO. :))
These 'study' topics starting with "People With Higher IQs do/are..." are the reiki tiki fikiki of the nonreligious. And every one of them has a high IQ of course. I mean come on, they know there is no magic man in the sky, how genius is that?
With one dig you can get 9875667 articles why your IQ is probably higher than average. Everyone has a high IQ ffs.
Are you depressed? You have a high IQ. You are itching your butt with your left hand? You are exceptional. You are drinking tea with no sugar? Oh you are super gifted. Are you an asshole? Ooo you are god damn genius.
I hate being an introvert. It sucks. And I am not shy or with low esteem or special or this or that. I'm just a fucking introvert.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 25, 2016, 09:16:32 PM
These 'study' topics starting with "People With Higher IQs do/are..." are the reiki tiki fikiki of the nonreligious. And every one of them has a high IQ of course. I mean come on, they know there is no magic man in the sky, how genius is that?
With one dig you can get 9875667 articles why your IQ is probably higher than average. Everyone has a high IQ ffs.
Are you depressed? You have a high IQ. You are itching your butt with your left hand? You are exceptional. You are drinking tea with no sugar? Oh you are super gifted. Are you an asshole? Ooo you are god damn genius.
I hate being an introvert. It sucks. And I am not shy or with low esteem or special or this or that. I'm just a fucking introvert.
We see eye to eye on this..
The thing is it seems there are studies upon studies to tell us all how smart we are. If you ask 1000 people at random if they think they're smarter than the average person they will almost always say they are. I think most of these studies are for the purpose of stroking egos and not much else.
Do you ever see a study that says that if you do things that everyone does it means you're dumber than a bag of dog shit? Of course not. Nobody wants to find out that they're considered fucking stupid by the rest of society.
We're all fucking geniuses and everyone gets a trophy. Congratulations. You participated.
It strikes me that high and low iq are never defined in the article.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 25, 2016, 09:32:25 PM
If you ask 1000 people at random if they think they're smarter than the average person they will almost always say they are.
"Smart as" is all I've been able to muster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d5eP0wWLQY
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 25, 2016, 08:58:52 AM
Libra's are not noted for quick decisions--too much to weigh on each side.
Used to be really into it years ago, and I haven't thought through my beliefs on astrology yet, but that would explain a lot! My sister is a Libra and it is painful to how long she takes sometimes to make even day to day decisions. I on the other hand go off half cocked most of the time and make decisions too hastily.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 25, 2016, 09:16:32 PM
I hate being an introvert. It sucks. And I am not shy or with low esteem or special or this or that. I'm just a fucking introvert.
I don't necessarily hate being an introvert, but it seems to me that society in general label people who don't always want to be around others as weird at best and at worst potential serial killers. My son was always happier as a young child playing by himself even on playgrounds when other kids were around. I don't think that's good or bad, just different from the majority and I never wanted to force him to change who he is just to conform.
IQ score doesn't make people exceptional, genius or gifted. What people DO, what they CONTRIBUTE does. But today it has become and identity, a desired trait in a manner almost that counters physical attarctiveness. :lol: It is funny when you think, actually from an angle this gross high IQ culture is a reaction to the value soicety automatically gives to physical attractiveness.
Being seen as an highly intelligent, gifted individual is today very different than being physically attractive or rich as the 'winner' conditions go. You can get rich, you can get handsome or beautiful or sexy...and you can improve your intelligence of course, BUT you cannot become 'gifted' or a 'genius'. The basic idea is that you are either born 'gifted' or a 'genius' or you just don't have what it takes.
So this is actually not so much different than our Japense friend's sentiments of entitlement(s) of his 'superior' race in a way in its root. Having a personal trait that cannot be gained by hard work or cannot be bought by others doesn't matter how rich they are, but just can be possessed by birth; by being; having it naturally.
But of course again reality is very different. For someone -even wth a high or a monstorus IQ score- to make a real contribution, there are so many other factors involved...basically from just dumb luck to what kind of an environment they were born into or raised -again pretty much luck- to extreme hard work. That's what makes people a genius. Not having a high IQ.
There is literally a very little amount of people with exceptional potentials of intelligence in the world. And that is not limited with being good at math and natural sciences either. The most famous one, Albert Einstein is a genius because of what he accomplished, not because he had a high IQ. He was also born in to the 'right' place at the 'right' time. Had the 'right' gender. And most importantly had the will and the drive for that hard work; solving what is in front o fhim. Also he highly likely developed that genius on the way when he is splitting his brain with that potential.
Through out human history, tons of people with exceptional potentials died in mud doing something very stupid, a duty they were put by their soveriegn. Or sometimes had the wrong gender, was born in the wrong place.
Quote from: AllRight on March 26, 2016, 07:09:42 AM
I don't necessarily hate being an introvert, but it seems to me that society in general label people who don't always want to be around others as weird at best and at worst potential serial killers. My son was always happier as a young child playing by himself even on playgrounds when other kids were around. I don't think that's good or bad, just different from the majority and I never wanted to force him to change who he is just to conform.
I hate it being an introvert now -as I reached 40- because I want to get away and get out from that general life style -which seems VERY difficult btw- and experience a different aspects of life. I'm changing constantly and that's what me is telling me to do but we alltogether fail at it miserably. I think I need it. I know I need it. Down side is here bombs are going off every where around me...and it is not practically safe. :lol:
Other than that I don't think have a problem with what society labels me. At least I am not conscious of it and doesn't affect my life. I have tons of friends. I am a very out going person at the same time as an introvert. I am also accepted as myself among people around me according to their behaviours. But I don't know what would happen in deep waters of course,lol.
Quote from: AllRight on March 26, 2016, 07:00:21 AM
Used to be really into it years ago, and I haven't thought through my beliefs on astrology yet, but that would explain a lot! My sister is a Libra and it is painful to how long she takes sometimes to make even day to day decisions. I on the other hand go off half cocked most of the time and make decisions too hastily.
Believe me, I can relate to your sister. Much to the dismay of my wife. :)) All I can say is that there are so many sides to every decision; even to things like--do I want those Hot Tamales? Or the creme egg??????? So many sides...............I can even irritate myself, at times.
So, what are you, sign wise??
Quote from: AllRight on March 26, 2016, 09:14:36 AM
Double Taurus
Bull headed---yep. Decisions not too hard to make. Hope you didn't marry a Libra, did you?
nope an Aquarius. I appreciate that he thinks through decisions and he appreciates my ability to make on the spot decisions when needed. I think we complement one another pretty well.
My first husband was a Libra. It was a disaster.
Quote from: AllRight on March 26, 2016, 10:24:32 AM
nope an Aquarius. I appreciate that he thinks through decisions and he appreciates my ability to make on the spot decisions when needed. I think we complement one another pretty well.
My first husband was a Libra. It was a disaster.
Well, that was misdirected. :)))) Hmm.......I guess not misdirected--get your pug (cute dog) mixed up with aitm's--and I shouldn't, but I am.) I am married to an Aquarius right now. We get along just fine. My first wife was an Aries (and so was Hitler :))))) and that was a disaster. But it took me over 20 years to reach that realization and decision to end it. :))
About the whole astrology thing.. Aren't we supposed to have been in the age of Aquarius by now with harmony and understanding, love and all that jazz? Instead we have Donald trump dominating the headlines.. Yeah, love is really steering the stars now by gummy..
Of course what do you expect from some black new age singers? They could have been wrong.....nahhhhh..
https://youtu.be/kjxSCAalsBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE
Groovy!
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 26, 2016, 11:02:39 AM
About the whole astrology thing.. Aren't we supposed to have been in the age of Aquarius by now with harmony and understanding, love and all that jazz? Instead we have Donald trump dominating the headlines.. Yeah, love is really steering the stars now by gummy..
Of course what do you expect from some black new age singers? They could have been wrong.....nahhhhh..
Where's my flying car?
Did you point out that 5D are black because they sound white?
When I was growing up, I considered Aquarians my ace in the hole. The ones I met seemed to enjoy thinking they were part of the resistance, but had no idea what to do in that position other than try not to be a dick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjtEYt6l2Cs
I'm a Virgo. What is going to happen to me? Shall I live?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 26, 2016, 01:20:03 PM
I'm a Virgo. What is going to happen to me? Shall I live?
Ohhhhhh Nooooooooooooo..........................a Virgo??!! Oh, man!!! You are doomed.................just plain fucked....................nothing to do by just give up! A virgin forever!! And oh, so much more........................ask Nancy Reagan, she can tell you...................oh wait, she's dead. Well, she had a bunch of astrologers at her beck and call.
Considering that astrology is exactly like the bible in that you can get astrology to tell you just exactly what you want to hear or say. There is as much validity with astrology as there is with the bible. So, nothing to worry about.
:lol: Mike. Yeah the funny thing is I looked a few pages and they all agree on Virgos being 'calm and collected' that was enough for me to spit the apple-sourcherry juice I am drinking. Now you figure out the vrigin thing. :pp
How do I calculate my other sign if I don't know my exact hour of birth?
OK I found a site. (this shit is unbelievable by the way.) It doesn't even make sense in it is own ffs. This ladies and gentlemen the highlight of my personal traits as a Vrigo. They even made a fancy chart.
QuoteThe Following Is An Excerpt of Your Full Birth Horoscope
You understand to communicate very smoothly and with diplomatic skill. You seek peace and the pleasant in the contact to other people and want to balance and level all roughness and controversy. You are the born mediator listening to both parties without bias and negotiating a fair suggestion of compromise.
Even how you use the language is carried by the need to formulate with tact, politeness and in a balanced manner. You are attracted to aesthetics. You love the graceful, elegant play with words and also express your charm with your gestures.
Your attempt to avoid conflict could, however, lead you to gloss matters and agree to lukewarm compromises. In your need for popularity you want to do justice to all sides and shy away from a clear and decided statement which might intimidate someone.
:rrotflmao:
I'm a Capricorn. According to a website:
Traditional Capricorn Traits
Practical and prudent
Ambitious and disciplined
Patient and careful
Humorous and reserved
On the dark side....
Pessimistic and fatalistic
Miserly and grudging
Regarding intelligence:
"Their intellects are sometimes very subtle. They think profoundly and deeply, thoroughly exploring all possibilities before deciding on a 'safe' alternative. They have good memories and an insatiable yet methodical desire for knowledge. They are rational, logical and clearheaded, have good concentration, delight in debate in which they can show off their cleverness by luring their adversaries into traps and confounding them with logic."
I can identify with much of it but I don't delight in debate, either online or in person. If you read my posts on here you will rarely see me arguing back and forth.
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 26, 2016, 11:01:50 AM
get your pug (cute dog) mixed up with aitm's--
say what? :angryfinger:
You got a problem wit my puppy dog? :angry:
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 26, 2016, 02:29:07 PM
:lol: Mike. Yeah the funny thing is I looked a few pages and they all agree on Virgos being 'calm and collected' that was enough for me to spit the apple-sourcherry juice I am drinking. Now you figure out the vrigin thing. :pp
How do I calculate my other sign if I don't know my exact hour of birth?
Shoe, I gave up casting horoscopes over 35 years ago. At one time I had all the books one needed to cast horoscopes. But I found that, in the end, it was just so much mumbo jumbo. Literally, one could make any reading say just about anything. And the real way to go was vague--you see, vague can be made to fit whatever happens. If a time of birth is not known, the general way to do it is to accept noon as the birth time. And Virgo is the sign of the virgin--so you must be a calm virgin. No matter what it appears to be on the outside, that is what you are on the inside. So, just accept it and get used to it. :)
Quote from: aitm on March 26, 2016, 09:03:51 PM
say what? :angryfinger:
You got a problem wit my puppy dog? :angry:
I can now see that your puppy dog is a bit snaggle toothed--but gives him character. The pug is cuter--and has perfect teeth. But not as much character. Both are nice and would fit right in at this house.
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 26, 2016, 09:32:16 PM
I can now see that your puppy dog is a bit snaggle toothed--but gives him character.
damn right she has char…..say…what do you mean "snaggle toothed"? YOU insulting me boy???
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm127/aitm356/Pic047.jpg)
Quote from: aitm on March 26, 2016, 09:46:09 PM
damn right she has char…..say…what do you mean "snaggle toothed"? YOU insulting me boy???
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm127/aitm356/Pic047.jpg)
As Sgt. Friday would say--Just the facts, madam, just the facts! Character comes in many guises and snaggle tooth is just one. Very character building.
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm127/aitm356/DSC02332.jpg)
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 26, 2016, 09:29:26 PM
Shoe, I gave up casting horoscopes over 35 years ago. At one time I had all the books one needed to cast horoscopes. But I found that, in the end, it was just so much mumbo jumbo. Literally, one could make any reading say just about anything. And the real way to go was vague--you see, vague can be made to fit whatever happens. If a time of birth is not known, the general way to do it is to accept noon as the birth time. And Virgo is the sign of the virgin--so you must be a calm virgin. No matter what it appears to be on the outside, that is what you are on the inside. So, just accept it and get used to it. :)
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Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 27, 2016, 02:26:12 PM
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That'a a good start. Keep up the good work!!! :)))
I find that astrology can be a very fun read. In some papers it is really writing twelve different horoscopes which actually are the same thing using language just ambiguous enough that the reader prior or after yours recognizes it is different and abandons the read. Since most people only read their own, they are completely oblivious to the fact-idea, that they all same the same thing most the time, just written rather brilliantly to sound completely different.
I think I found Chinese Astrology more fun than the Egyptian-Babylonian one for several reason. (Its bullshit seems less ass kissing than the other one.)
It is probably because it turns out that my Chinese horoscope is a Fire Dragon. It is a fantastical, magnificent beast. What's not to like. I always loved dragons. I always liked that Chinese culture does not see the dragon as an evil creature and enemy to slay as it is in the Western one. And for all pretenses and the supernatural bullshit its profile -unfortunately being very negative over all- fits me better than "You understand to communicate very smoothly and with diplomatic skill, dear calm virgin". It has myths; fairy tale based 'philosophy' behind it. It's exotic. Besides it looks more complicated and exclusive than the other bullshit.
I mean look at her. She's also preeeettttttty.
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Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 28, 2016, 07:37:27 AM
I think I found Chinese Astrology more fun than the Egyptian-Babylonian one for several reason. (Its bullshit seems less ass kissing than the other one.)
It is probably because it turns out that my Chinese horoscope is a Fire Dragon. It is a fantastical, magnificent beast. What's not to like. I always loved dragons. I always liked that Chinese culture does not see the dragon as an evil creature and enemy to slay as it is in the Western one. And for all pretenses and the supernatural bullshit its profile -unfortunately being very negative over all- fits me better than "You understand to communicate very smoothly and with diplomatic skill, dear calm virgin". It has myths; fairy tale based 'philosophy' behind it. It's exotic. Besides it looks more complicated and exclusive than the other bullshit.
I mean look at her. She's also preeeettttttty.
(https://cdn1.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/652/829/large/dongjun-lu-dragon-final-without-world.jpg?1450190963)
I've always been a bit jealous of those who are the Chinese dragon. My Chinese animal is the Cock. Ummm..................I guess that can be taken in several ways. At least it's not the pig or the rat. My Native American power animal is the Raven, which is better. Ravens are very interesting birds.
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 28, 2016, 08:55:36 AM
I've always been a bit jealous of those who are the Chinese dragon. My Chinese animal is the Cock. Ummm..................I guess that can be taken in several ways. At least it's not the pig or the rat. My Native American power animal is the Raven, which is better. Ravens are very interesting birds.
The Pig and the rat are pretty good horoscopes according to my readings. Cock sounds good too to me. Rooster is the marketed term. THough we mostly like the former calling...:P
Now, I am jelaous of the Raven. I need to look up my Mesoamerican horoscope.
I'm a bear! How cool is that. And I LOVE salmon, see so it fits! :PP
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Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 28, 2016, 10:11:29 AM
The Pig and the rat are pretty good horoscopes according to my readings. Cock sounds good too to me. Rooster is the marketed term. THough we mostly like the former calling...:P
Now, I am jelaous of the Raven. I need to look up my Mesoamerican horoscope.
I guess "Rooster" is the most PC. But at the two Chinese restaurants we eat at the most, both have placemats that have the animal listed as "Cock". But I do prefer rooster.
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 28, 2016, 11:09:11 AM
I guess "Rooster" is the most PC. But at the two Chinese restaurants we eat at the most, both have placemats that have the animal listed as "Cock". But I do prefer rooster.
Oh apparently my father and my youngest uncle are roosters. :) It's a beautiful animal. It's also a fighter.
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 28, 2016, 11:09:11 AM
I guess "Rooster" is the most PC. But at the two Chinese restaurants we eat at the most, both have placemats that have the animal listed as "Cock". But I do prefer rooster.
Just don't be a capon ;-(
Like Mike, I am a Crow, which is like a Raven.
Quote from: Baruch on March 28, 2016, 01:51:01 PM
Like Mike, I am a Crow, which is like a Raven.
A crow like a Raven? That would be an unkindness to the Ravens--would it not? And the crows may become murderous.
You can say that "people with higher IQs don't require a large social circle" as intelligence as little bearing on your personality. You can be very smart and have lots of friends, or you can be very smart and have very few friends. "Higher IQ's" and "large social circle" are not exclusive.
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 28, 2016, 02:55:49 PM
A crow like a Raven? That would be an unkindness to the Ravens--would it not? And the crows may become murderous.
Caw, caw ... a raven is just on overly large crow ;-) Well ravens might be teetotalers ... they quoth "nevermore" ;-))
Quote from: Baruch on March 28, 2016, 05:25:52 PM
Caw, caw ... a raven is just on overly large crow ;-) Well ravens might be teetotalers ... they quoth "nevermore" ;-))
Well, actually, I was referring to what ravens are called when they are in a group--an unkindness. And a group of crows are a murder.
I was going to look it up, but I was alway under the assumption that Ravens were the european version of crows…is that not right? dammit, now I have to google….crap…..
Quote from: aitm on March 28, 2016, 09:35:35 PM
I was going to look it up, but I was alway under the assumption that Ravens were the european version of crows…is that not right? dammit, now I have to google….crap…..
What is your birth date? Just curious.
Quote from: aitm on March 28, 2016, 09:35:35 PM
I was going to look it up, but I was alway under the assumption that Ravens were the european version of crows…is that not right? dammit, now I have to google….crap…..
Well, dammit, I was waiting for the answer, but you did not say. So, I had to google it. They apparently, originated from Asia and/or possibly Australia. But now they are all over the world.
Quote from: Baruch on March 24, 2016, 06:07:56 PM
There may be some overlap between "not the life of the party" and "oddball".
Oh, I'm an oddball, all right - but I can still be the life of the party with the proper social lubrication.
Lots of people with high intelligence also have insomnia.
I move my right leg slightly up to itch the right side of my ass when sitting. I read an article on that habit suggesting I am smarter and certainly more intelligent than most people. And considering I'm always alone doing that and yawning from sleep deprivation, I am in awe of how special I am.
:kiss:
My social circle consists mostly of people that want me to build something, fix something or lend them money. Apparently I am one of those rare people that knows how to fix stuff, how to build stuff and has money. I'm popular! :2thumbs:
Quote from: DeltaEpsilon on August 29, 2016, 08:06:09 AM
Lots of people with high intelligence also have insomnia.
Thinking too much is bad for you. In proper medication, you temporarily stop all that shit. If there is no thought, then intelligence is transcended, because it becomes irrelevant. At that point, if you have a rose nearby, you can actually smell that rose.
Quote from: Baruch on August 29, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
Thinking too much is bad for you. In proper medication, you temporarily stop all that shit. If there is no thought, then intelligence is transcended, because it becomes irrelevant. At that point, if you have a rose nearby, you can actually smell that rose.
Ya, like a wonderful concoction of benzodiazepenes, barbiturates, alcohol and pain killers, it'll stop you from thinking. Withdrawing from benzodiazepenes and GABA-ergic drugs can be very unpleasant, long term GABA-ergic drug users can develop seizures which lead to brain damage.
Quote from: Baruch on August 29, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
Thinking too much is bad for you. In proper medication, you temporarily stop all that shit. If there is no thought, then intelligence is transcended, because it becomes irrelevant. At that point, if you have a rose nearby, you can actually smell that rose.
The accumulation of knowledge and any relevant thought built on it in our time has been irrelavant to us -the people- for a long time now.
We are constantly given different popular aspects of what has passed roughly a 100 years ago and chewing the same gum in telephone game style. (I don't mean a conspiracy. Just a result of the net of relationships.)
*Goes straight to the rose.
I'd say that smarted people interact on their own terms rather than needing to be in a herd and 'entertained' en masse....
I started life with a higher than average intelligence, but I don't think I'm all that smart anymore.
My cousin likes to tell the story of the first time she saw me as a baby. She was a teenager, and I was in a crib. She came into my room, and my bottle was on the floor, so she picked it up and put it in my crib. I said, "It's probably sour," and she screamed, and ran out of the room. My mom said, "Oh! I forgot to tell you: he talks."
I was always near the top of my class in school. One shining moment I remember, in high-school, was when I showed a drafting teacher how to solve a problem the class was having with a series of arcs not matching up the way they should. It didn't seem to make any sense, because some students had them offset about 1/32 to one side, and others had them offset to the other side. She worked on it for about 20 minutes, and was starting to try trigonometry. I realized what she was doing and showed her the solution, which she then showed to the class: when measuring and drawing the arcs, you have to take into account the thickness of the pencil line, and measure from the appropriate side of the line, otherwise your results will be inconsistent.
I made a good impression on my teachers at Bible-college, as well, where I was regarded as an intellectual, right from the start, when I solved a logic-puzzle for a teacher, that none of his students had been able to solve previously.
Now though, I see so many people who have accomplished so much more, with or without a lot of intelligence, and I wonder if I really am all that smart. I feel that I've gained a lot of knowledge and wisdom, but applying it to the world sometimes eludes me.
As for friends, I used to have a lot of friends as a child. In fact, my yard was a play zone for a lot of the neighborhood kids(I attribute that to my well-loved parents, more than my own charm though). But now I'm much more of an introvert, and rarely socialize with more that two or three people at once.
I don't think talking early has anything to do with superior intelligence though. It's a different thing about the child's environment and interaction.
My mother and father don't have the habit of talking about this kind of stuff and so I have learned it much later from adults and life time friends in the family mentioning specifically that I was 'talking like an adult' as a baby and that is something everyone remembers because apparently I creeped out people and made them uncomfortable. But on the other hand, I walked late compared to my peers. I also talked too fast when young, I am better now.
It's very explainable in my case and has nothing to do with any intelligence or gift. I was a planned but late came child, first child and first girl at my father's side, which wanted a baby girl. I had a granny -mom's- and two young intellectual men with no kids -uncles- two gone over the moon parents talking to me and, playing with me and paying attention to me FULL TIME. That's it.
I don't consider myself as someone with superior intelligence; or over average intelligence, because first of all I'm able to estimate the limits of my intelligence. I'm not special. I don't give any credit to IQ tests either. Considering my education and the private culture I grew up in, it is very normal that I wouldn't suffer low scores -which wouldn't affect me if I did pffft- and all of those tests are designed from western prototypes anyway. Rest is bullshit.
Real intelligence that is worth to talk about has nothing to do with the intelligence we have, guys. It's something in another league. It's something completely different.
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on August 30, 2016, 07:56:40 AM
I started life with a higher than average intelligence, but I don't think I'm all that smart anymore.
My cousin likes to tell the story of the first time she saw me as a baby. She was a teenager, and I was in a crib. She came into my room, and my bottle was on the floor, so she picked it up and put it in my crib. I said, "It's probably sour," and she screamed, and ran out of the room. My mom said, "Oh! I forgot to tell you: he talks."
I was always near the top of my class in school. One shining moment I remember, in high-school, was when I showed a drafting teacher how to solve a problem the class was having with a series of arcs not matching up the way they should. It didn't seem to make any sense, because some students had them offset about 1/32 to one side, and others had them offset to the other side. She worked on it for about 20 minutes, and was starting to try trigonometry. I realized what she was doing and showed her the solution, which she then showed to the class: when measuring and drawing the arcs, you have to take into account the thickness of the pencil line, and measure from the appropriate side of the line, otherwise your results will be inconsistent.
I made a good impression on my teachers at Bible-college, as well, where I was regarded as an intellectual, right from the start, when I solved a logic-puzzle for a teacher, that none of his students had been able to solve previously.
Now though, I see so many people who have accomplished so much more, with or without a lot of intelligence, and I wonder if I really am all that smart. I feel that I've gained a lot of knowledge and wisdom, but applying it to the world sometimes eludes me.
As for friends, I used to have a lot of friends as a child. In fact, my yard was a play zone for a lot of the neighborhood kids(I attribute that to my well-loved parents, more than my own charm though). But now I'm much more of an introvert, and rarely socialize with more that two or three people at once.
It's not too late though.
I am constantly reading, across multiple subjects. I have always done that. That improved my language development, because I liked to read good writers ... mostly non-fiction too. Skill is practice, practice, practice.
I think most people would like to think they are smarter than the average Joe but I find most are just as mentally challenged as every one else.
I wouldn't wish to be normal, I'd wish to be exceptional.
Quote from: doorknob on August 30, 2016, 07:56:20 PM
I think most people would like to think they are smarter than the average Joe but I find most are just as mentally challenged as every one else.
I wouldn't wish to be normal, I'd wish to be exceptional.
Intelligent people, more than anyone, understand how little they know. It's often people that know little that think they know everything.
Quote from: DeltaEpsilon on August 30, 2016, 08:13:42 PM
Intelligent people, more than anyone, understand how little they know. It's often people that know little that think they know everything.
Dunningâ€"Kruger.
that and teenagers.
I have been consistently expanding my social circle for the last 4 months or so, and frankly it's the happiest I have been. There is literally no store in San Marcos or chill out place where I don't run into someone I know and have a short convo each day.
Today I had about...8 or so of those moments, and I was barely outside. It is great to feel like a celebrity almost with how happy people are to randomly see you again.
I must be brilliant…but, I don't give a fuck if you care….so there.
Quote from: Youssuf Ramadan on August 30, 2016, 07:00:23 AM
I'd say that smarted people interact on their own terms rather than needing to be in a herd and 'entertained' en masse....
That's an entertaining thought.
Quote from: DeltaEpsilon on August 30, 2016, 08:13:42 PM
Intelligent people, more than anyone, understand how little they know. It's often people that know little that think they know everything.
That idea was the inspiration for my tagline.
Quote from: Baruch on August 30, 2016, 07:34:21 PM
I am constantly reading, across multiple subjects. I have always done that. That improved my language development, because I liked to read good writers ... mostly non-fiction too. Skill is practice, practice, practice.
That's the thing I admire about you, Baruch. You probably have one of the broadest knowledge bases, of anyone I know. I know some prolific readers, but they're usually fiction readers.
Nothing wrong with fiction, or reading or writing fiction. My daughter enjoyed writing fan-fiction when she was a teen. It exercises the imagination. But if all you do is exercise your gonads. you aren't getting a full workout. Fiction to non-fiction is like sugar to meat. A little sugar goes a long way. I am currently working thru the 6 books that translate the Star Wars movies into Shakespeare. Forsooth, yonder I see the Death Star ... fie upon thee, Darth Vader!
Quote from: Baruch on September 11, 2016, 10:12:36 AM
Nothing wrong with fiction, or reading or writing fiction. My daughter enjoyed writing fan-fiction when she was a teen. It exercises the imagination. But if all you do is exercise your gonads. you aren't getting a full workout. Fiction to non-fiction is like sugar to meat. A little sugar goes a long way. I am currently working thru the 6 books that translate the Star Wars movies into Shakespeare. Forsooth, yonder I see the Death Star ... fie upon thee, Darth Vader!
I saw those in the book store, but I'm not much of a Star Wars guy. I'm more of a Trekkie.
Quote from: DeltaEpsilon on September 12, 2016, 07:31:11 AM
I saw those in the book store, but I'm not much of a Star Wars guy. I'm more of a Trekkie.
Write your own fan fiction then ;-)
Yonder science officer doth remind me of Puck ;-))
I have a shelf-full of Star Trek books. They are generally better than the original series shows, which themselves were underated. Granted they are only 3' of the 60' I have of sci-fi books in general.
I dont agree with this one. id question a person if they said i had a high iq just as i would if they said low. but i dont hang about large quantities of people.
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I don't know about this either, but my social circle is on the order of 1, and I have an IQ somewhere in the range of this guy:
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Quote from: Unbeliever on January 12, 2017, 04:21:06 PM
I don't know about this either, but my social circle is on the order of 1, and I have an IQ somewhere in the range of this guy:
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impresive. that guy was intellegant. sad he had depression.
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Some of us are idiot savants, others are comic savants ;-)