I think even from a secular perspective the subject of porn deserves a mention.
Problem is the well has been poisoned party by prudes (both religious prudes and "secular" prudes such as feminists) who essentially view sex appeal and sexual desire as inherently "shameful" - and social libertarians and nihilists on the other side who think that "freedom" or "individuality" trumps everything else.
But from a balanced position I think the issue deserves discussion - myself overall I dislike porn while not being 100% against it, or at least I dislike overconsumption of porn for the same reason I dislike overconsumption of fast food while not being 100% against eating it in moderation.
Basically I posit that the human condition wasn't meant to be reduced to a consumerist commodity - and trying to reduce "sex" to simply viewing a pair of boobs on a computer screen, rather than a larger dynamic of human interaction is anti-social and psychologically harmful, since to a degree people are and always will be a social animal, and our human condition didn't just get thrown out the window the day the internet and the Ipad was invented.
I am not a porn person myself. Never really got into it. Could never understand what would possess a guy to pull out and shoot all over a gals face, that does nothing for me.
I don't care for wide open gashes of vagina, lordy they ain't pretty to begin with. Haven't been to a strip club in....sheesh 20 years I think,,no thats right the wife and her sister and hubby wanted to go about 5 years ago, I told them it was a bad idea, but off we went...sure enough...30 minutes later the wife whips around at me and screams, "what the hell do you find so exciting about this?"....like I said , bad idea.
The only piece of porn I have found that actually gets me excited is that 7 minute video of Carrie Prejean masturbating, for some reason, I like that. So if someone was to ask me to sign a petition to prevent porn from being banned.......meh.
Quote from: aitm on November 18, 2015, 03:07:32 PM
I don't care for wide open gashes of vagina, lordy they ain't pretty to begin with.
Something we agree on! JP
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on November 18, 2015, 03:09:46 PM
Something we agree on! JP
*ahem* based on what we know of your life, that would be an unfair analysis.
Quote from: stromboli on November 18, 2015, 03:48:32 PM
*ahem* based on what we know of your life, that would be an unfair analysis.
To be fair, the type of pornography I watch doesn't involve vaginas, but it would be fair to say I don't care for them. As per aesthetic analysis? It's an axe wound mixed with a roast beef sandwich.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on November 18, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
To be fair, the type of pornography I watch doesn't involve vaginas, but it would be fair to say I don't care for them. As per aesthetic analysis? It's an axe wound mixed with a roast beef sandwich.
Human genitals in general look like an odd afterthought. I'm attracted to men and very often I still think penises look ridiculous. Not saying my vagina is a work of art either. Really, both varieties look like pieces of a modern art installation that no one really gets but everyone thinks is "neat."
Quote from: Ace101 on November 18, 2015, 02:15:30 PM
Basically I posit that the human condition wasn't meant to be reduced to a consumerist commodity - and trying to reduce "sex" to simply viewing a pair of boobs on a computer screen, rather than a larger dynamic of human interaction is anti-social and psychologically harmful, since to a degree people are and always will be a social animal, and our human condition didn't just get thrown out the window the day the internet and the Ipad was invented.
But hasn't the Internet itself diminished a lot of the dynamic of human interaction?
That aside, porn is a weird issue. I don't generally condemn or judge legal sex workers. Everyone has to make a living and as long as it's consensual it's not my business.
I do feel uncomfortable knowing that a lot of exploitation goes on in the
legal porn industry, particularly of 18-20 year old girls, but let's be honest, there are lots of industries that prey on barely legal teens who may not understand the repercussions of signing away their lives in contracts. Credit card companies, student loan lenders, and even college football teams have all been guilty of doing the same. The documentary on Netflix called
Hot Girls Wanted opened my eyes to a lot. For one, I had no idea people liked watching videos of forced blowjobs, so now I know that there's no such thing as "genre doesn't exist."
Now, the
illegal sex industry is a whole other beast, so I assume this topic was mainly focused on legal pornography.
As you can probably tell from my avatar, my past posts and description of interests, porn is a strong part of what I like. I view sex and the media around it the same way I view movies and tv shows and comics, all as part of something now, and it doesn't matter how much someone wants to try and repress its place in modern day western culture, its here to stay the same as music, movies and gaming is.
However I'm not immoral and am protective of innocence, I believe strongly in protecting children from such things until they are old enough to understand it, the same as I would be exposing a child to a horror movie, I believe when it comes to sex just teaching them the basics of how people interact bit by bit is how it should go, and when all people come of the age when they can decide if they want to be exposed to sexual content or not, thats up to them.
For me, I love porn, gay porn, and sometimes even straight if the guy is hot, I love seeing naked big men doing sexual things, but also seeing things like animations, drawings, CGI mods for games. I have a list of my favorite gay porn stars and I love their performances the same as I love a movie stars performance.
Porn is just part of the platter of things I enjoy, and its not the sum of all things, but it is part of it. And fuck anyone who tells me they don't want porn on the internet or sold online or in adult shops, I don't want crosses and religious symbolism on the walls of buildings in places I go to, since I find the stories in the bible more harmful, dangerous and mentality distorting them anything a porn magazine could show.
porn is degeneracy!!
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Quote from: Ace101 on November 18, 2015, 02:15:30 PM
Basically I posit that the human condition wasn't meant to be reduced to a consumerist commodity - and trying to reduce "sex" to simply viewing a pair of boobs on a computer screen, rather than a larger dynamic of human interaction is anti-social and psychologically harmful, since to a degree people are and always will be a social animal, and our human condition didn't just get thrown out the window the day the internet and the Ipad was invented.
Porn isn't always commercial. There are many people who post naked self pictures, erotic fiction or art with no expectation of financial reimbursement. Is selling porn the issue, similar to prostitution versus having sex for free?
As far as porn and human interaction, is there difference between masturbating alone with porn or without porn? Neither involves human interaction. If human interaction is the goal, is masturbation the real obstacle?
Quote from: Munch on November 18, 2015, 04:21:44 PM
As you can probably tell from my avatar, my past posts and description of interests, porn is a strong part of what I like. I view sex and the media around it the same way I view movies and tv shows and comics, all as part of something now, and it doesn't matter how much someone wants to try and repress its place in modern day western culture, its here to stay the same as music, movies and gaming is.
However I'm not immoral and am protective of innocence, I believe strongly in protecting children from such things until they are old enough to understand it, the same as I would be exposing a child to a horror movie, I believe when it comes to sex just teaching them the basics of how people interact bit by bit is how it should go, and when all people come of the age when they can decide if they want to be exposed to sexual content or not, thats up to them.
For me, I love porn, gay porn, and sometimes even straight if the guy is hot, I love seeing naked big men doing sexual things, but also seeing things like animations, drawings, CGI mods for games. I have a list of my favorite gay porn stars and I love their performances the same as I love a movie stars performance.
Porn is just part of the platter of things I enjoy, and its not the sum of all things, but it is part of it. And fuck anyone who tells me they don't want porn on the internet or sold online or in adult shops, I don't want crosses and religious symbolism on the walls of buildings in places I go to, since I find the stories in the bible more harmful, dangerous and mentality distorting them anything a porn magazine could show.
good you are proper degenerate....
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Quote from: mauricio on November 18, 2015, 04:53:28 PM
good you are proper degenerate....
Yay! :D
Here's a present
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/ZgKLbsK.jpg)[/spoiler]
Quote from: Munch on November 18, 2015, 05:54:19 PM
Yay! :D
Here's a present
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/ZgKLbsK.jpg)[/spoiler]
Now all I can think about is Justin Timberlake and Andy Samberg.
Quote from: mauricio on November 18, 2015, 04:43:26 PM
porn is degeneracy!!
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According to /pol/ so is animu. Degenerate.
Anime started in Japan for adults, not children ... and it involved adult topics like sex and suicide. But pictures don't do anything for me, I have been married, there are no more mysteries ;-) Tokyo Godfathers ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pKpdlbwQJc
What still interests me is pornographic fiction. What can I say, I am a compulsive reader.
Mauricio ... crusaders and sex ... this is why I loved Kingdom of Heaven.
Quote from: Munch on November 18, 2015, 05:54:19 PM
Yay! :D
Here's a present
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/ZgKLbsK.jpg)[/spoiler]
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Secretly a Warsie.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on November 18, 2015, 03:09:46 PM
Something we agree on! JP
Wide-open gashes are kinda scary, and then a hole looks like any other hole. What I find lovely and enticing is the whole structure which is medically referred to as the "vulva" - the folds of the labia and clitoral hood. Especially the clitoral hood, looks so much like new petals unfolding from within a rose-like flower. That Muslim men want to destroy that is to me not only cruel and barbaric, but utterly weird!
Uhm, as long as it's concentual (sp?) porn with no strings attached other than a camera and some money for it, I don't mind porn. I'm very simple when it comes to porn and what I like. Facials, anal and whathaveyou turn me off, and particularly if both parties involved don't like each other, then I'm not aroused by it.
Quote from: Ace101 on November 18, 2015, 02:15:30 PM
Basically I posit that the human condition wasn't meant to be reduced to a consumerist commodity - and trying to reduce "sex" to simply viewing a pair of boobs on a computer screen, rather than a larger dynamic of human interaction is anti-social and psychologically harmful, since to a degree people are and always will be a social animal, and our human condition didn't just get thrown out the window the day the internet and the Ipad was invented.
What do you mean by "wasn't meant to be"? Wasn't meant to be by who?
Humans evolved from apes, and if you doubt that, go to the nearest zoo and observe the apes. You won't be able to watch for 10 minutes and not catch at least one of them masturbating. Like them, humans have their sex drive running constantly, not for brief seasons, and although apes are social, we live in much closer and more complex communities. That we can get off to a mere image when we aren't able to get the real thing is probably a social adaptation which enables us to live in societies the way we do without a whole lot of raping going on. I say that's natural, as opposed to "not meant to be".
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on November 19, 2015, 10:22:08 AM
Wide-open gashes are kinda scary, and then a hole looks like any other hole. What I find lovely and enticing is the whole structure which is medically referred to as the "vulva" - the folds of the labia and clitoral hood. Especially the clitoral hood, looks so much like new petals unfolding from within a rose-like flower. That Muslim men want to destroy that is to me not only cruel and barbaric, but utterly weird!
Muslim men want to destroy what
why do i keep on getting new information about muslims on internet? :017:
pussyphobic :38:
Quote from: CloneKai on November 19, 2015, 10:46:07 AM
Muslim men want to destroy what
why do i keep on getting new information about muslims on internet? :017:
In Africa, Muslims mutilate the vagina to keep women from experiencing sexual pleasure. Of course, so do Christians an animists in the region... and Muslims in the Middle East and expecially further West in South/East Asia don't... but that doesn't fit the narrative as well.
Genital mutilation is a practice endemic to primarily African tribes, not one religion or another.
Quote from: Shiranu on November 19, 2015, 11:05:11 AM
In Africa, Muslims mutilate the vagina to keep women from experiencing sexual pleasure. Of course, so do Christians an animists in the region... and Muslims in the Middle East and expecially further West in South/East Asia don't... but that doesn't fit the narrative as well.
Genital mutilation is a practice endemic to primarily African tribes, not one religion or another.
ah this one
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/2013_Female_Genital_Mutilation_Cutting_Circumcision_FGM_World_Map_UNICEF.SVG/2000px-2013_Female_Genital_Mutilation_Cutting_Circumcision_FGM_World_Map_UNICEF.SVG.png)
from wiki
I say, there's too many goddamn people already. Therefore let's have MORE PORN and LESS PROCREATION.
Genital mutilation is off the scale of sick. It is sad.
SO WHY THE FUCK TURN AN INNOCENT THREAD, ABOUT PORN, INTO A THREAD ABOUT SOMETHING DEPRAVED AND INHUMAN?
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on November 19, 2015, 01:30:16 PM
Genital mutilation is off the scale of sick. It is sad.
SO WHY THE FUCK TURN AN INNOCENT THREAD, ABOUT PORN, INTO A THREAD ABOUT SOMETHING DEPRAVED AND INHUMAN?
Like you said, we need more porn to slow down the procreation, thereby slowing down the rate of gory evil which people turn to when there's too much of that.
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on November 19, 2015, 01:30:16 PM
SO WHY THE FUCK TURN AN INNOCENT THREAD, ABOUT PORN, INTO A THREAD ABOUT SOMETHING DEPRAVED AND INHUMAN?
Because we're atheists. According to believers, we're nothing if not depraved and inhuman. I prefer to imagine it's because we're not afraid to speak candidly about the truth. I also imagine it has something to do with our collective thought process functions better on tangents.
It's not like all porn is that innocent anyway.
Quote from: TomFoolery on November 19, 2015, 01:51:32 PM
Because we're atheists. According to believers, we're nothing if not depraved and inhuman. I prefer to imagine it's because we're not afraid to speak candidly about the truth. I also imagine it has something to do with our collective thought process functions better on tangents.
It's not like all porn is that innocent anyway.
No. not ALL porn is that innocent. But that point is at least a tangent of the subject. The question of whether Islam advocates genital mutilation, is not a tangent, it's simply off topic.
BTW, has anyone seen my foreskin? I'm sure I had it with me when I left the vagina but lost it somewhere along the way.
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on November 19, 2015, 02:20:54 PM
No. not ALL porn is that innocent. But that point is at least a tangent of the subject. The question of whether Islam advocates genital mutilation, is not a tangent, it's simply off topic.
We got into thread on how we feel about specific body parts in porn, and I said I feel one is so beautiful that a man has to be weird if he wants to see it gone. If thats off topic, its no intentional sabotage. Mainstream and legal porn pleads innocent, as do I!
death to the porn haters
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on November 19, 2015, 02:20:54 PM
No. not ALL porn is that innocent. But that point is at least a tangent of the subject. The question of whether Islam advocates genital mutilation, is not a tangent, it's simply off topic.
porn is a direct reflection of humanity itself. Fetish and what turns people on is so varied, the same as peoples interests in movies and games, and yet it can go from very vanilla based sexual content, right the way over to some truly dark and messed up stuff, stuff you'd only find on places like the deep web sold for bitcoin.
Just like people in general, porn has certain rules that when extending beyond what is considered lawful within the spectrum of its genre, if it passes beyond that, it becomes something you wouldn't find in the general places you'd expect, like sex shops or on porn hub.
I consider myself a very moral person when it comes to sex, my fetishes do not extend to things like gore, forced without consent, bodily harm or anyone below a certain age group, like no younger then older teenage years. That said, I will watch videos of bear orgies, men screwing and 'breeding' one another, a lot of leather based stuff with big hairy guy, and loads of other stuff I'm certain people don't want to know about over their breakfast, but just say its all consensual and all are adult men.
Lets also not forget the animated world, I'm both a member of y-gallery and furraffinity, and have gotten artists to drawn some of my characters, like from world of warcraft, doing stuff with my boyfriends characters before.
I knew porn was big business but this list explains just how big.
https://youtu.be/8AAn09M87PY
Quote from: GSOgymrat on November 19, 2015, 05:53:44 PM
I knew porn was big business but this list explains just how big.
https://youtu.be/8AAn09M87PY
Interesting is Fact #2 (4:25) "Women watch far less porn than men" This depends on how porn is defined. Men watch a lot more images, and while I'm not saying men are from Mars while women are of a different planet (I'm sure all you women know where you're from), and I could give two shits what twats like Rebecca Watson thinks of that anyway, women tend to consume more books in general, including most of the steamy romance novels. You know what I mean, the cover art features women in Victorian dresses being passionately kissed by some tall, dark and handsome dude, and the titles are always in large script and delicate colors - no man is going to read that crap, because it offends him the way photos of skin offend some women. So then, why isn't that trashy genre which the ladies read while alone for the night lumped in with the porn category?
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on November 19, 2015, 07:03:57 PM
Interesting is Fact #2 (4:25) "Women watch far less porn than men" This depends on how porn is defined. Men watch a lot more images, and while I'm not saying men are from Mars while women are of a different planet (I'm sure all you women know where you're from), and I could give two shits what twats like Rebecca Watson thinks of that anyway, women tend to consume more books in general, including most of the steamy romance novels. You know what I mean, the cover art features women in Victorian dresses being passionately kissed by some tall, dark and handsome dude, and the titles are always in large script and delicate colors - no man is going to read that crap, because it offends him the way photos of skin offend some women. So then, why isn't that trashy genre which the ladies read while alone for the night lumped in with the porn category?
Because in feminism, women are not only equal, but that some people (you know who) are more equal than others. My mother psychologically, takes after her own grandmother (who lived in the Victorian era) ... and it is clear who runs things in that system ;-) It isn't Prince Albert ... he can't even get out of the can ;-))
Of course romance novels and telenovelas (Spanish) and soap operas (English) are porn ... but like sweat (women perspire) ... women call it by another name ;-) I have tried out some romance novels ... just to explore my inner girl. Of course like in all fiction, the women in romance novels aren't like real women ... but it is interesting to see what women groove on.
The sad thing about the fact that male porn stars making less in straight porn then gay porn stars make, means the gay porn industry is unfortunately consisting of a lot of gay4pay actors who aren't really enjoying themselves. It works out fine if they are gay, bi, pan or gay curious, but you can usually tell if the guy is not into it at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg_AOtXpVNE
"Anyone assumes if you do gay porn you have to be gay" Says it all really.
Quote from: Munch on November 19, 2015, 08:11:20 PM
The sad thing about the fact that male porn stars making less in straight porn then gay porn stars make, means the gay porn industry is unfortunately consisting of a lot of gay4pay actors who aren't really enjoying themselves. It works out fine if they are gay, bi, pan or gay curious, but you can usually tell if the guy is not into it at all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg_AOtXpVNE
"Anyone assumes if you do gay porn you have to be gay" Says it all really.
***Shudders***
This must not have been in any way possible before Viagra!
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on November 19, 2015, 08:42:08 PM
***Shudders***
This must not have been in any way possible before Viagra!
I think so. Sure a lot of 'straight' guys could probably tap into their inner bi, but there are a lot of stories of the same, straight guys seeing how bad they get treated in straight porn and finding out about where the money really is, pop a pill before each scene and boom.
I honestly don't find the thought of this attractive, I like to at least imagine the guy topping is enjoying his partner and isn't just there to wing it.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on November 18, 2015, 04:11:36 PM
To be fair, the type of pornography I watch doesn't involve vaginas, but it would be fair to say I don't care for them. As per aesthetic analysis? It's an axe wound mixed with a roast beef sandwich.
Jeezus, i hope I'm able to block out that mental image the next time I'm down there! The roast beef sandwich part isn't so bad tho. Don't ruin vaginas for the rest of us will you! And most must smell better than an ass! 😨😘
Porn is fine in it's place. Which is 18 and up and private. I don't need to be bombarded by porn especially when it's not appropriate. I'm all for the sexual revolution but that doesn't mean I want it any less of a dignified thing behind closed doors.
I like porn to a degree but I would never date or stay with a guy who "needs" to watch it. It's a great spice on occasion but I feel that it can be addictive to some and it becomes a problem when you can't even get it up with out the porn. To me you lack imagination to rely on porn so much.
But yeah nothing wrong with porn now and again. Probably more necessary when alone than attached,.
apart from amateur section, porn is trade. the producer must make a profit and the customers are the people. but i really don't think the people pay for porn. it's available free on the internet. i am wondering how porn producers earn. i think there is a porn lobby that supprt this kind of things.
Quote from: SoldierofFortune on November 20, 2015, 12:14:40 PM
apart from amateur section, porn is trade. the producer must make a profit and the customers are the people. but i really don't think the people pay for porn. it's available free on the internet. i am wondering how porn producers earn. i think there is a porn lobby that supprt this kind of things.
I have much wondered that myself, having never, ever paid for it, and cannot imagine anyone being gullible enough to shell out when there's so much available free. Maybe somebody here has an answer?
Quote from: peacewithoutgod on November 20, 2015, 02:26:37 PM
I have much wondered that myself, having never, ever paid for it, and cannot imagine anyone being gullible enough to shell out when there's so much available free. Maybe somebody here has an answer?
in my early 20s, I use to travel to other towns, or even to london, to visit porn shops to buy movies, magazines and other fun paraphernalia. It always felt like an accomplishment to find some quality movies from such places, stuff you wouldn't find anywhere else. Now, its just there on porn hub and other similar sites, erotic images appear on tumblr daily, and I can order stuff online I might want to use.
Ironically, back then I had that fear of me buying a gay porn movie or magazine if someone else saw me looking, and waited ages to pick one and take a quick look at it before buying, trying to be discrete. Nowadays I'd want into a sex shop and at 34 have no fear of anymore, but since I can buy it online, it rarely happens anyway.
Quote from: Munch on November 20, 2015, 03:17:48 PM
in my early 20s, I use to travel to other towns, or even to london, to visit porn shops to buy movies, magazines and other fun paraphernalia. It always felt like an accomplishment to find some quality movies from such places, stuff you wouldn't find anywhere else. Now, its just there on porn hub and other similar sites, erotic images appear on tumblr daily, and I can order stuff online I might want to use.
Ironically, back then I had that fear of me buying a gay porn movie or magazine if someone else saw me looking, and waited ages to pick one and take a quick look at it before buying, trying to be discrete. Nowadays I'd want into a sex shop and at 34 have no fear of anymore, but since I can buy it online, it rarely happens anyway.
Yeah, that's why porn profits have exploded, that it can be done privately now. I should have honestly qualified "I never, ever paid for it" with 'since I didn't have to', which seems a lifetime ago now, but boy did I ever feel like a dirty old bastard walking into the porn segment of the local video rental shop, when ratty old theaters still ran porn flicks, and there was nothing available online at all. Under those conditions, it was hard for producers to rake in more than Hollywood, or even close.
Quote from: TomFoolery on November 18, 2015, 04:19:56 PM
Human genitals in general look like an odd afterthought. I'm attracted to men and very often I still think penises look ridiculous. Not saying my vagina is a work of art either. Really, both varieties look like pieces of a modern art installation that no one really gets but everyone thinks is "neat."
Having had both a wife and a boyfriend (serially, not at the same time), I can definitely say that a penis is a lot easier to operate than a vagina.
I was acdompanying a supervisor to a meeting once, and he stopped at a truly nude club. I didn't know until we went in. He was obsessed with nudes. He pushed right up to the front to stare.
I know what women look like nude up close and I like that just fine. But in context...
It was the last time I had any respect for him.
So someone making fake accounts wants to find every porn related page they can and post a link porn sites.
Quote from: Munch on September 11, 2017, 09:36:11 AM
So someone making fake accounts wants to find every porn related page they can and post a link porn sites.
The internet remembers EVERYTHING... Forever.
I love porn as much as the next red blooded bear (not a cave bear but a bear bear 🻠) but I arn't clickin no links
Quote from: Munch on September 11, 2017, 09:44:44 AM
I love porn as much as the next red blooded bear (not a cave bear but a bear bear 🻠) but I arn't clickin no links
Good practice, those links are b-a-a-d!
Porn is in the eye of the beholder. One person's porn is another person's art.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 03:24:13 PM
Porn is in the eye of the beholder. One person's porn is another person's art.
That is very true. The first time my Mom saw my interior rooms painted in deep red and hunter green (with lightly matching ceilings) she gasped and said it looked like a whorehouse!
BTW, I've never been in one. And I wisely forebore asking how she would know... Some questions can actually get you killed, I suspect.
*I* liked it and as close as we were, I never let her opinions change my mind about anything.
But back to porn. I like to see naked women. They interest me. Its why they go around in skimpy outfits, I assume. The fun THEY have is to be seen but not stared at.
I suspect I'm going to get hammered by "someone? but that's OK. As a song goes, "it's a game of give and take"...Imagine what Mom would have said if she saw my Frazetta mirrors in the bedroom! A few ladies more my age saw and loved them.
I don't need nudie pictures anymore, it's all in my head now. Saves on the price of magazines...
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 03:55:22 PM
I don't need nudie pictures anymore, it's all in my head now. Saves on the price of magazines...
You have Drakken and Kim Possible "together" in your head?
Yeah, but it's a tight fit...they said my head's not big enough for the both of them.
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
Yeah, but it's a tight fit...they said my head's not big enough for the both of them.
I'll take Shego and die trying...
Quote from: Munch on September 11, 2017, 09:36:11 AM
So someone making fake accounts wants to find every porn related page they can and post a link porn sites.
They've been banned and their posts removed.
Quote from: _Xenu_ on September 11, 2017, 04:53:34 PM
They've been banned and their posts removed.
Good. 10Q...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 11, 2017, 09:39:23 AM
The internet remembers EVERYTHING... Forever.
That is why I do the raunchiest things ... I want the CIA/FBI reviewing my files, so they have to tear out their damned eyes!
Quote from: Unbeliever on September 11, 2017, 03:55:22 PM
I don't need nudie pictures anymore, it's all in my head now. Saves on the price of magazines...
Poor Playboy ... written like it is produced by a dirty old man ;-)
Quote from: Baruch on September 12, 2017, 07:06:16 AM
That is why I do the raunchiest things ... I want the CIA/FBI reviewing my files, so they have to tear out their damned eyes!
I assume you have no plans to run for office...
Quote from: Cavebear on September 14, 2017, 03:35:23 AM
I assume you have no plans to run for office...
I may be a criminal at heart, but I won't stoop that low ;-)
What I find strange about the proliferation of porn is there are very few feminist organizations that stand opposed to it and some actually defending it as liberating. A typical porn film depicts woman as nothing more than orifices to be used by men however they wish. Woman's worth value is nothing more than the sexual pleasure she can give. So how is it these groups in support of woman rarely protest the degradation of woman in porn? Porn has a real influence on behavior. 30 years ago most woman didn't shave pubic hair, now its very standard and anal sex has become more popular. I hope we don't run out of colostomy bags in the future.
That said I don't call for a ban on porn the principal of free speech is too important.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 16, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
What I find strange about the proliferation of porn ....... 30 years ago most woman didn't shave pubic hair, now its very standard and anal sex has become more popular.
I am not much for porn so I must bow to your expertise in it. Exactly how does shaving ones pubic hair result in more sex? I can tell you for a fact I never had much problem with sex back in the day long before shaving was an embryo. And the gals I was boinking were all very well "good"christians. And secondly...where are all these anal types you speak of? Never met em, and I still am pretty up with the "in" crowd and your idea that suddenly all the women like to get butt fucked is a little askew....maybe you project too much?
Quote from: aitm on September 16, 2017, 10:02:35 PM
I am not much for porn so I must bow to your expertise in it. Exactly how does shaving ones pubic hair result in more sex? I can tell you for a fact I never had much problem with sex back in the day long before shaving was an embryo. And the gals I was boinking were all very well "good"christians. And secondly...where are all these anal types you speak of? Never met em, and I still am pretty up with the "in" crowd and your idea that suddenly all the women like to get butt fucked is a little askew....maybe you project too much?
Hetero sodomy was, and probably remains a birth control method. And until recently, women were acculturated to not expect for them to even enjoy sex.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 16, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
What I find strange about the proliferation of porn is there are very few feminist organizations that stand opposed to it and some actually defending it as liberating. A typical porn film depicts woman as nothing more than orifices to be used by men however they wish. Woman's worth value is nothing more than the sexual pleasure she can give. So how is it these groups in support of woman rarely protest the degradation of woman in porn? Porn has a real influence on behavior. 30 years ago most woman didn't shave pubic hair, now its very standard and anal sex has become more popular. I hope we don't run out of colostomy bags in the future.
That said I don't call for a ban on porn the principal of free speech is too important.
Feminists consider men as money bags at best, and unnecessary at worst.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 16, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
What I find strange about the proliferation of porn is there are very few feminist organizations that stand opposed to it and some actually defending it as liberating. A typical porn film depicts woman as nothing more than orifices to be used by men however they wish. Woman's worth value is nothing more than the sexual pleasure she can give. So how is it these groups in support of woman rarely protest the degradation of woman in porn? Porn has a real influence on behavior. 30 years ago most woman didn't shave pubic hair, now its very standard and anal sex has become more popular. I hope we don't run out of colostomy bags in the future.
That said I don't call for a ban on porn the principal of free speech is too important.
Are you saying you are overly concerned about what women do about grooming their bodies?
Quote from: aitm on September 16, 2017, 10:02:35 PM
I am not much for porn so I must bow to your expertise in it. Exactly how does shaving ones pubic hair result in more sex? I can tell you for a fact I never had much problem with sex back in the day long before shaving was an embryo. And the gals I was boinking were all very well "good"christians. And secondly...where are all these anal types you speak of? Never met em, and I still am pretty up with the "in" crowd and your idea that suddenly all the women like to get butt fucked is a little askew....maybe you project too much?
I was speaking about the influence porn has on society in general. Do you agree or disagree that more woman now shave their public hair? If so what do you attribute it to? I'm not sure woman are more likely to engage in anal sex but I'm very confident more men press the issue.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 17, 2017, 01:25:18 PM
I was speaking about the influence porn has on society in general. Do you agree or disagree that more woman now shave their public hair? If so what do you attribute it to? I'm not sure woman are more likely to engage in anal sex but I'm very confident more men press the issue.
Can you name a society in which porn was not important? I can't.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 17, 2017, 01:27:49 PM
Can you name a society in which porn was not important? I can't.
Not that I can think of...and your point is?
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 17, 2017, 01:25:18 PM
I was speaking about the influence porn has on society in general. Do you agree or disagree that more woman now shave their public hair? If so what do you attribute it to? I'm not sure woman are more likely to engage in anal sex but I'm very confident more men press the issue.
You have some weird concerns ... not being a woman and all. Or are you ... interested in this subject because of the women you have been with? (Rhetorical question).
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 16, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
What I find strange about the proliferation of porn is there are very few feminist organizations that stand opposed to it and some actually defending it as liberating.
I take it you've never encountered sex negative feminists?
https://youtu.be/DFHuqeDE348
QuoteA typical porn film depicts woman as nothing more than orifices to be used by men however they wish.
A typical porn film depicts a woman and a man having sex and enjoying it.
QuoteSo how is it these groups in support of woman rarely protest the degradation of woman in porn?
Sounds like you're looking for a catspaw to pursue your agenda.
QuotePorn has a real influence on behavior. 30 years ago most woman didn't shave pubic hair, now its very standard and anal sex has become more popular.
Woe betide this sinful land. :boohoo:
QuoteThat said I don't call for a ban on porn the principal of free speech is too important.
principle*
And for someone looking to marshal feminists to protest porn (to what ends, one wonders), this line is of dubious sincerity.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 17, 2017, 02:47:19 PM
Not that I can think of...and your point is?
Nothing in particular, I guess.
Is porn's affect on this society, good or bad (or both)?
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 17, 2017, 05:01:17 PM
Nothing in particular, I guess.
Is porn's affect on this society, good or bad (or both)?
Why would I take the opinion of a Catholic priest seriously for example. He isn't even supposed to think of sex, or have any orgasm or have any intimate relationships. Take the Puritans out to the woodshed, and give them a good beating (they will enjoy it).
Or is it the primitive desert warfare maximizing, by maximizing war age males?
Quote from: Baruch on September 17, 2017, 05:10:38 PM
Why would I take the opinion of a Catholic priest seriously for example. He isn't even supposed to think of sex, or have any orgasm or have any intimate relationships. Take the Puritans out to the woodshed, and give them a good beating (they will enjoy it).
Or is it the primitive desert warfare maximizing, by maximizing war age males?
What does your answer have to do with my question??????
Porns always had a place in society, just looking back as ancient japanese drawings or Greek/Roman pottery, it's just a part of culture
Quote from: Baruch on September 17, 2017, 12:16:27 AM
Hetero sodomy was, and probably remains a birth control method. And until recently, women were acculturated to not expect for them to even enjoy sex.
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Normally I do not find bragging to be indicative of anything other than lying, but I have had a few women who wanted to enjoy me, far more than one should talk about socially. Of those, I have never met even one who suggested anal. So I am comfortable with my slanted statistics that if anal is indeed popular for women it is far below 1% who are interested in it, which even by statistical standards rates as an abnormality.
Quote from: aitm on September 17, 2017, 08:46:20 PMif anal is indeed popular for women it is far below 1% who are interested in it, which even by statistical standards rates as an abnormality.
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Quote from: Hydra009 on September 17, 2017, 04:39:02 PM
I take it you've never encountered sex negative feminists?
If you don't think the majority of porn is degrading particularly to woman that says more about you than me.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 17, 2017, 05:01:17 PM
Nothing in particular, I guess.
Is porn's affect on this society, good or bad (or both)?
I think its bad but not just porn, billions upon billions are spent massaging woman's minds into believing their net worth is more about how they look than their character or accomplishments.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 18, 2017, 11:17:56 PM
I think its bad but not just porn, billions upon billions are spent massaging woman's minds into believing their net worth is more about how they look than their character or accomplishments.
What about animated porn? Does non-people mean porn?
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 18, 2017, 11:17:56 PM
I think its bad but not just porn, billions upon billions are spent massaging woman's minds into believing their net worth is more about how they look than their character or accomplishments.
Basically, I think we agree. One of the biggest 'battles' I had raising my daughter was combating the TV ads that promoted that idea--that the ideal woman was skinny beyond belief, and that physical looks was paramount for a woman--her intelligence and character were not addressed. I was constantly talking to TV ads and I did not stop until she left home.
To be picky, I will say this about porn. It really isn't the porn that is the problem; I don't think porn shapes societies thoughts about sex, but that our societies thoughts about sex are reflected in the porn we watch. I think that the 'christian' values makes sex seem bad and something to be hidden; that we need to deny our nature, for our nature is inherently bad. So, sex become the forbidden topic and has to be discovered behind closed doors and in private--it is shameful, when it is only natural.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 19, 2017, 09:54:38 AM
Basically, I think we agree. One of the biggest 'battles' I had raising my daughter was combating the TV ads that promoted that idea--that the ideal woman was skinny beyond belief, and that physical looks was paramount for a woman--her intelligence and character were not addressed. I was constantly talking to TV ads and I did not stop until she left home.
To be picky, I will say this about porn. It really isn't the porn that is the problem; I don't think porn shapes societies thoughts about sex, but that our societies thoughts about sex are reflected in the porn we watch. I think that the 'christian' values makes sex seem bad and something to be hidden; that we need to deny our nature, for our nature is inherently bad. So, sex become the forbidden topic and has to be discovered behind closed doors and in private--it is shameful, when it is only natural.
Religion makes sex "wrong". We would need an experiment to test that. Oh wait, Europe already has. Last I noticed, God wasn't throwing lightening bolts on them.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 18, 2017, 11:10:53 PM
If you don't think the majority of porn is degrading particularly to woman that says more about you than me.
Some is =/= the majority is =/= is inherently
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 02:37:24 AM
What about animated porn? Does non-people mean porn?
I prefer sexy stories, no illustrations or pictures or videos. I have been married ... so I know what a woman looks like.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 18, 2017, 11:10:53 PM
If you don't think the majority of porn is degrading particularly to woman that says more about you than me.
Men are monsters usually ... what do you expect them to do with women, children, livestock ...
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 17, 2017, 05:16:17 PM
What does your answer have to do with my question??????
If you are in a patriarchy, and are war like, you need lots of sex, and abortion of female infants. The porn will match this agenda. See Ancient Greece ... men are so superior to women there, that having sex with your wife is considered degrading. Better to pass your sperm around maximally, and save your best loving for your gay lover. Porn is part of narrative control. So don't push the rope.
Quote from: Baruch on September 19, 2017, 01:39:59 PM
If you are in a patriarchy, and are war like, you need lots of sex, and abortion of female infants. The porn will match this agenda. See Ancient Greece ... men are so superior to women there, that having sex with your wife is considered degrading. Better to pass your sperm around maximally, and save your best loving for your gay lover. Porn is part of narrative control. So don't push the rope.
A loud GASP and nothing more...
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 19, 2017, 09:54:38 AM
Basically, I think we agree. One of the biggest 'battles' I had raising my daughter was combating the TV ads that promoted that idea--that the ideal woman was skinny beyond belief, and that physical looks was paramount for a woman--her intelligence and character were not addressed. I was constantly talking to TV ads and I did not stop until she left home.
To be picky, I will say this about porn. It really isn't the porn that is the problem; I don't think porn shapes societies thoughts about sex, but that our societies thoughts about sex are reflected in the porn we watch. I think that the 'christian' values makes sex seem bad and something to be hidden; that we need to deny our nature, for our nature is inherently bad. So, sex become the forbidden topic and has to be discovered behind closed doors and in private--it is shameful, when it is only natural.
Interesting enough my daughter is a deaf mute and wasn't nearly as influenced as some young woman and teens are by commercial propaganda.
The Christian teaching I'm familiar with is actually quite liberal in the context of the marriage. ST Paul taught the man's body is for the woman and the woman's for the man and the marriage bed is sanctified. Neither party should deprive each other unless my mutual consent. The admonishments we're primarily about sex prior to marriage and of course adultery. I know some Christians unfortunately think the morality taught by the New Testament applies to everyone even if they don't profess to be Christians!
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 19, 2017, 05:27:16 PM
Interesting enough my daughter is a deaf mute and wasn't nearly as influenced as some young woman and teens are by commercial propaganda.
The Christian teaching I'm familiar with is actually quite liberal in the context of the marriage. ST Paul taught the man's body is for the woman and the woman's for the man and the marriage bed is sanctified. Neither party should deprive each other unless my mutual consent. The admonishments we're primarily about sex prior to marriage and of course adultery. I know some Christians unfortunately think the morality taught by the New Testament applies to everyone even if they don't profess to be Christians!
Wait, you are saying the default decision, by God, is to be able to demand sex? Did I miss a definition somewhere?
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 19, 2017, 05:27:16 PMST Paul taught the man's body is for the woman and the woman's for the man and the marriage bed is sanctified. Neither party should deprive each other unless my mutual consent.
QuoteA typical porn film depicts woman as nothing more than orifices to be used by men however they wish.
:rrotflmao:
You can't make this stuff up! Well, you can, but you get the idea.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 19, 2017, 05:27:16 PM
The Christian teaching I'm familiar with is actually quite liberal in the context of the marriage.
I am curious, though I pretty much already know the answer, Jesus tells us that the time of his return is so soon that we should treat our wives as if we are not married. He wanted purity of mind, all sex should be abstained from. Why do you believers ignore Jesus order and prefer to jump back to the OT rule of "go forth and procreate"?
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 19, 2017, 05:27:16 PM
Interesting enough my daughter is a deaf mute and wasn't nearly as influenced as some young woman and teens are by commercial propaganda.
The Christian teaching I'm familiar with is actually quite liberal in the context of the marriage. ST Paul taught the man's body is for the woman and the woman's for the man and the marriage bed is sanctified. Neither party should deprive each other unless my mutual consent. The admonishments we're primarily about sex prior to marriage and of course adultery. I know some Christians unfortunately think the morality taught by the New Testament applies to everyone even if they don't profess to be Christians!
I would think that with a deaf mute daughter your issues would be more daunting than mine. I imagine it is/was a difficult, daunting task raising a daughter such as yours. I suspect it would take a lot of guts and patience.
But my concerns for my daughter and her femalehood went far beyond commercials. I wanted her to defend herself against the prevailing thoughts that females were limited and they needed to stay in their 'place'; that she could do what she wanted if she put her mind to it and just did it.
Quote from: Mike Cl on September 19, 2017, 07:28:19 PM
I would think that with a deaf mute daughter your issues would be more daunting than mine. I imagine it is/was a difficult, daunting task raising a daughter such as yours. I suspect it would take a lot of guts and patience.
She's also undergone two open heart surgeries. She will live with us until we can't take care of her anymore. She can be very difficult at times but I consider it a privilege to be her father...
QuoteBut my concerns for my daughter and her femalehood went far beyond commercials. I wanted her to defend herself against the prevailing thoughts that females were limited and they needed to stay in their 'place'; that she could do what she wanted if she put her mind to it and just did it.
You sound like a great dad. Ideally a father is the first man a daughter will have a relationship with minus the pressure of sex.
Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 19, 2017, 07:55:59 PM
She's also undergone two open heart surgeries. She will live with us until we can't take care of her anymore. She can be very difficult at times but I consider it a privilege to be her father...
Wow! She is quite a challenge I imagine. But with your attitude, I think she could not have found a better father or advocate. I do say, I admire your attitude.
Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 06:01:45 PM
Wait, you are saying the default decision, by God, is to be able to demand sex? Did I miss a definition somewhere?
Husbands and wives can be shits to each other. And sex is natural. You weren't married, right?
Quote from: Hydra009 on September 19, 2017, 06:09:08 PM
:rrotflmao:
You can't make this stuff up! Well, you can, but you get the idea.
Well, the porn industry DOES make that stuff up, but I agree with your point.