I imagine that like me, the atheists on this board have been told more than a few times that we are all going to burn in hell for ever and ever. Sometimes this message is imparted with ill disguised glee. Is this hate speech? I am disgusted by these people. It is an evil enough doctrine without idiots and sadists relishing it. They are cunts and I never use the "C" word ... except in reference to this set of idiots.
Fuck off, I say.
Quote from: 1liesalot on October 12, 2015, 04:09:27 PM
I imagine that like me, the atheists on this board have been told more than a few times that we are all going to burn in hell for ever and ever. Sometimes this message is imparted with ill disguised glee. Is this hate speech? I am disgusted by these people. It is an evil enough doctrine without idiots and sadists relishing it. They are cunts and I never use the "C" word ... except in reference to this set of idiots.
Fuck off, I say.
I'd be more inclined to say they were 'dicks'. And need to have them cut off. "Fuck off"--I've often wondered about that phrase. Why is that a negative? How many days would I have just about died to have done so????? Same for 'that sucks'. Yeah--really? Sounds good to me!
Sorry, OP, for going off on a tangent. But I think they simply deserve a good hard, belly laugh in their face. Nothing like turning a threat into a joke.
I find it interesting rather than upsetting or laughable. If I understand it right the christiard code is to send out missionaries to spread the word.
To do that you have to persuade, positively or negatively with threats. The thing is though to persuade you have to have some understanding of the person you are trying to persuade. And the stark fact is they never in all of my experience try to learn anything about me.
I have never in all the visitors to my front door (which I relish) have I encountered one who did not make the most perfunctory assumptions before proceeding to proselytise so that they can gain merit in their own organisation. In short it is clear they have no interest in me so how could they hope to persuade?
On the net all I ever seem to encounter (with a very few notable exceptions) are voices like WW that MikeCl showed great patience with, that only seem interested in proving their authority and special understanding not to actually persuade.
So they do threaten me with things that they know will have no effect on me. As far as I know it is the opposite of what their book asks them to do, so I just don't understand why they do it? And questions I cannot answer I find interesting.
It is a puzzlement.
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In a word, yes. But not in the legal sense is it hate speech, because the threat isn't plausible.
If I threaten you to throw in your face my stockpile of radioactive super purple monkey shit in your face for all of eternity would you think it hate speech or just plain stupid?
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 12, 2015, 06:56:51 PM
If I threaten you to throw in your face my stockpile of radioactive super purple monkey shit in your face for all of eternity would you think it hate speech or just plain stupid?
I would respond with ... "nya nya nya na nya na ... sticks and stones may break my bones but CrucifyCindy will never flummox me"
No, but I think it is pretty vile the way they threaten young children in this way.
It might sound strange, but I think it should be against the law to do that to kids. It can cause an immense amount of harm.
Why should I feel threatened by someone's fairy tale?
ooooo, If you don't repent, Batman is gonna get ya!
I wouldn't call it hate speech when done to an reasonable adult but when you threaten hellfire on a child then it is likely child abuse
Define hate speech first.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 12, 2015, 06:56:51 PM
If I threaten you to throw in your face my stockpile of radioactive super purple monkey shit in your face for all of eternity would you think it hate speech or just plain stupid?
All of it?? Your entire stockpile?? That would be some scary shit!
All those threats of fire and smoke and brimstone and anguish and agony forever and ever and ever and ever and ever are only because god loves you. Gee, how can" gods love" be considered hate speech? All you have to do is to sing it the next time it comes around on the guitar .. Or you'll burn in hell forever and ever and ever and ever and ever because god loves you .. It's pretty plain stupid, but hateful? Nahhh..It's all about love. If you don't love someone they should kill you ...right?
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 12, 2015, 08:39:03 PM
All of it?? Your entire stockpile?? That would be some scary shit!
My endless supply...forever in your face!
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 12, 2015, 09:02:18 PM
My endless supply...forever in your face!
Somehow that congers up visions of those flying monkeys from the Wizard of Oz. And that ugly witch. Now that is scary!
No, the witch that the house fell on at the beginning. She was the scary real estate witch from Century 21 ;-) Oh ee oh, ee oh!
Quote from: Mike Cl on October 12, 2015, 05:29:25 PM
I'd be more inclined to say they were 'dicks'. And need to have them cut off. "Fuck off"--I've often wondered about that phrase. Why is that a negative? How many days would I have just about died to have done so????? Same for 'that sucks'. Yeah--really? Sounds good to me!
Sorry, OP, for going off on a tangent. But I think they simply deserve a good hard, belly laugh in their face. Nothing like turning a threat into a joke.
That's pretty true.
I don't think of it has hate speech, just bullshit.
It's silly for us, but very seriously real for some people. Some of them are not even aware they don't actually believe in it.
So, it's mostly funny. But if you look at the side from the person who really believes in, it's incredibly hateful.
But then I agree with Mike.
Hate speech ? no
Extortion ? perhaps . . .
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 12, 2015, 06:56:51 PM
If I threaten you to throw in your face my stockpile of radioactive super purple monkey shit in your face for all of eternity would you think it hate speech or just plain stupid?
There's no such thing as radioactive super purple monkey shit. You are making stuff up now.
Though on a slightly more sinister note, maybe my sensitivity to people telling me I should burn in hell has something to do with the fact that I was being told about eternal hell fire from the age of four and it was terrifying. I wouldn't mind, but the priestly cunt that did most of the brimstone stuff when I was a child literally looked like Darth Vader with his helmet off. He had this growth thing in the middle of his forehead, which was in no sense helpful.
Anyway, it's rude. Christians can be very disrespectful.
Quote from: 1liesalot on October 14, 2015, 04:54:14 PM
There's no such thing as radioactive super purple monkey shit. You are making stuff up now.
Though on a slightly more sinister note, maybe my sensitivity to people telling me I should burn in hell has something to do with the fact that I was being told about eternal hell fire from the age of four and it was terrifying.
Anyway, it's rude. Christians can be very disrespectful.
I was somewhere around four when my grandmother started indoctrinating me. Actually, I think I was younger. I associate the indoctrination with my very rudimentary phase of language development, and just at the very beginning of my cognitive development. Before that time, my sentience revolved around eating, pooping, sleeping, and avoidance of pain. My introduction to Hellfire is one of the first cognitive sensations I can remember. And the indoctrination happens fast when you are at an age when reasoning is still beyond your intellectual capacities. I just stoically accepted it as part of an inevitable future. It would be unavoidable.
Yes, it's not only rude to feed this garbage to children, it's child abuse of the worst kind. It is potentially more damaging than physical abuse. "Rude" is an understatement.
In the past I have proposed that actual Bible study be limited to adults ... and uplifting cartoons only, for the kids. Even if one is old enough to understand the words, having children memorize verses, could be as damaging as you describe, though in your case seems remarkably young. I would assume your grandmother was acting out of ignorant fear.
Quote from: Baruch on October 15, 2015, 06:26:29 AM
In the past I have proposed that actual Bible study be limited to adults ... and uplifting cartoons only, for the kids. Even if one is old enough to understand the words, having children memorize verses, could be as damaging as you describe, though in your case seems remarkably young. I would assume your grandmother was acting out of ignorant fear.
Yes fear and ignorance. My grandmother was probably more worried about my soul than actually controlling me, however. Eventually, she backed off. I'm sure I must have related the things she told me to my mother, and my mother probably told her to "back off". My mother was a believer, but my grandmother was a Baptist Hellfire fundamentalist. My father was that grandmother's son, and he would have taken the immediate family, including me, in that direction, but my mother was more level headed. She probably put her foot down when it came time to pick a church for the family, and there was no way she would have heaped that tin foil hat religion on me. In fact, there were, what seemed at the time, some rather inconsequential and short discussions I had with my mother that opened up the idea that it was OK for me to figure out religion on my own. She was partial to the idea that there was a god, but she did point out some of his logical inconsistencies, which I wondered about myself. Perhaps without intentionally trying to point me in that direction, she opened a door to atheism. When my mother died, one of the first things my dad did was return to fundamentalism and hanging out with some wacky speaking in tongues cult types.
Quote from: jonb on October 12, 2015, 06:24:02 PM
I find it interesting rather than upsetting or laughable. If I understand it right the christiard code is to send out missionaries to spread the word.
You realize that your constant use of the word "christiard" could be considered by some as hate speech!?!
SGOS .. I am also fortunate that my mother was "religion lite". Sounds like you had a better than average mother, given the circumstances. And she was probably also already sensitive to your doubts.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on October 15, 2015, 07:07:18 AM
You realize that your constant use of the word "christiard" could be considered by some as hate speech!?!
Yes and that is my problem with codes like 'Political correctness' once we say how a person reads a thing is the important factor rather than the intention of the writer, then you have to face the prospect that I can now sue you because of my traditional cultural sensibilities, you have caused agony within me by your use of exclamation marks and a question mark together, it not only deeply offends me, but also my grandma.
JUST DON'T CAPITALIZE ALL YOUR LETTERS OR I WILL HAVE TO GIVE YOU A GOOD THRASHING!
Quote from: SGOS on October 15, 2015, 05:17:17 AM
Yes, it's not only rude to feed this garbage to children, it's child abuse of the worst kind. It is potentially more damaging than physical abuse. "Rude" is an understatement.
And psychological damage is a lot harder to root out; most physical abuse can be physically recovered from, but it's the scars that you don't see that are damn near forever.
yes it is hate speech
Also, if it isn't hate speech when a religious nutjob tells me that I deserve to suffer eternal torture, then it's not hate speech when I tell them they're an inbred brainless bigot and precisely where they can shove their bible.
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 12, 2015, 06:56:51 PM
If I threaten you to throw in your face my stockpile of radioactive super purple monkey shit in your face for all of eternity would you think it hate speech or just plain stupid?
Now we're into 'cruel and unusual punishment'. :twisted:
Quote from: trdsf on October 17, 2015, 08:22:33 AM
Also, if it isn't hate speech when a religious nutjob tells me that I deserve to suffer eternal torture, then it's not hate speech when I tell them they're an inbred brainless bigot and precisely where they can shove their bible.
BOOM! :72:
Typically, religiotards have that propensity for flinging their own brand of bronze age crap at others, then cry foul when other people take a strong stand against them. Twats.
Hate speech strikes me as an odd term. People hate other people. They call each other names. Now some group has come up with a term "hate speech," like it's OK to hate someone, but a line needs to be drawn when it is vocalized. But if your wife tells you she hates you, that's not hate speech. It's just a report of her current emotional state. If it's just one person being a verbal dick to another, this may not be hate speech, either. Clearly, determining whether hateful speech is actually hate speech, depends on who is saying what to whom. This requires a debate in Congress. We also need to look into "Talking about someone behind their back speech," to determine if this should be allowed or not.
"In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group"
It's more than just calling others names, it's as it says above, encouraging hate towards them. In fact one could use very little derogatory terms and still incite hate.
"Those people over there are all jerks !" , is not hate speech imho
"Those people over there , they shouldn't' have the same rights as we do !" is hate speech imho.
After listening to Rush Limbaugh for years and years, it's hard to imagine at what point ugliness crosses over the line into hate speech. Some politicians build their careers on it.
Hell? It terrifies me.
Is this hate speech?
https://youtu.be/TXxfIktv8RQ