At the risk of offending...
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Maybe it's just because I'm poetry-deaf, but I understood very little of what was in this video.
holy shit i cringed so hard I could not finish it, that is imo some fucking terrible poetry not that I expected much from a buzzfeed video.
Yeah, I couldn't hang with this one. Sorry.
Ok, maybe I've got thicker skin then most, but I watched it.
On the one hand, I agree fully with the message. In todays culture, the idea of male rape occurring, it treated with far less seriousness then any female rape case, men who report rape are more likely to be scuffed at because "that can't happen to a man, only women get raped", be it a man being raped by another man, or a man of any sexuality being raped by a woman, this shit happens, and it gets ignored more often then not when compared to female rape victims.
That said, the way this video presented it was.. urm.. wwwuh? I know buzzfeed does shit like this all the time, being preachy and elaborate, and this just came off as some art-house attempt at trying to talk about an issue men can face in society.
So, it does happen, and it needs to be recognized, but they could tone down the message in this video and just state the facts. Men can be rape victims to, heres the statistics, they are ignored by people or told to man up. Thats all it needed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=CRl9pBnQEP8
Its suggested often that there are countless cases of male rape victims who don't come forward and report, because the idea of it getting out that they were raped is so destroying to some men, they don't want anyone knowing it happened to them.
Very dramatic, I like it. I'm sure the feminist here can relate to it, and any man raped as a child or adult :c029:.
Quote from: Munch on October 04, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
On the one hand, I agree fully with the message. In todays culture, the idea of male rape occurring, it treated with far less seriousness then any female rape case, men who report rape are more likely to be scuffed at because "that can't happen to a man, only women get raped"
*snip for length*
Yes I agree with that. For some reason there seems to be a bias to perceive harm towards women as a greater crime (and/or to focus on it more) than towards males (wonder if it's due to decades of feminist propaganda and policy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model) or something more visceral relating to our sexual diphormism and gender roles. I just found the performance cringeworthy and the poem bad which is separate from the validity of the topic.
Quote from: mauricio on October 04, 2015, 05:05:35 PM
Yes I agree with that. For some reason there seems to be a bias to perceive harm towards women as a greater crime (and/or to focus on it more) than towards males (wonder if it's due to decades of feminist propaganda and policy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model) or something more visceral relating to our sexual diphormism and gender roles. I just found the performance cringeworthy and the poem bad which is separate from the validity of the topic.
Yeah, agreed, not sure who he was aiming the video towards, but it didn't have quite the impact he might have hoped for
Quote from: Munch on October 04, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
Ok, maybe I've got thicker skin then most, but I watched it.
Oh don't get me wrong, I watched the whole thing, I just didn't really understand the whole over-the-top arthouse thing.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on October 04, 2015, 05:55:21 PM
Oh don't get me wrong, I watched the whole thing, I just didn't really understand the whole over-the-top arthouse thing.
Wasn't meaning to sound rude, just meant I'd dive in at the deep end and take the pain of it. Turns out it was more wuh then mind melting
Quote from: mauricio on October 04, 2015, 05:05:35 PM
Yes I agree with that. For some reason there seems to be a bias to perceive harm towards women as a greater crime (and/or to focus on it more) than towards males (wonder if it's due to decades of feminist propaganda and policy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model) or something more visceral relating to our sexual diphormism and gender roles. I just found the performance cringeworthy and the poem bad which is separate from the validity of the topic.
"for some reason"?
Maybe because 1 in 6 women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime, and 1 in 33 men are?
https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims
That's "feminist propaganda"?
Quote from: Mermaid on October 04, 2015, 08:17:24 PM
"for some reason"?
Maybe because 1 in 6 women are sexually assaulted in their lifetime, and 1 in 33 men are?
https://www.rainn.org/get-information/statistics/sexual-assault-victims
That's "feminist propaganda"?
I assume you are responding to the "focus on more" part of my sentence since I assume you understand that a higher incidence of a crime on some population on average does not really make that crime worse just because it is directed at a member of that population.
First you did not quote properly the page you cited, since attempted assault is included in that number. Second that page is very misleading. It did not took me long to find the bullshit. They start with this "1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape)." The follows with this "Women 18-24 who are enrolled in college are 3 times more likely than women in general to suffer from sexual violence." Misleading people to the ridiculous conclusion that women in college are getting raped left and right. At an even higher rate than 1 in 6. So i look at the source:Bureau of Justice Statistics, Office of Justice Programs, Department of Justice. Rape and Sexual Victimization Among College-Aged Females, 1995-2013. 2014
(http://s7.postimg.org/pty7gj96v/table_1.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/pty7gj96v/)
Uh oh what is this thing about per 1000? wonder why did they choose to quote some of the percentages and observations of that paper but missed the critical data from where they got them, bet it has nothing to do with the fact that it completely contradicts the 1 in 6 claims by being almost TWENTY EIGHT TIMES LOWER.
Also this:
"Females ages 18 to 24 had higher rates of rape and
sexual assault than females in other age groups
From 1997 to 2013, females ages 18 to 24 consistently
experienced higher rates of rape and sexual assault than
females in other age brackets"
(http://s1.postimg.org/ilr8h8fvv/table_2.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/ilr8h8fvv/)
mmm so this is the highest the numbers get when comparing age brackets wonder how then you get the 1 in 6 american women... maybe there are some serious methodological fuck ups going on around here? nah can't be, feminists are known to use statistics diligently like on the wage gap... oh, wait.
And this:
"According to the NCVS, for the period 1995â€"2013,
the rate of rape and sexual assault for female students
ages 18 to 24 was 6.1 per 1,000 persons (see table 1).
Using the GVFs, it was determined that the estimated
victimization rate has a standard error of 0.56 (see
appendix table 2). A confidence interval around the
estimate was generated by multiplying the standard
errors by ±1.96 (the t-score of a normal, two-tailed
distribution that excludes 2.5% at either end of the
distribution). Therefore, the 95% confidence interval
around the 6.1 estimate is 6.1 ± (0.56 X 1.96) or (5.0 to
7.2).
In others words, if different samples using the same
procedures were taken from the U.S. female student
population, 95% of the time the rape and sexual assault
rate would fall between 5.0 and 7.2 per 1,000 persons
"Seem like the page you cited is cutting and stitching together pieces of papers to create a Frankenstein of paranoia and hyperbole: feminist propaganda. Otherwise they would not conveniently ignore the massive discrepancy in data between some of their sources and just quote the parts that seem to promote the idea that there's a rape epidemic reducing it all to a 1 in 6 women get raped!!!111 when even the papers they are quoting actually paint a much more complicated picture that needs some serious analysis of methodologies and definitions.
There is something wrong with you. Jesus Christ.
Don't argue against men being rapists, you never win.
According to the media I'm a sexist, patriarch supporting, minority smashing, homophobic nazi because I'm a white male of German descent in the lower middle class.
Yup.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on October 05, 2015, 11:08:12 AM
Don't argue against men being rapists, you never win.
According to the media I'm a sexist, patriarch supporting, minority smashing, homophobic nazi because I'm a white male of German descent in the lower middle class.
Yup.
And according to that media and this forum full of 'egalitarians' I am supporting female supremacy because I am a feminist; I hate all men, want them dead or castrated because I talk about gender issues out loud AND say that we live in a male culture and that is equal to 'castrating' men as you yourself contribute by jumping into a thread and make some disgusting joke about castration with my name when you feel like it.
According to the men's rights activists I am also supporting rape hoaxers just by being a feminist. Yeah.
I could go on about some other subjects if you like. About what I am from 'apologist' to 'anti...insert something western here' according to the mainstream American media and so the forum because I am not American.
Yup
But then if you have time please go visit fbi on male violence on females by race and compare black and white for example.
Stop being childish.
Quote from: Mermaid on October 05, 2015, 08:07:26 AM
There is something wrong with you. Jesus Christ.
The day there is something wrong with
facts and
evidence, I will voluntarily castrate myself so my descendants don't have to put up with it. If you don't like being called out on your bullshit, don't spout bullshit. Simple.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-20/new-research-the-college-rape-problem-is-worse-than-we-thought
This article has the links to the both the National Inst. of Justice research and a new one after that has been accused of being a 'feminist propaganda'. This time they (Brown Univ) used very specific criteria. Penetration. Vaginal, oral or anal. And they have found worse results than the 2007 one that is supposed to be a feminist propaganda. Unless you are not batshit crazy enough to believe that all those hundreds of women are members of some cult to lie about something like this altogether, this should tell something to you. Jump to last paragraph.
You know what, apart from being absürd, I like that most men see these researches done by univs and places like Justice Dept as 'feminist propaganda', because it is amusing at illuminati bullshit level. Nobody even stops and thinks what could be their motivation or that these are not some organisations tied to some benefit or profit inflating results.
But of course, feminists are behind this. It's part of an agenda working against men. :lol: On the other hand, most men think feminism doesn't have a core or even a definition, but they are as powerful and organised -not to mention resourceful and wealthy- enough to manipulate researches by institutions and top universities.
You need to choose one and stick to it, because it really doesn't add up. Are they crazy angry women scattered around screaming their heads off for nothing when everything is fine or an evil organisation working hard in harmony to destroy men.
Myeh...
Rape is bad, but if you wanna see the raper burn, his/her friends, and his/her family too, your a psycho bitch.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 05, 2015, 02:14:38 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-20/new-research-the-college-rape-problem-is-worse-than-we-thought
This article has the links to the both the National Inst. of Justice research and a new one after that has been accused of being a 'feminist propaganda'. This time they (Brown Univ) used very specific criteria. Penetration. Vaginal, oral or anal. And they have found worse results than the 2007 one that is supposed to be a feminist propaganda. Unless you are not batshit crazy enough to believe that all those hundreds of women are members of some cult to lie about something like this altogether, this should tell something to you. Jump to last paragraph.
You know what, apart from being absürd, I like that most men see these researches done by univs and places like Justice Dept as 'feminist propaganda', because it is amusing at illuminati bullshit level. Nobody even stops and thinks what could be their motivation or that these are not some organisations tied to some benefit or profit inflating results.
But of course, feminists are behind this. It's part of an agenda working against men. :lol: On the other hand, most men think feminism doesn't have a core or even a definition, but they are as powerful and organised -not to mention resourceful and wealthy- enough to manipulate researches by institutions and top universities.
You need to choose one and stick to it, because it really doesn't add up. Are they crazy angry women scattered around screaming their heads off for nothing when everything is fine or an evil organisation working hard in harmony to destroy men.
Myeh...
If you paid attention to my post i did not call the studies themselves propaganda. I called the cited web page propaganda due to it's cherry picking and willingness to cite at least 2 papers with huge data discrepancies conveniently avoiding to cite the conflicting parts.Clearly there's a need to address the methodology and definitions being used in this studies.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 05, 2015, 11:55:16 AM
And according to that media and this forum full of 'egalitarians' I am supporting female supremacy because I am a feminist And according to that media and this forum full of 'egalitarians' I am supporting female supremacy because I am a feminist; I hate all men, want them dead or castrated because I talk about gender issues out loud AND say that we live in a male culture and that is equal to 'castrating' men as you yourself contribute by jumping into a thread and make some disgusting joke about castration with my name when you feel like it.
Or maybe it's because you always become super defensive and go on huge rants that seem more fueled by emotion than reason when this topic comes up. Like recently Jason was trying to get you to define feminism basically by holding your hand so you could address the problem of a prescriptive definition vs self-described definition, but you rather throw a tantrum about it and make all sort of assumptions about his intentions with your mind reading skills.
I hold to my definition of what feminism is, and it isn't an ugly word by the right context of actual right minded feminists, those who would want for equal rights, equal standards and actually addressing the issues of women in the third world right now.
But when you have the sarkeesian's and the Quinn's touting half truths, agenda pushing bullshit, and flat out ignoring reality and accusing others of mentally raping them when its brought up, a line is made between reasonable women, and those who are either misandrists or just attention whores like those two.
Quote from: Munch on October 05, 2015, 03:31:11 PM
I hold to my definition of what feminism is, and it isn't an ugly word by the right context of actual right minded feminists, those who would want for equal rights, equal standards and actually addressing the issues of women in the third world right now.
But when you have the sarkeesian's and the Quinn's touting half truths, agenda pushing bullshit, and flat out ignoring reality and accusing others of mentally raping them when its brought up, a line is made between reasonable women, and those who are either misandrists or just attention whores like those two.
Frankly I don't really care much about the semantic issue I just address people as they describe themselves and when I criticize feminists or feminism I hope people are smart enough to realize I'm talking about the specific group that does or spouses the things I'm criticizing. There's is a significant amount of feminists that I disagree with strongly just look at this shit , keep in mind this page has like 300k likes in facebook and i got banned from it for arguing that people with autism actually have human rights and they can't be murdered without consequences in most countries (yes someone was really arguing that autistic people were not considered human and could be killed with no problems and me contesting that claim was : denying the experiences of oppressed minorities.):
https://www.facebook.com/everydayfeminism/posts/872413646127585
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/01/responses-to-sexist-microaggressions/
I did not start this fight , this bullshit got so popular it started popping up in my feed and i do not take kindly to being censored and dismissed as a bigot while I'm making an argument without any sort of moral judgements in it. Also I did not like the fact that feminists started making threads on a gaming forum I posted on and started calling people sexist,misogynist, problematic, virgins, neckbears whatever stupid buzzwords they have. Just because we liked to play stylized female characters.Also the whole atheism+ and elevatorgate and gamergate but you get the idea, there's a significant group of feminist that like to talk shit but when they get hit back even with reasonable and hardly aggressive arguments they censor and whine about harassment. One even called me MRA (I'm not) bigot trying to start shit, just because i posted a link without any fucking commentary just a wikipedia link to the duluth model (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model), because his post said that feminism had never influenced policy in the US and that was on the scientific American facebook page that eventually banned me too even though I did not insult anyone or used an aggressive tone. Meanwhile other people using swear words and attacking entire groups of people did not get banned.
Here is the autism discussion that got me banned from everyday feminism so much for reason and dialogue...
(http://s3.postimg.org/8e9w4qhn3/autism.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/8e9w4qhn3/)
Quote from: mauricio on October 05, 2015, 03:23:43 PM
Or maybe it's because you always become super defensive and go on huge rants that seem more fueled by emotion than reason when this topic comes up. Like recently Jason was trying to get you to define feminism basically by holding your hand so you could address the problem of a prescriptive definition vs self-described definition, but you rather throw a tantrum about it and make all sort of assumptions about his intentions with your mind reading skills.
Ah what fucking bullshit.
Jason made a post telling how feminism is nothing to him and that it doesn't mean anything.
Then he made a bullshit argument based on 'some feminist hate men' by examples of women saying '95 % of men sbould be castrated' and tried to play a game of fallacy called 'who is the true feminist' by asking me what would I say to someone saying that she believes Mein Kampf but also defines herself as a feminist AND I got emotional about the subject eh? And he was holding my hand...I am reading his mind...yeah right.
And I can produce several links just like that almost about every fucking subject comes up in this forum, but I couldn't give a definition of feminism or come up with something, yeah right.
Apparently, you don't know much about how all those research is trying to be discredited by anti-feminists. I wrote a lot about that in my conversation with Jason. He ignored all of that with many other things in his bullshit game. Seems like you did the same. I actually posted all this almost a month ago. In your post to Mermaid you are basically discrediting the research which later proven to be worse by another one. And you are hostile about it as if someone called you a rapist.
We have been fighting/talking about this for 3-4 years now. This is my first conversation with you and look at your tone and attitude.
Get real and show a tiny bit intellectual honesty.
If a believer came here and put the half of the bullshit Jason, Hakurei or the other kiddies have thrown at me, everyone would jump on hım so bad he would get banned at the end of the day.
You are projecting badly as Jason did and the all boys do in this subject. You are all offended by this the most childish way possible. And every time this subject comes up men in the forum attacks female posters the most disgusting way. Calling them feminizasi and worse left and right in an organised way without engaging anything
they say. Like Jason did to me. It's a masturbating monologue. And when they are pissed off they project their bullshit on women and start to whine "you are emotional...yap yap, drunkenshoe gets aggressive we can't discuss anything..blah blah". You are all hypocrites. (Exceptions know themselves)
Nobody gives a fuck about talking about something real here. Not just feminism but many otber subjects. It's all about getting likes trying to beat down me or some other poster by mainstream bullshit.
And not surprisingly, you belong to the same herd. They will like you here, don't worry. Just write something against me I guarantee at least 3 likes a day to you. Doesn't matter what it is.
If we all try to post about who did what because they disagreed with us...
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 05, 2015, 05:01:57 PM
In your post to Mermaid you are basically discrediting the research which later proven to be worse by another one.
No i did not discredit the research actually, I choose to criticize the webpage using it's own cited research showing contradictions between them which suggests the analysis of the research on that webpage was shallow but i did not go into criticizing the research itself. As i already pointed out in the previous post towards you in this thread.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 05, 2015, 05:01:57 PM
Nobody gives a fuck about talking about something real here
Okay then let's talk about something real, what's your take on the problem of a prescriptive definition vs a self-described definition of an ideology with various branches like feminism.
Quote from: mauricio on October 05, 2015, 05:16:40 PM
Okay then let's talk about something real, what's your take on the problem of a prescriptive definition vs a self-described definition of an ideology with various branches like feminism.
mauricio, I am not going to play the same game with different words.
In that thread you read Jason 's posts I wrote a few things about definitions. There is one about an anology between atheism and feminism. May be they give you an idea what I think if you ever get curious.
Honestly, I wrote a tons of things about this subject just a short time ago and I am very irritated about the general reaction, personal stuff written to me. And I do not want to go through the same thing again. Because I know what is going to happen if I start this conversation here. It's not worth it. Neither the energy, nor the time. It's a boys club and there can't be any discussion about this here.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 05, 2015, 11:55:16 AM
And according to that media and this forum full of 'egalitarians' I am supporting female supremacy because I am a feminist; I hate all men, want them dead or castrated because I talk about gender issues out loud AND say that we live in a male culture and that is equal to 'castrating' men as you yourself contribute by jumping into a thread and make some disgusting joke about castration with my name when you feel like it.
According to the men's rights activists I am also supporting rape hoaxers just by being a feminist. Yeah.
I could go on about some other subjects if you like. About what I am from 'apologist' to 'anti...insert something western here' according to the mainstream American media and so the forum because I am not American.
Yup
But then if you have time please go visit fbi on male violence on females by race and compare black and white for example.
Stop being childish.
I never mentioned castration and the only one being childish is you to be honest, because you literally told someone who presented data with an opinion opposite yours that something was wrong with them instead of offering data to counter their point.
"IM RIGHT YOURE WRONG SHUT THE FUCK UP"- Seems to be your MO right now. I don't mind that, but calling everyone childish and implying they have something wrong with them perpetuates the male hate femnazi persona that you yourself have claimed to hate so much.
And I got blocked. Great
I thought this was a thing that actually happened and realized it was just poorly-written performance poetry after watching it.
This is supposed to bring awareness to how men can be rape victims too, I guess? Just taking a wild guess... I guess the thought is in the right place...
Unless, did this actually happen to the guy in the video?
And guys. Can we keep this on topic rather than derailing this in to a feminist bashing thread? If you're going to make a thread to bash feminism, make a new one. And have LOTS of evidence backing you.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 05, 2015, 06:46:29 PM
There is one about an anology between atheism and feminism.
Yes i read that, you posed that analogy towards jason asking him if he would take the same stance with the word atheist. Personally I would, since my stance is consistent with all terms, I don't believe in prescriptive definitions. I believe in multiple meanings due to context and this meanings being defined by common usage. I won't dictate what is the TRUE meaning of feminism or atheism or whatever to anyone.When i consider it necessary I make my definitions clear first then proceed with the dialogue. If i want to debate the semantics I appeal to the common usage by showing sources that show there's a significant amount of people that use that word to mean that in their specific context or they self describe themselves with that term and claim their specific believes they associate with the term. I also believe most rational people should understand that when criticizing an ideology or a group you are directing your criticism towards the specifics you are talking about and not all it's possible instances (generalizing)
Quote from: Mermaid on October 05, 2015, 08:07:26 AM
There is something wrong with you. Jesus Christ.
Care to share with the group? this is a safe spaceâ,,¢! <3
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 05, 2015, 11:55:16 AM
And according to that media and this forum full of 'egalitarians' I am supporting female supremacy because I am a feminist; I hate all men, want them dead or castrated because I talk about gender issues out loud AND say that we live in a male culture and that is equal to 'castrating' men as you yourself contribute by jumping into a thread and make some disgusting joke about castration with my name when you feel like it.
Yeah, that's exactly not what I said, even if it is what you want to believe. I recommend a dose of intellectual honesty next time.
Quote from: Jason_Harvestdancer on October 05, 2015, 09:01:11 PM
Yeah, that's exactly not what I said, even if it is what you want to believe. I recommend a dose of intellectual honesty next time.
Err...that post has nothing to do with what you have or haven't said to me. It's not addressed to you either.
Quote from: mauricio on October 05, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
Yes i read that, you posed that analogy towards jason asking him if he would take the same stance with the word atheist. Personally I would, since my stance is consistent with all terms, I don't believe in prescriptive definitions. I believe in multiple meanings due to context and this meanings being defined by common usage. I won't dictate what is the TRUE meaning of feminism or atheism or whatever to anyone.When i consider it necessary I make my definitions clear first then proceed with the dialogue. If i want to debate the semantics I appeal to the common usage by showing sources that show there's a significant amount of people that use that word to mean that in their specific context or they self describe themselves with that term and spouse their specific believes they associate with the term. I also believe most rational people should understand that when criticizing an ideology or a group you are directing your criticism towards the specifics you are talking about and not all it's possible instances (generalizing)
I don't know which is weirder. That you are actually doing what you say you don't do in the same post or that you are not aware you are talking about every ideology and the relationship every kind of people in the world have with them and that all you are doing is singling out feminism and stigmatise it, because you are offended by it.
Either way, it is the same game I am trying to avoid.
Quote from: mauricio on October 05, 2015, 08:53:31 PM
Care to share with the group? this is a safe spaceâ,,¢! <3
I have no interest at all in discussing this with you, you have your mind made up and are apparently quite angry with women given the way you are talking here. Do you talk to people like this all the time?
ah yes....everything is going swimmingly well...carry on...carry on
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 06, 2015, 05:43:16 AM
I don't know which is weirder. That you are actually doing what you say you don't do in the same post or that you are not aware you are talking about every ideology and the relationship every kind of people in the world have with them and that all you are doing is singling out feminism and stigmatise it, because you are offended by it.
Either way, it is the same game I am trying to avoid.
explain yourself. How I'm being prescriptive about labels, and how I'm singling out feminism when I just told you I treat atheism or any other term the same.
Quote from: Mermaid on October 06, 2015, 07:43:51 AM
I have no interest at all in discussing this with you, you have your mind made up and are apparently quite angry with women given the way you are talking here. Do you talk to people like this all the time?
You are the one that told me there was something wrong with me cause I showed you that the the webpage you cited was misleading and yes I used a mocking tone because it found it ridiculous how that page completely overlooked one source saying the rate of sexual assault of woman was 28 times lower that the first source they quoted. Yet they still quote both sources but avoid showing the data of the 28 times lower one. Frankly I don't know what you are whining about, I was hardly aggressive towards you. Maybe you have conflated your identity with feminism and that kind of rhetoric about "rape culture" to the point that you take any attack towards those ideas as an attack towards your person.
Also just noticed that "angry with woman" LOL nice attempt to inject gender prejudice in there, that's a typical SJW bullshit trick. No i don't give a fuck what you are i will still disagree and criticize you if i think you are wrong.
Quote from: mauricio on October 06, 2015, 03:05:53 PM
Also just noticed that "angry with woman" LOL nice attempt to inject gender prejudice in there, that's a typical SJW bullshit trick. No i don't give a fuck what you are i will still disagree and criticize you if i think you are wrong.
What's an SJW?
I was referring to your mocking of "a safe space".
Quote from: Mermaid on October 06, 2015, 04:33:31 PM
I was referring to your mocking of "a safe space".
and how does mocking that concept implies I'm angry at woman?
Quote from: mauricio on October 06, 2015, 04:53:07 PM
and how does mocking that concept implies I'm angry at woman?
Do you really not understand this? It's very shitty to mock anyone who has a post-traumatic issue. But I am actually a rape survivor, so this topic is too emotionally expensive for me to even get into.
Quote from: Mermaid on October 06, 2015, 05:07:14 PM
Do you really not understand this? It's very shitty to mock anyone who has a post-traumatic issue. But I am actually a rape survivor, so this topic is too emotionally expensive for me to even get into.
Yeah and that somehow necessarily follows from mocking the concept of a safe space? right... Maybe you want to actually explain what is your train of thought to get to that conclusion because clearly we are not on the same page.
This idea of a safe space is being used to try to censor dissenting opinions
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8ewU33EdNnM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCBfypJp0m8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi5da2AhDCY
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/
Quotethe ultimate aim, it seems, is to turn campuses into “safe spaces†where young adults are shielded from words and ideas that make some uncomfortable. And more than the last, this movement seeks to punish anyone who interferes with that aim, even accidentally. You might call this impulse vindictive protectiveness. It is creating a culture in which everyone must think twice before speaking up, lest they face charges of insensitivity, aggression, or worse.
Quote from: mauricio on October 06, 2015, 05:15:47 PM
This idea of a safe space is being used to try to censor dissenting opinions
https://www.youtube.com/embed/8ewU33EdNnM
Be careful when citing Factual Feminist. The American Enterprises Institute is a conservative-funded organization, and doesn't tend to present things in a fair and balanced way (unless you use the Fox News definition). The fact that FF spends 99.99% of her time explaining what feminism is not, rather than what it
is, is something I find troubling.
Tell me, if a white, male MRA came up to you and said, in a bashful and uppity voice: "Two plus two equals four!" Would that make it less right, because he was an MRA?
Basically what Sal said, I have learned to drop the tribalism and i will take fox news if they are saying some right over any liberal media on the same topic saying something wrong.
Case in point GMO's factual reporting I saw on fox news (they actually accepted the scientific consensus on that one and showed relevant papers) and AEI (i think it was from them?) analysis of the wage gap. Also I saw a speech about conservative economy from the AEI that was pretty good and actually raised good arguments unlike the republican usual talking heads. Also the peter hitchens debate about free speech at the Oxford Union.
ah yes I had forgotten about this one, she encapsulates the concept of SJW (meaning social justice warrior, used ironically of course) quite well. Using the safe space rhetoric and mental gymnastics laden with SJW buzzwords to justify her bigotry.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/576734/Bahar-Mustafa-equality-event-white-men-not-racist
So i guess now you know what I'm talking about mermaid?
I laughed to that video.
Only troubling thing about that video is that it is another example of how American culture turns everything into a hyped up show with law suit battles; the fantasy bullshit understanding of freedom of any kind; people chalking up every reaction that culture naturally produces as a result of common issues to some sort of 'liberalism' that only belongs to the greatest Banana Republic of all times AND turn back and try to 'critcise' major universal concepts, ideologies as if they were invented right then and there, as if they ever existed or can exist independently from them, in a manner as if they are determined by a tiny group in 311 million people. Flee circus.
Sigh. This makes me upset more than most Americans.
Quote from: mauricio on October 06, 2015, 02:55:26 PM
explain yourself. How I'm being prescriptive about labels, and how I'm singling out feminism when I just told you I treat atheism or any other term the same.
I am not going to get into some conversation with someone who is frustrated and angry at women because he is kicked out from a couple of websites; who classifies me as a Nazi because of my position concerning the rights of my gender; insulting my intelligence, my opinions on the subject starting from his first post; projecting every fucking bullshit he himself feels back to me and the members of the gender group he is targeting.
I will explain myself whenever and wherever I like it, you will go and read it and respond with what you have to say OR you will click the ignore button in your profile.
But after this entrance and the childish hostile attitude you showed BEFORE even provoked, don't expect any respect for your bullshit from me.
Frankly, I am exhausted of dealing with young males and their egos that gets triggered by social media feeds of acts and vlogs and blogs of women they watch between their gaming sessions then start to pour their frustration as soon as a woman gets loud about a female issue, thinking they covered a main human rights issues because as far as they see with their social media intellect while everything is fine they are under some sort of attack.
Quote from: Sal1981 on October 06, 2015, 07:39:49 PM
Tell me, if a white, male MRA came up to you and said, in a bashful and uppity voice: "Two plus two equals four!" Would that make it less right, because he was an MRA?
Yeah because a person making an argument from "fragile madiens vs evil perpetrators" via law suits between a few students and professors can be defined as facts and expressed as 2 plus 2 is 4. What is the American Society coming to...
It has nothing to with the bullshit sides of American culture which bears the same characteristics of individual reactions in every societal issue.
Show business.
Quote from: Sal1981 on October 06, 2015, 07:39:49 PM
Tell me, if a white, male MRA came up to you and said, in a bashful and uppity voice: "Two plus two equals four!" Would that make it less right, because he was an MRA?
I don't think your typical MRA has the mental capacity to say "Two plus two equals four". It would probably confuse him. They aren't known to be the sharpest tools in the shed.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 07, 2015, 03:16:31 AM
I am not going to get into some conversation with someone who is frustrated and angry at women because he is kicked out from a couple of websites
I'm not angry at women I just disagree with big chunks of feminist ideology and rhetoric and I don't like having irrelevant words thrown at my person when I'm trying to discuss ideas or censored because some petty oversensitive person cannot withstand criticism of their ideas.
Quotewho classifies me as a Nazi because of my position concerning the rights of my gender
never happened.
Quoteinsulting my intelligence, my opinions on the subject starting from his first post; projecting every fucking bullshit he himself feels back to me and the members of the gender group he is targeting.
I do not target a gender. I target stupid people with shit ideas. Too bad you fall into both of those categories.
QuoteI will explain myself whenever and wherever I like it, you will go and read it and respond with what you have to say OR you will click the ignore button in your profile.
Which is basically never, because you yet to back up your claims or address my responses rather than go on deranged rants of self-victimization and whining about the posters and this forum and how much you are not gonna engage in the discourse but rather will keep whining, maybe how about you go do something you actually enjoy?
QuoteBut after this entrance and the childish hostile attitude you showed BEFORE even provoked, don't expect any respect for your bullshit from me.
I have been on this forum on and off for like 5 years. Believe I never expected anything from you.
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Frankly, I am exhausted of dealing with young males and their egos that gets triggered by social media feeds of acts and vlogs and blogs of women they watch between their gaming sessions then start to pour their frustration as soon as a woman gets loud about a female issue, thinking they covered a main human rights issues because as far as they see with their social media intellect while everything is fine they are under some sort of attack.
Oh yes, let the manhate flow throw you... tell me more about this odious young males and their anger towards the poor womyn.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 07, 2015, 03:30:22 AM
Yeah because a person making an argument from "fragile madiens vs evil perpetrators" via law suits between a few students and professors can be defined as facts and expressed as 2 plus 2 is 4. What is the American Society coming to...
It has nothing to with the bullshit sides of American culture which bears the same characteristics of individual reactions in every societal issue.
Show business.
Are you really that dense that you cannot understand a simple idea like no matter the messenger, the value is in the message?
Quote from: CrucifyCindy on October 07, 2015, 03:34:34 AM
I don't think your typical MRA has the mental capacity to say "Two plus two equals four". It would probably confuse him. They aren't known to be the sharpest tools in the shed.
hur dur my ideological opponets so stoopid , I smart!!
That's literally how you sound, you are a slave to the tribalism of your ideology.
Here is a gathering of typical MRA's
https://youtu.be/WfimcqjWHIQ
Not exactly sterling examples of masculinity,intelligence or grooming are they?
Quote from: Mermaid on October 06, 2015, 05:07:14 PM
Do you really not understand this? It's very shitty to mock anyone who has a post-traumatic issue. But I am actually a rape survivor, so this topic is too emotionally expensive for me to even get into.
So am I, and I refuse to let it define who I am, or become consumed with hate when someone disagrees with me.
Quote from: Mermaid on October 06, 2015, 05:07:14 PM
Do you really not understand this? It's very shitty to mock anyone who has a post-traumatic issue. But I am actually a rape survivor, so this topic is too emotionally expensive for me to even get into.
(http://i.imgur.com/j1kOG3Q.jpg)
Quote from: Jason_Harvestdancer on October 07, 2015, 09:45:10 PM
So am I, and I refuse to let it define who I am, or become consumed with hate when someone disagrees with me.
Are you implying that I have done either of these things? I can dissent without becoming "consumed with hate" and I can comment that a certain topic makes me feel uncomfortable and not have it "define who I am".
Quote from: mauricio on October 07, 2015, 03:41:12 AM
I'm not angry at women I just disagree with big chunks of feminist ideology and rhetoric and I don't like having irrelevant words thrown at my person when I'm trying to discuss ideas or censored because some petty oversensitive person cannot withstand criticism of their ideas.
never happened.
I do not target a gender. I target stupid people with shit ideas. Too bad you fall into both of those categories.
Which is basically never, because you yet to back up your claims or address my responses rather than go on deranged rants of self-victimization and whining about the posters and this forum and how much you are not gonna engage in the discourse but rather will keep whining, maybe how about you go do something you actually enjoy?
I have been on this forum on and off for like 5 years. Believe I never expected anything from you.
Oh yes, let the manhate flow throw you... tell me more about this odious young males and their anger towards the poor womyn.
When Shiranu told you that you are a feminist if you are for gender equality and you said you are not a Nazi. I am a feminist. So yeah it happened.
If you never expected anything from me in the last 5 years, you are suddenly here doing that because you kicked out from a couple of web sites and you are frustrated about it. This is why you are here. To throw out some steam. Be honest. First to yourself.
Your opinions are just that. They are shitty and stupid to great many amount of people and you are calling them Nazis and telling me how much I hate men. Pffft. Stop projecting.
Feel free to go back and stay in your first position. You neither know nor willing to get one fucking opinion of mine on this subject. I have written a lot of posts to the subject itself without any need of targeting a poster or a gender, while you are here to do just that.
Lol@self-victimisation. Pffft.
I don't feel like a victim at all kiddo. Because I am not. It's Sal, you and a group of young males here that writing frustrated posts about being 'white het males'....everybody is out to get you. Aw.
Women are not poor. They have come a long way, they know the drill, they know the fight. You don't worry.
I told you that I don't respect you and I also explained why. So stop acting as if something unexpected is happening.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on October 08, 2015, 11:57:04 AM
When Shiranu told you that you are a feminist if you are for gender equality and you said you are not a Nazi. I am a feminist. So yeah it happened.
Quoteyou are calling them Nazis
ehhh uhh what? Do you even.... wat
frankly I cannot believe my post was so confusing for you that you cannot understand I was simply using analogies to explain my ideas on semantics. Whether it was Nazism or Marxism or Libertarianism it would have made no difference since I was not talking about the content of the ideologies but rather how do we define them and their adherents. But well this is coming from the same person that thinks I was contesting and calling propaganda the statistics about female rape when I clearly was talking about the webpage that cited them and criticizing it's inconsistency and misleading quoting. Seems like subtleties are completely lost on you.
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If you never expected anything from me in the last 5 years, you are suddenly here doing that
Doing what? I do not expect any good discourse from you on this topic, that was kind of the point of the sentence you are responding too...
QuoteI have written a lot of posts to the subject itself without any need of targeting a poster or a gender, while you are here to do just that.
LMAO are you that delusional... you have berated posters and this forum for being a bunch of Americans that cannot think outside of their paradigm , for being males keeping this forum as boys club and all your whiny shit you always rant about when the discussion does not go around your ideology that you consider to be the actually important thing and everything else is just irrelevant to you.
QuoteI told you that I don't respect you and I also explained why.
Yes I'm one of those
"young males and their egos that gets triggered by social media feeds of acts and vlogs and blogs of women they watch between their gaming sessions then start to pour their frustration as soon as a woman gets loud about a female issue, thinking they covered a main human rights issues because as far as they see with their social media intellect while everything is fine they are under some sort of attack."But yeah you definitely don't have the
"need of targeting a poster or a gender, while you are here to do just that''I guess you just feel good about it, bringing up irrelevant factors like sex or gaming on your passive aggressive rants. Meanwhile I have never addressed your gender or hobbies or any other irrelevant factor of anyone here.
QuoteSo stop acting as if something unexpected is happening
But you responded exactly as i was expecting: like clockwork.