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Title: Windows 10
Post by: PopeyesPappy on July 30, 2015, 12:11:28 AM
Just upgraded my Windows 7 laptop top to 10. So far so good. Anyone else tried it yet? Problems?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PickelledEggs on July 30, 2015, 01:02:08 AM
I was going to wait for my friend to help me install my second harddrive before installing it. That way I can have an operating system on either hard drive, one win 10 and one some sort of linux...

I've heard amazing things though about 10
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Hydra009 on July 30, 2015, 02:56:52 AM
I've heard good things as well.  In addition to the more comfortable user interface (no metro/charms and the reinstatement of the revered Start button), it includes DirectX 12 (performance improvements reportedly similar to Mantle).  While my hardware is quite dated, the video card supports DirectX 12, so that's nice, though I doubt it'll make much difference on my venerable game collection.  And we get to have an upside-down burial for Internet Explorer.  That's certainly a plus in my book.

I'm not too thrilled about Cortana or Xbox support, however.  As far as I'm concerned, Microsoft can keep that.

I've been a little wary about this "free upgrade" since I assumed there'd be a catch of some kind.  Beware a generous stranger and all that.  But it seems like Microsoft is whipping up quite a buzz and getting everyone on the same OS rather than scattered on a bunch of different ones would be a lot easier to support. 

I tend to be a late adopter, so I'll watch how this plays out before committing.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on July 30, 2015, 03:05:18 AM
Well, some folks are calling it Windows 1984 (https://i.imgur.com/BsLARf3.jpg), so I'll just stick with Windows 7 for the time being.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: SGOS on July 30, 2015, 07:53:22 AM
Windows 8 is different, but that's not what makes it bad.  It almost looks like it was designed for the worst features of cell phones, like butt dialing.  There's constantly something popping up that I have absolutely no use for, not trying to activate, and wouldn't have put there in the first place.  I'm terrified when my mouse gets close to a corner of my screen, where an unwanted Microsoft intrusion is lurking, and it's not just an annoying popup that gets in the way.  Suddenly, I'm in an entirely new screen asking me stuff like what do I want to find?  Hell, I wasn't trying to find anything, you idiot.  I was trying to read the news.  An then if I do try to find something like a misplaced file, it takes me to some site on the internet (usually one that is trying to sell me something that I don't even know what it's for).

Given the direction that Microsoft seems to want its interface to go, I don't have confidence that Windows 10 will be that good.  But we live in Microsoft's world and that's just the way things are going to be.  We are at the mercy of our Microsoft overlords.  They know what's best for us, even if we don't.  Just be thankful they haven't sent their armed jack boots to your door to take you away.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PopeyesPappy on July 30, 2015, 09:04:18 AM
Well so far so good for me. I haven't had any problems with any of my apps or finding anything I was looking for, and the install actually fixed an issue I was having with the laptop taking longer than it should to come out of sleep mode. The laptop is more than 3 years old, but I put an ssd in it a while back. It takes about 20 seconds to boot from a cold start.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Solitary on July 30, 2015, 10:30:02 AM
As long as it isn't disaster like Windows 8 it should be fine. I'll wait until 10 is shown to be better than Windows 7 pro.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mike Cl on July 30, 2015, 12:56:23 PM
I got burned by Win. 8--sucked big time.  So, me and my 7 are quite happy right now.  Will wait until I have to change.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Hydra009 on July 30, 2015, 01:15:05 PM
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I got burned by Win. 8--sucked big time.  So, me and my 7 are quite happy right now.  Will wait until I have to change.
Yeah.  I remember that vividly.  A lot of people were thrilled by the mere $40 upgrade, an enthusiasm that was short-lived.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PickelledEggs on July 30, 2015, 08:27:45 PM
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Yeah.  I remember that vividly.  A lot of people were thrilled by the mere $40 upgrade, an enthusiasm that was short-lived.
I didn't pay $40... Lol ;)

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Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 30, 2015, 08:48:32 PM
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Well, some folks are calling it Windows 1984 (https://i.imgur.com/BsLARf3.jpg), so I'll just stick with Windows 7 for the time being.
Have you verified that's a real problem?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PickelledEggs on July 30, 2015, 09:01:03 PM
And Hijiri, 1984? really? lol


That's like when Fox News blew the facebook messenger app permissions out of the water. "this app needs to know your contacts??? it's spying on you!!!"

It's most likely just for services on your machine... . Doesn't necessarily mean it's spying on you.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: trdsf on July 30, 2015, 09:24:18 PM
Still on XP, and getting a 7 box.  7 was the first version of Windows since NT 3.51 I was willing to admit was okay (which from me is phenomenally high praise for a MS product).  Not moving to 10 any time soon; pretty much ready to say fuck them, and move to Linux once and for all.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Hydra009 on July 31, 2015, 01:09:47 AM
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Not moving to 10 any time soon; pretty much ready to say fuck them, and move to Linux once and for all.
But...but...gaming.  :'(
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on July 31, 2015, 01:24:45 AM
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Have you verified that's a real problem?
It was intended as a joke. It's unlikely I'll be changing operating systems at all until I buy myself a new rig. My main computer runs 7, the one I'm typing this on runs motherfucking Vista, and I even have an XP machine hiding in the back.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on July 31, 2015, 08:07:49 AM
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It was intended as a joke. It's unlikely I'll be changing operating systems at all until I buy myself a new rig. My main computer runs 7, the one I'm typing this on runs motherfucking Vista, and I even have an XP machine hiding in the back.
Okay then. I have a lot of whacko cousins who would post that serious-like.

The major news I've seen regarding WIN10 is that if you have WIN7 you don't need it.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: SGOS on July 31, 2015, 04:48:07 PM
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The major news I've seen regarding WIN10 is that if you have WIN7 you don't need it.

So it's like a retrograde of Windows 8, but you have to pay for the downgrade?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mike Cl on July 31, 2015, 05:48:13 PM
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So it's like a retrograde of Windows 8, but you have to pay for the downgrade?
For me, Win 8 was a retrograde of Vista.  Wind 7 is much, much better.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Brian37 on July 31, 2015, 07:13:26 PM
Windows might as well be called " Swiss cheese"
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: trdsf on July 31, 2015, 07:40:08 PM
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But...but...gaming.  :'(
I am an extremely infrequent gamer, and I can run those on either XP or 7, and there are reports of success of getting some of them to run on Linux -- if not natively, then under Wine.  So games aren't really a driving factor for me.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: _Xenu_ on August 01, 2015, 09:07:04 AM
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But...but...gaming.  :'(
Yeah, that's my situation. I would ditch Windows 7 for Linux in a heartbeat if my steam library could come with me.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mike Cl on August 01, 2015, 12:52:57 PM
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Yeah, that's my situation. I would ditch Windows 7 for Linux in a heartbeat if my steam library could come with me.
Wouldn't that be sweet!!!!
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: trdsf on August 01, 2015, 04:40:47 PM
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Yeah, that's my situation. I would ditch Windows 7 for Linux in a heartbeat if my steam library could come with me.
There are some Steam games that play on Linux.  Unfortunately, not enough of them.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: wolf39us on August 01, 2015, 10:35:48 PM
I've had it for about the last year on the tech preview -- I love 10
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mike Cl on August 01, 2015, 11:08:19 PM
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I've had it for about the last year on the tech preview -- I love 10
Do you game with it???
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: wolf39us on August 01, 2015, 11:09:06 PM
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Do you game with it???

Indeed I do, everything in my steam library works.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: PickelledEggs on August 02, 2015, 12:40:32 AM
I only really play Dota 2 and starcraft 2 nowadays on my PC... but even if both of those worked on Linux, I still would have the problem of photo printing on linux. I can never get a good print out in a linux operating system. For some reasons the drivers never work enough.

For now I use both.... and I just got Win 10 and love it so far, btw.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Hydra009 on August 02, 2015, 05:19:37 AM
I've steadily moved away from windows products.

Windows media center is hot garbage compared to virtually anything, Microsoft Office is pretty awful and easily supplanted by its free competitors, and for reasons I'll never comprehend, Windows photo viewer can't GIFs (you had one job!)

I use libre office a lot, but interoperability can be a chore.  I have to submit online assignments, and sometimes the formatting will get all futzed up when a libre file is opened by its corresponding MS program.  ><
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mike Cl on August 02, 2015, 09:19:53 AM
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Indeed I do, everything in my steam library works.
That is very good news--thnx for the reply.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: trdsf on August 02, 2015, 09:02:01 PM
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I've steadily moved away from windows products.

Windows media center is hot garbage compared to virtually anything, Microsoft Office is pretty awful and easily supplanted by its free competitors, and for reasons I'll never comprehend, Windows photo viewer can't GIFs (you had one job!)

I use libre office a lot, but interoperability can be a chore.  I have to submit online assignments, and sometimes the formatting will get all futzed up when a libre file is opened by its corresponding MS program.  ><
Yeah, I'm a big fan of LibreOffice.  And I use The GIMP for all my image processing needs, and Media Player Classic for my A/V needs.  Generally, any software that Microsoft puts out to run under Windows, there's something else that does the job better and cleaner.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on August 02, 2015, 09:28:21 PM
Nerdvana.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: GSOgymrat on August 04, 2015, 09:30:26 AM
I'm enjoying Windows 10. There are still minor things that need to be ironed out but it is a more polished, cohesive experience than 8.1.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: trdsf on August 06, 2015, 12:43:31 PM
Okay, it's official, Windows 10 is now undisputably evil.

I mean, seriously, charging an annual subscription fee to play Solitaire without a forced 30-second video ad between every game (http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/05/windows-10-charging/).  To say nothing of secretly downloading 10 onto the machines of 7 and 8 users (http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/28/windows-10-automatic-download/) and forced updates that cannot be declined at all (http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/07/17/windows-10-forced-automatic-updates/).

The first part should be the most worrisome: MS didn't give away Win10 to be 'nice'.  The plan, as far as I can see, is to nickel and dime every Windows user to death.  Windows Media Player?  Gone.  There's a DVD player that will only play commercial DVDs, not DVD+/-Rs, and they plan to eventually charge for that, too.

Sounds like being told that you're going to be given a new car, only to find out that you've been given a new chassis, and if you want any extras -- like doors, seats, safety glass, a paint job -- oh, *that* is going to cost extra.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Sal1981 on August 06, 2015, 12:56:35 PM
I don't see these fees anywhere.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: trdsf on August 06, 2015, 08:27:26 PM
Did you follow the link I provided?  It's right there in the fourth paragraph.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Hydra009 on August 07, 2015, 01:55:48 AM
6 features disappearing in Windows 10 and how to replace them (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2485170,00.asp)

Yeah, it was disappointing to find out about Solitaire (though it is something of a relief to find MS acting more like one would expect them to.  The devil you know...) but it's not like MS has a lock on the solitaire market.  There are literally dozens of solitaire websites and downloadable software to get your solitaire fix.  Not much of a deal-breaker.

I've checked my system and there is indeed a beefy ~6GB hidden $Windows BT directory here.  Though I did "reserve" my copy of Windows 10.  Meh.

Windows Media Player is hot garbage and won't be missed.  And since the year is no longer 2005, I will not be needing DVD software.  But, in the off chance that I find my old copy of Matrix Reloaded, I could always use 3rd party software to play it.  I would probably do that anyway.

And as of yet, there is no sign that the core functionality of Windows 10 will cost a dime for the users who went with the Windows 10 upgrade.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Sal1981 on August 07, 2015, 05:24:08 PM
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Did you follow the link I provided?  It's right there in the fourth paragraph.
I mean in Windows 10. I checked out that Solitaire Collection, and I didn't see the fees there. I did see stuff on sale in the Windows Store though.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: pato15 on August 09, 2015, 01:10:23 AM
Did I somehow miss Windows 9?

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Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Hydra009 on August 09, 2015, 02:31:44 AM
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Did I somehow miss Windows 9?

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(http://i.imgur.com/p7eQQK3.png)

Some poorly-written 3rd party software checks if the Windows version starts with a 9 and would confuse 9 with 95 or 98.

So no, the MS people didn't forget how to count.  They just wanted their OS to launch without a crapton of issues.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: pato15 on August 09, 2015, 07:09:05 AM
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(http://i.imgur.com/p7eQQK3.png)

Some poorly-written 3rd party software checks if the Windows version starts with a 9 and would confuse 9 with 95 or 98.

So no, the MS people didn't forget how to count.  They just wanted their OS to launch without a crapton of issues.
Thanks for the info! For some reason, I find that hilarious.

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Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: GSOgymrat on August 21, 2015, 10:01:26 PM
Windows 10 is said to be the "last version of Windows" meaning Microsoft is shifting the software to a "Windows as a service" model, as opposed to a piece of software you buy and more or less leave alone until the next model. The Windows software will run across multiple types of devices and be upgraded incrementally on an ongoing basis.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: peacewithoutgod on August 22, 2015, 12:27:24 AM
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Windows 8 is different, but that's not what makes it bad.  It almost looks like it was designed for the worst features of cell phones, like butt dialing.  There's constantly something popping up that I have absolutely no use for, not trying to activate, and wouldn't have put there in the first place.  I'm terrified when my mouse gets close to a corner of my screen, where an unwanted Microsoft intrusion is lurking, and it's not just an annoying popup that gets in the way.  Suddenly, I'm in an entirely new screen asking me stuff like what do I want to find?  Hell, I wasn't trying to find anything, you idiot.  I was trying to read the news.  An then if I do try to find something like a misplaced file, it takes me to some site on the internet (usually one that is trying to sell me something that I don't even know what it's for).

Given the direction that Microsoft seems to want its interface to go, I don't have confidence that
Windows 10 will be that good.  But we live in Microsoft's world and that's just the way things are going to be.  We are at the mercy of our Microsoft overlords.  They know what's best for us, even if we don't.  Just be thankful they haven't sent their armed jack boots to your door to take you away.
Sounds like the old dancing paper clip, "Clippy" revisited. I have Windows on my other drive partition, but Microsoft annoyances and horrible security issues are why I avoid Windows whenever possible. I use Linux now almost exclusively, and my only complaints are miserable support for Bluetooth devices, and half-assed support for managing secondary monitor output. Other than that, Ubuntu LXDE runs well on my laptop, is far more customizable than Windows 7, is worry-free concerning security, while keeping it altogether simple.