I feel like people attack Christianity alot for it's bullshit, which I happily agree with and do myself, but I also attack Islam and other religions for the bullshit they spew out. Why are so many people afraid to attack Islam?
Quote from: hilary on July 20, 2015, 05:27:27 AM
I feel like people attack Christianity alot for it's bullshit, which I happily agree with and do myself, but I also attack Islam and other religions for the bullshit they spew out. Why are so many people afraid to attack Islam?
well your certainly not find people here that are afraid to call islam on the horrendous acts of depravity they commit, infact its an easy comparison to how christianity was centuries ago to how islam is now.
I think the problem comes from the international aspect of it, since islam is central in a country far from western countries, unlike christianity which is now centralized in the west, so its less attacked by people in western countries for what they do maybe because its just an accepted fallacy that its their way of life?
I dunno though, this could use a little more context and comparison.
I am subscribed to someone on youtube who spends every video he uploads speaking the truth about islam and what it does when it pushes its way into western culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N46mIHEGHN0
Yes, I suppose that could be it actually. It probably is the reason.
If people don't attack it because theyre ignorant of it, then I understand.
but if it's because one if afraid, that shouldnt be an issue.
We are told by our leaders and the media all the time that Islam is peace.
Islam does not pose any danger whatsoever.
Those few who murder, bomb, rape and taking slaves are not Muslims, and it is not True Islam TM.
I believe them. And so should you.
Only racists, bigots, haters and Islamophobes think otherwise.
QuoteWhy are so many people afraid to attack Islam?
Because they kill you if you do. (peacefully of course.)
It seems like fewer people are afraid to attack Islam today than 5 years ago. But no matter the general feeling, Islam will always have non-Islamic supporters.
Death is a transient thing, Fuck Islam!
I don't support political Islam etc because I don't support politics in general and religious politics in particular. Politically, I consider the Catholic Church to be as big a threat as Islam. I see non-political religion as cultural and psychological. In that aspect, I can't be against it, anymore than I can be against Romantic Art. Rationalist atheism is ... artistically ... hyper-Classical Art. It didn't become popular even as a minority opinion, before the so-called Enlightenment. Of course it is rational .. in a place like Pakistan .. to be afraid to criticize Islam .. as it is rational in the US to criticize Islam. There won't be much official condemnation though ... because the West is dependent on Iranian and Saudi oil. Similarly there won't be much criticism of Russia in Germany, because they are dependent on Russian gas. How fearlessly can you criticize, if you have no gas for winter, or no petrol for getting to work? It is easy to criticize Nazis from the US in 1941, not so much from within Germany. There is much criticism of Islam in the church and synagogue ... but then that is partisanship that y'all won't notice. Unfortunately the critical position is undermined, by linking to that British guy in the Youtube .. he is a regular bigot. Better to link to Trump on immigration ;-(
I find the question pretty odd. Where do you live? In a cave? Because they kill people.
See, muslim extremists do not have the power to create an international policy and build a culture around it to turn their massacres into some 'war against terrorism'. They also do not have the military technology to annihilate people in masses, so they just cut heads one by one or strap bombs to themselves.
They are not extremist.
They are devout believers practising their religion as it was commanded by the founder, the prophet Muhammad, following the Quran and Sunna.
They would be extremist if they did all of these atrocities CONTRARY to the teachings of their religion.
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Quote from: Munch on July 20, 2015, 08:46:38 AM
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I see Mr. Churchill had never heard of Judaism...
Quote from: Shiranu on July 20, 2015, 09:42:43 AM
I see Mr. Churchill had never heard of Judaism...
probably not no, decades before the internet, and information only confine to books and newspapers
Careful there, quoting Churchill (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10792895/Election-candidate-arrested-over-Churchill-speech.html) can get you arrested.
He was an islamophobe.
No wonder Obama sent his bust back to the UK. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html)
I like Winston Churchill too ... but he was anything but progressive. He was at least an agnostic if not an atheist. Nothing religious about him ... but he was probably too politic to say anything regarding the Anglican Church ;-) His opposition to Islam had to do with their unreasonable resistance to British imperialism. But then he was no T E Lawrence ... who went native.
Winston was an old fashioned colonial warmonger ... in India, Iraq, Sudan, South Africa. Having made a strong name for himself, he proceeded to blow it all during WW I at Gallipoli. After that he was a political historian of fine wit and turn of phrase ... until the British government, who had internally exiled him, recalled him temporarily (he was thrown out by the voters themselves in 1945 as soon as the war was over). Their greatest hero, unceremoniously thrown on the dust heap of history. He helped Joe Stalin create the Cold War (this was part of his ongoing war against Bolshevism that dated back thirty years earlier) and failed to reverse the devolution of Empire. Then spent his remaining years as a crank. I love him ... one of the most successful failures in history ... an inspiration!
I'd be too scared to even type "Islam is shit" or "people have committed acts of violence in the name of Islam and with Islamic beliefs that the violence is a good thing."
I would be way too scared to type out "fuck Islam."
Quote from: hilary on July 20, 2015, 05:27:27 AM
I feel like people attack Christianity alot for it's bullshit, which I happily agree with and do myself, but I also attack Islam and other religions for the bullshit they spew out. Why are so many people afraid to attack Islam?
Frankly, they are boring and frustrating to debate with.
Quote from: Termin on July 21, 2015, 11:44:36 AM
Frankly, they are boring and frustrating to debate with.
Exactly! They almost make every moment; "Kiss Allah's Ass Moment"
Quote from: kilodelta on July 20, 2015, 11:24:30 PM
I would be way too scared to type out "fuck Islam."
Fuck Islam!
I feel like playing a ymca song with those words.
"Fuck, Islam
You know their talking bull shit
yes Fuck Islam
their prophet had a small dick
yes Fuck Islam
They roger nine year old girls
Fuck Islam
Cry Allah around the world!
Quote from: hilary on July 20, 2015, 05:27:27 AMWhy are so many people afraid to attack Islam?
I reckon it's more to do about possible backlash, than seeing Christianity as more wrong (if you can say that). I mean, Christianity's adherents seem toothless to the abundant savagery of ISIS for instance.
Or, Christianity simply is "closer to home" deal.
Termin ... I agree ... boring to talk to. They are even more into their own matrix than Evangelical Christians ... because they are usually pre-modern ... which Evangelical Christians are not. At best they are like KingJ. At worst they are like a Catholic from a small impoverished village in Croatia.
One aspect is that they are aristocratic ... usually they won't dane to talk to you ... because they are your master. One doesn't converse with one's dog. Some Sufis might know what they are talking about ... not just dogma ... but they would never bother to talk to you or I ... like Orthodox rabbis, they are only into recruiting their own, not strangers.
One primary reason is that it gets erroneously conflated with racism, at least from my experience.
Why someone would accuse an individual of bigotry for relaying facts about Islam whilst overlooking the fact bigotry is one of the defining characteristics of the religion is beyond me.
It is very hard to escape prejudice, bigotry or racism. For Europeans, the Muslims, including Turks, are the "new Jews/Gypsies". And their prejudice, bigotry and racism are legendary. If racism is defined as bigotry with power ... as in imperialism ... Muslims are the victims of European racism since 1700 ... which is the last time Muslims were powerful. Americans attempted to establish a better record, but immediately failed .. not least because some of the Africans brought over were Muslim, not pagan. Also Thomas Jefferson immediately stumbled into our first war on Islam ... the Tripolitania War ... over 200 years ago.
Now it is true, many people don't like negative facts. But if they are facts, then they are not prejudice, bigotry or racism. But facts are slippery things. Certainly Muslims are racist when they are in power ... but then all imperialists are. And all "tribes" are bigoted, particularly the Anglo-Saxon.
For me, it's just very hard for me to hate on someone I don't know or have experienced personally, or haven't through reputation or report made themselves out to be a total fuckwad. Sure, if asked, I'll say that I think that Islam is a vile institution that needs to be wiped from the earth, but it's not something I volunteer to just any Muslim's face or online unless they've done or said something to raise my ire, because pointless antagonism is pointless and stupid. It's the same reason I don't volunteer that the RCC is a vile institution to be met with the same fate right into a Catholic's face or online unless they've done or said something to piss me off. I'm also unwilling to say a Muslim is willfully evil for following Islam for much the same reason I'm unwilling to say a Catholic is willfully evil for following Catholicism and the RCC. 'Stupidity' is much more parsimonious.
That said, I hear much less from the Muslims than I do from Catholics or other Christians, so I complain about Christians much more than I complain about Muslims. It's just simple sampling bias. But make no mistake: when they come here and spout their bullshit, we have proven ourselves to be perfectly willing to logically and rhetorically eviscerate them the same as any Christian.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on July 21, 2015, 10:50:51 PMThat said, I hear much less from the Muslims than I do from Catholics or other Christians, so I complain about Christians much more than I complain about Muslims. It's just simple sampling bias. But make no mistake: when they come here and spout their bullshit, we have proven ourselves to be perfectly willing to logically and rhetorically eviscerate them the same as any Christian.
Yep. And the funny thing is, unless they bring up Muhammad or the Quran or something else that identifies them as muslim, it's difficult to tell if it's Christian or Muslim BS. It's that generic.
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