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Title: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: Aletheia on June 27, 2015, 06:34:12 PM
It is a sad time for those who fought valiantly to maintain the sanctity of marriage being between a man and a woman as God had intended.

I think we should send our condolences and offer our support.

So, to get things started, this reminded me of how the opposition must be feeling right about now:

(http://www.troll.me/images/glamorous-grayson/shit-the-rainbows-closing-in.jpg)
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: drunkenshoe on June 27, 2015, 06:37:57 PM
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Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: kilodelta on June 27, 2015, 07:49:54 PM
Don't worry. They still have their heroes.

(http://13thdimension.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/AmbGayDuo.jpg)

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Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: AllPurposeAtheist on June 27, 2015, 08:15:49 PM
Tough shit! Hahaha!

That is all.
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: dtq123 on June 27, 2015, 08:16:51 PM
I'd like to see them all go gay.
:popcorn:
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: TomFoolery on June 27, 2015, 08:36:12 PM
Quote from: Aletheia on June 27, 2015, 06:34:12 PM
I think we should send our condolences and offer our support.

I think I've asked this of many people on social media in the past 48 hours or so, but why is homosexuality the hill you want to die on, out of all the other stuff in the Bible says is wrong, like divorce, adultery, pre-marital sex, tattoos, etc.? If they were able to come around and accept that another person having a tattoo or getting a divorce hasn't ruined their entire life, hopefully one day they will see that applies to homosexuality. I wish them the best in their soul-searching. I really do.
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: Hydra009 on June 28, 2015, 02:20:57 AM
I generally only offer people consolation when bad stuff happens to them.  In this case, nothing bad actually happened to them.  Basically, they only lost the ability to legally exclude people they don't like from marriage.  So I have exactly zero sympathy to offer them.

However, it will be interesting to see how they take this.  If they accept the outcome and move on, I won't hold a grudge.  If they fuss and whine that they didn't get their way and demand that society change back to accommodate their primitive views (apparently the far more popular reaction at the moment), then they can bugger off.

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Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: TomFoolery on June 28, 2015, 09:19:17 AM
(http://i57.tinypic.com/ighzde.png)

I was able to offer this consolation yesterday, to an unapologetic, born-again evangelical militant Christian who as it turns out, has a few tattoos. Perhaps it's not consoling to reveal to someone that their tattoos put them on par with homosexuals in the eyes of the Lord, but maybe it will give her pause to think. Maybe? Ok, probably not. But it made me feel better.
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: hrdlr110 on June 28, 2015, 09:29:43 AM
Is it possible that this ruling is a backhanded attempt at removing non-profit status of churches? Wouldn't they lose their status if they don't serve everybody equally under the new law?
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 28, 2015, 09:34:40 AM
Quote from: TomFoolery on June 28, 2015, 09:19:17 AM
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I was able to offer this consolation yesterday, to an unapologetic, born-again evangelical militant Christian who as it turns out, has a few tattoos. Perhaps it's not consoling to reveal to someone that their tattoos put them on par with homosexuals in the eyes of the Lord, but maybe it will give her pause to think. Maybe? Ok, probably not. But it made me feel better.
And it should make you feel better.  Outing ignorance is always reason to feel better.  Good job!
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: Solitary on June 28, 2015, 10:12:05 AM
I pray for them!  :eek:  Because that is all they deserve.  :fU:
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: Aletheia on June 28, 2015, 11:40:47 AM
I think this will definitely give the opposition much pause in the coming weeks:

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Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: SGOS on June 28, 2015, 11:48:20 AM
Quote from: hrdlr110 on June 28, 2015, 09:29:43 AM
Is it possible that this ruling is a backhanded attempt at removing non-profit status of churches? Wouldn't they lose their status if they don't serve everybody equally under the new law?
That's an interesting idea, and sometimes politics has such hidden agendas, but I don't think either party really wants to tax churches.  They very fact that I think it's a wonderful idea tells me it probably ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: hrdlr110 on June 28, 2015, 11:20:29 PM
Quote from: SGOS on June 28, 2015, 11:48:20 AM
That's an interesting idea, and sometimes politics has such hidden agendas, but I don't think either party really wants to tax churches.  They very fact that I think it's a wonderful idea tells me it probably ain't gonna happen.

I suppose it's a way to find out exactly where some churches really stand on the issue. I don't think they can turn away members of a community they serve without forfeiting their non-profit status. That's the way i understand it anyhow. But i think you're right,  it's too appealing to actually happen. And faced with the choice; marry same sex partners or lose your non profit status,  i reckon most might start marketing gay marriage on their reader boards.
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 28, 2015, 11:38:09 PM
Quote from: hrdlr110 on June 28, 2015, 11:20:29 PM
I suppose it's a way to find out exactly where some churches really stand on the issue. I don't think they can turn away members of a community they serve without forfeiting their non-profit status. That's the way i understand it anyhow. But i think you're right,  it's too appealing to actually happen. And faced with the choice; marry same sex partners or lose your non profit status,  i reckon most might start marketing gay marriage on their reader boards.
I don't think any church will be forced to marry anybody they don't want to--and that includes gays.  A gay couple can always get a civil marriage. 
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: hrdlr110 on June 28, 2015, 11:57:38 PM
Quote from: Mike Cl on June 28, 2015, 11:38:09 PM
I don't think any church will be forced to marry anybody they don't want to--and that includes gays.  A gay couple can always get a civil marriage. 

That may be.  However,  unbelievable as it may sound,  there are gays that want a church wedding. They may now feel that based on this decision,  they have that right.  Some will want it because they always have.  A minority few will want it as a "fuck you" to the church - either way,  get your popcorn,  this should be good!
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: Hydra009 on June 29, 2015, 01:03:38 AM
Quote from: hrdlr110 on June 28, 2015, 11:57:38 PMThat may be.  However,  unbelievable as it may sound,  there are gays that want a church wedding.
And they'd likely get it.  There are a few denominations that'd do it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations#North_America), and that's bound to increase as more Americans have come to accept homosexuality in recent years.  No arm-twisting necessary.
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: SGOS on June 29, 2015, 06:50:05 AM
A wedding in a Church is a extremely popular ritual.  Atheists are the notable exception, but I suspect most gays are not atheists.
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: TomFoolery on June 29, 2015, 08:50:52 AM
Quote from: SGOS on June 29, 2015, 06:50:05 AM
A wedding in a Church is a extremely popular ritual.  Atheists are the notable exception, but I suspect most gays are not atheists.

I would think that many gays don't attend churches that hate them.

There are quite a few non-denominational churches that openly accept homosexual members. There are more liberal denominations (unitarian universalists and humanists aren't Christian and barely qualify as religious) and more liberal individuals within more conservative churches. There was a Methodist pastor disciplined for officiating the wedding of his gay son.
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 29, 2015, 08:51:05 AM
Quote from: hrdlr110 on June 28, 2015, 11:57:38 PM
That may be.  However,  unbelievable as it may sound,  there are gays that want a church wedding. They may now feel that based on this decision,  they have that right.  Some will want it because they always have.  A minority few will want it as a "fuck you" to the church - either way,  get your popcorn,  this should be good!
Don't bother with the popcorn.  This will be a non-show.  Why?  Because there are plenty of churches in any state that will marry a gay couple.  UU will preform them, Unity will do likewise.  And I'm sure there are other denominations that will do the same. 
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: SGOS on June 29, 2015, 10:38:27 AM
Quote from: TomFoolery on June 29, 2015, 08:50:52 AM
I would think that many gays don't attend churches that hate them. 

That would make sense logically, but it may be problematic for say a gay person born and raised, for example, as a Catholic.  Throwing off the religious indoctrination is not that easy, and many religions teach it a sin to convert to something else.  I could see a gay Catholic wanting to be married in the Church of his birthright.

When I look about the forum, I see gay atheists, but how typical is this sample of the gay community?  I have no idea.
Title: Re: Any Thoughts or Consolation for the Opposition?
Post by: TomFoolery on June 29, 2015, 12:56:38 PM
Quote from: SGOS on June 29, 2015, 10:38:27 AM
That would make sense logically, but it may be problematic for say a gay person born and raised, for example, as a Catholic.  Throwing off the religious indoctrination is not that easy, and many religions teach it a sin to convert to something else.  I could see a gay Catholic wanting to be married in the Church of his birthright.

But much like the Methodist minister, I imagine there are at least a few progressive Catholic priests who would marry homosexuals if one looks hard enough.