There's a megathread on Reddit right now asking "Women of Reddit, when did you first notice that men were looking at you in a sexual way?" (http://np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3249ff/women_of_reddit_when_did_you_first_notice_that/) It's already received a number of sobering and extremely depressing responses. You'll notice a lot of the cases are before the girl was even a teenager.
Some notable replies. (Warning, reading some of these are bound to ruin your day.)
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Damn, that's totally fucked up.
The more I talk to women, the more and more I am ashamed of having a penis (because it means I have to be related to these creeps). So many men are seriously pathetic... I don't know if I have talked to any women (and even some gay guys) who has not had experiences of men just completely having zero respect for them as anything other than a fuck toy and "something" they can harass. The fact that I have had to walk with coworkers through a college campus because they are concerned about being harassed or worse is just pathetic.
You really weren't kidding about ruining my day were you?
This is actually a really good dialog to have. I don't think I was so unusual and had a pretty good and privileged childhood, but I am not at all shocked that these women are talking about being harassed as little girls. This happened to me on quite a few occasions by more than one man--fondling, attempted fondling, and exposure. Memories of it are a little foggy, so I am not entirely sure how old I was or even who it was, but it happened.
"in a sexual way" implies mind reading.
Quote from: Mermaid on April 12, 2015, 07:45:56 AM
Sorry?
If someone looks at you, it's your own perceptions that define how that look is interpreted.
You can look but not touch
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2015, 07:55:35 AM
If someone looks at you, it's your own perceptions that define how that look is interpreted.
So it's all in my head when I think a man is leering at me. It's all so clear to me now. Women are so flighty and silly.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 07:55:52 AM
You can look but not touch
Did you read any of the accounts in the OP?
Do you really think this is ok?
Quote from: Mermaid on April 12, 2015, 08:03:40 AM
So it's all in my head when I think a man is leering at me. It's all so clear to me now. Women are so flighty and silly.
The Rule of So states that when a sentence starts with "So..." the following is seldom what the person being "quoted" actually meant.
They can be, sometimes I look off see some girls but are way off in planet Neptune, and sometimes i'm thinking the girl may seem familiar and some memories come back to me.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2015, 08:04:55 AM
The Rule of So states that when a sentence starts with "So..." the following is seldom what the person being "quoted" actually meant.
Apologies if I misinterpreted what you said, honestly. But that's how I read it. I take it I'm wrong? Can you clarify then?
Quote from: Mermaid on April 12, 2015, 08:04:19 AM
Did you read any of the accounts in the OP?
Do you really think this is ok?
yes I read accounts. they were just looking and we all know how perverted oldmen can be
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 08:10:34 AM
yes I read accounts. they were just looking and we all know how perverted oldmen can be
Okay, so let's just assume, for the sake of argument that we do know how perverted old men can be. Is this something that should be accepted as a rule then? Does this do any sort of damage to the girls in question? I'd like your perspective on that.
Quote from: Mermaid on April 12, 2015, 08:08:35 AM
Apologies if I misinterpreted what you said, honestly. But that's how I read it. I take it I'm wrong? Can you clarify then?
If I look at you, how is the determination made as to whether I'm looking at you in a sexual way, as a possible mark for a confidence game, or with cannibalistic intent? In most cases it would be because you perceive me to be looking at you that way. You may be right, you may be wrong, but in either case you can't be sure.
And, premptively, I do not approve of looking at young girls in a "sexual manner". However, I'm a male, and I was in the Navy for 20 years, so I have looked at women in a manner that could be construed as "sexual", but I was never, ever aggressive with a woman. Just not my style.
BTW, I'm currently 64 years old and most of my "looks" are based on "what the hell are you wearing?"
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on April 12, 2015, 08:14:54 AM
If I look at you, how is the determination made as to whether I'm looking at you in a sexual way, as a possible mark for a confidence game, or with cannibalistic intent? In most cases it would be because you perceive me to be looking at you that way. You may be right, you may be wrong, but in either case you can't be sure.
And, premptively, I do not approve of looking at young girls in a "sexual manner". However, I'm a male, and I was in the Navy for 20 years, so I have looked at women in a manner that could be construed as "sexual", but I was never, ever aggressive with a woman. Just not my style.
BTW, I'm currently 64 years old and most of my "looks" are based on "what the hell are you wearing?"
Ok, thanks for that.
Do you think these women could have misinterpreting the intent of the men they are talking about when they were little girls then?
Quote from: Mermaid on April 12, 2015, 08:19:15 AM
Ok, thanks for that.
Do you think these women could have misinterpreting the intent of the men they are talking about when they were little girls then?
I don't know, and neither does anyone else, including the person making the reports. That's the problem with polls like this. I agree that the issue should be discussed and am in no way trying to stifle the matter, but I do think we need to be accurate about the quality of the data, insofar as it's possible to be accurate with a poll. If it works out that this leads to a reduction in sexual predation of children then I'd be glad to give the pollsters a big hug and kiss.
Quote from: Mermaid on April 12, 2015, 08:12:40 AM
Okay, so let's just assume, for the sake of argument that we do know how perverted old men can be. Is this something that should be accepted as a rule then? Does this do any sort of damage to the girls in question? I'd like your perspective on that.
if touch yes, if not no. It's totally natural.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 08:22:12 AM
if touch yes, if not no. It's totally natural.
I see.
Herein lies the issue. It's very hard not to get emotional about this sort of thing, but I urge you to stop and think about this. Why was that little girl afraid while in the dressing room? The man didn't touch her. Why was the young girl upset when the man blocked her path in the restaurant and talked to her in a sexual manner, and asked her mother if she had done something wrong? Is it damaging or upsetting for a girl or a woman to witness a man jerking off in front of her, such as the veterinarian described in the story above?
I think this is the crux of the issue here--that until people walk a mile in each other's shoes, they just do not see it.
i didnt read anything about jerking in front of her or stalking. Al I saw were comments saying men looked at the girls in a sexual way.
Then read it again.
I read 20 of them anthe page is too long. I say you are offended because I declare all people on earth are perverts and you want it just to be men
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 08:37:58 AM
I read 20 of them anthe page is too long. I say you are offended because I declare all people on earth are perverts and you want it just to be men
I'm sorry, what?
I am attempting to discuss what is in the OP. I am unclear on why you are participating if you don't care to read it and understand the context.
"Ha! It reminds me of my first time in the context of this thread. A school mate came up to me - I was maybe 12/13 - and said point blank "I'm inviting you to my party because you have big boobs." I have no idea what I replied, but I remember the moment with utmost clarity. And.... I just realized I actually still kinda know the guy, peripherally. I wonder if he remembers that moment too?"
hes a pervert that likes boobs i like boobs lesbians like boobs gays like man boobs girls like boobs
everyone is a pervert
girls go crazy over little things like this. atleast you know hes attracted to the girl
Have you ever stopped to think about why "girls go crazy over 'little' things like this"?
Or ever considered that because YOU don't understand it, that doesn't make it a "little thing" that is unimportant or not valid? Your logic concerns me a great deal.
I have always wondered why woman like men after knowing how men are. When I was 15 I was short and thin ice skating wearing Levis and my sister's white ice skates and red hooded jacket when a guy in his early thirties came behind me and put his arm around me and then grabbed my butt and asked me if I wanted to have a good time. I pulled the hood down and asked him what the fuck he was doing? He asked me why I had white ice skates on looking embarrassed. I asked him if he always does that to young girls, "you fucking pervert!" I'm a guy, and later in life I had a lesbian say I had a nice tush when I walked by her. I sat down by her and said, "nice hair!" I was androgynous looking then with long hair and make up on my eyes. It was during the Glam Rock period. Solitary
I read a couple first lines of about 3 posts... and I don't think I can read through that. Too depressing.
I grew up in a patriarchal society and a farm community where parents were often not home and children were left to their own devices. Girls raised in that environment are taught that looks are paramount and their sexuality-subliminally- makes them desirable. Some cultures like the U.S. version of Irish Travelers hold "fairs" where they essentially line girls up to be taken as brides to older men
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/irish-travellers-in-us-marry-young-girls-off-as-young-as-13-to-older-men-video-220166991-237770921.html
Not much different dressing girls up in Sunday finery and sending them to Mormon mutual to be ogled by the boys when in puberty. Girls are taught from a young age to dress up and look good for the boys at church and in school. And of course the FLDS and other polygamous groups that have arranged marriages and allow the marriage of younger women-hopefully of legal age- to much older men.
And I have heard stories after the fact of girls that were molested, sometimes by their own fathers or brothers.
I have stood in a group of Mormon elders and had them actually critique young girls and make comments like "wow, like to have that for a second wife" or "Boy, she bloomed early". Seriously. The patriarchal attitude is very real, even today. Professional Mormon women are wives and mothers first, even if they are bread winners third.
Just look at Mitt Romney and his family and realize he represents an ideal Mormon.
Is it odd that I don't really care?
I can't do anything about it, so why should I care?
I may be a pervert myself, but I can't see myself in that position.
I just woke up like 10 minutes ago, so it's going to take a while for it to settle in.
Derp :eyes:
I think this thread is making me more depressed than the actual Reddit discussion.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 08:10:34 AM
yes I read accounts. they were just looking and we all know how perverted oldmen can be
That is just plain stupid! So much to comment on. If you read the accounts then you would see that they were about all ages of men, not just old. All men can be perverted--young and old. And I hate the use of the word 'perverted'--it makes it seem as though this is an act that is rare. I don't think that it is. In our society (and in many others), males are taught that they are superior than females; your parents don't even need to be the agent of that lesson, it permeates all of our society. Religion is a real culprit as well as the business world and society in general. Women are always being put into a subservient role in almost all areas. Yes, biology plays a big part in this--the human sexual drive is quite powerful. But that does not give any person the right to 'prey' on the opposite sex just because of your 'drives'.
"They were just looking" is simply bullshit. A woman with any self awareness can tell when a look is a look or a leer. This smacks of victimizing the victim. I taught my daughter (or tried to) two things. That the way women look in ads (super skinny touted as the 'sexy' look) is simply unhealthy. That if she ate in a sensible manner she will be at whatever weight she needs to be; and that is the real sexy way to look--I usually tried to push the healthy part and that good health will take care of the sexy part. Second, I tried to make her aware of the male libido and what that could mean in various situations; and that she always needed to be aware of her surroundings and the people around her. I never wanted he to be a victim of anything like any of the accounts listed above.
My grandfather--an old man--made it clear he thought that the women of the world have been given a raw deal. Not only was he an old man, but an 'old' world old man, and he clearly saw how our society was/is stacked against women. As I grew up, I realized how right he is. Maybe because I raised a daughter and not a son that makes me aware of the problems a girl/woman faces in all stages of their lives. Men simply should not be allowed to feel that they can treat females as they wish, simply because they think they can.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 08:22:12 AM
if touch yes, if not no. It's totally natural.
By the way, you are completely wrong about that kind of thing not doing very real damage.
You're also wrong about it being "natural". But whatever.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on April 12, 2015, 12:15:08 PM
I think this thread is making me more depressed than the actual Reddit discussion.
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I read the 1st comment and that was enough for me, unfortunately for girls and women a hell of a lot of men do this sort of thing, and worse, and some of them think its acceptable and natural behavior,it FKN isnt.............. :wtff:
Quote from: Solitary on April 12, 2015, 10:34:06 AM
I have always wondered why woman like men after knowing how men are.
Far from all men are disrespectful and predatory, thanks be to Jeebus. I think men are sorta nifty as a rule, as a matter of fact.
I just saw a video about Danica Patrick, and one comment was that she needed bigger tits. I find this ridiculous because she has one of the most perfect builds I have seen on a woman. Another one said she is ugly, and most said she can't drive because she is a woman---I guess they never heard of Shirley Muldowney, the best drag racer in her day period.
I hardly think she is flat chested or ugly: (http://i.imgur.com/7UNBXjJ.jpg)
Shirley Muldowney (born June 19, 1940 in Burlington, Vermont ), also known professionally as "Cha Cha" and the "First Lady of Drag Racing", is an American pioneer in professional auto racing. She was the first woman to receive a license from the National Hot Rod Association (NHRA) to drive a Top Fuel dragster. She won the NHRA Top Fuel championship in 1977, 1980 and 1982, becoming the first person to win two and three Top Fuel titles. She won a total of 18 NHRA national events
Quote from: Mermaid on April 12, 2015, 12:22:00 PM
By the way, you are completely wrong about that kind of thing not doing very real damage.
You're also wrong about it being "natural". But whatever.
It is natural *Looks at primate video* totally natural its just given time we homo sapien sapiens think we are Totally "Civil" and above animals and I bet once electricity is shot well be off to the dark ages once again.
If the man is doing something other than looking at her its unlawful and unjust and the man should be punished but to say if a man just looks at her tits its mentally horrible ur fuking crazy. Those are the words of a Social Justice warrior aka Feminist Nazi that wants to have all men be smited.
I have penis so I feel threatened. I am not ashamed I have penis I'm ashamed most people on earth are retards.
Seriously?
This is stupid,
But I am thinking I am more stupid for actually reading it.
So, Shame on me
Whether women like it or not they are sex objects, but an awful lot of crude and rude men think that that means women are inferior and be treated like an object instead of another human being, which is BULL SHIT! I love women and always have, lesbian or straight, unless they get bitchy, but I've known men like that also. :flowers: :kidra: :cool: Solitary
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 02:46:34 PM
It is natural *Looks at primate video* totally natural its just given time we homo sapien sapiens think we are Totally "Civil" and above animals and I bet once electricity is shot well be off to the dark ages once again.
If the man is doing something other than looking at her its unlawful and unjust and the man should be punished but to say if a man just looks at her tits its mentally horrible ur fuking crazy. Those are the words of a Social Justice warrior aka Feminist Nazi that wants to have all men be smited.
I have penis so I feel threatened. I am not ashamed I have penis I'm ashamed most people on earth are retards.
Is this a joke or something?
The stories of these women involve men who SPOKE TO THEM SEXUALLY and THREATENED THEM when they were children. That is not ok. Nobody is fucking saying you are a threat because you have a penis. Nobody is saying you're horrible if you look at someone's tits.
Quote from: Mermaid on April 12, 2015, 03:35:20 PM
Is this a joke or something?
The stories of these women involve men who SPOKE TO THEM SEXUALLY and THREATENED THEM when they were children. That is not ok. Nobody is fucking saying you are a threat because you have a penis. Nobody is saying you're horrible if you look at someone's tits.
Oh, and here I thought I should castrate myself.
Believe me, there are women out there that will do that for you. :eek: :pai: :biggrin2:
Quote from: Mermaid on April 12, 2015, 03:35:20 PM
Is this a joke or something?
The stories of these women involve men who SPOKE TO THEM SEXUALLY and THREATENED THEM when they were children. That is not ok. Nobody is fucking saying you are a threat because you have a penis. Nobody is saying you're horrible if you look at someone's tits.
If you remember, this is the same guy that wants to have sex with his relatives...
Sent from your mom.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 02:46:34 PM
It is natural *Looks at primate video* totally natural its just given time we homo sapien sapiens think we are Totally "Civil" and above animals and I bet once electricity is shot well be off to the dark ages once again.
If the man is doing something other than looking at her its unlawful and unjust and the man should be punished but to say if a man just looks at her tits its mentally horrible ur fuking crazy. Those are the words of a Social Justice warrior aka Feminist Nazi that wants to have all men be smited.
I have penis so I feel threatened. I am not ashamed I have penis I'm ashamed most people on earth are retards.
It's totally natural for primates to routinely rape females. Just because something is "natural" for primates does not mean it will work in human society - especially the first world societies in which we are striving for equality.
Trivializing these legitimate grievances of women by implying they are merely complaining about an ambiguous look or mild looks of approval in what a man sees is not only fucked up no matter how you slice it... but it's also a straw man argument.
Lastly, as a woman who was not raised with much concern about being a sex object and taught to value a person's character above all else, I can honestly say that I am not threatened by the fact that you have a penis (and I am a rape survivor) and I have no desire for you to feel ashamed of your penis anymore than I feel I should be ashamed for having a vagina.
Now that we have that cleared up, this is what the topic at hand is about - little girls (minors) being not only seen as sex objects but being made aware that these men only see them as sex objects. In some cases, these girls are touched inappropriately or molested. Furthermore, when these little girls grow into adult women, these same sorts of men make it known that to them, women are devoid of any meaningful humanity and are only sex objects. When men of this poor quality harass, touch, and molest such women, few people believe them. Family members, spouses, and even close friends take a stance similar to your own. They try to play down the severity of the issue.
Admitting that a significant portion of the male population have yet to recognize women's humanity and see them as a fuck toy does not paint all men in a bad light. Women aren't coming out in droves demanding all men be castrated. I, for one, am not asking for men to suffer or be treated as anything less than what they are - a human being with the right of being treated fairly and with respect. However, it is not logical to dismiss the atrocious behaviour of some men and downplay the legitimate grievances of women who were dehumanized because a lot of men are of good character and treat women with respect. It's not right to dismiss these grievances because men have a libido. Remember, women have a libido, and let's not forget that a woman's libido was suppressed for centuries. Asking men to tone down their libido enough to where everyone can get along isn't asking for much.
Yes, most everyone likes sex, and yes, men are stereotyped has having a much higher sex drive. This does not mean that men should be privileged to leer, stare, humiliate, make unwanted sexual advances, molest, or rape because they are a "victim" of their libido or their needs for sexual expression trumps the rights of others. This notion wouldn't work in a gay society of men - so why on Earth would it work in a straight society of men and women?
This is about civil rights and respect between human beings - not a penis versus vagina debate.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 12, 2015, 05:35:15 PM
If you remember, this is the same guy that wants to have sex with his relatives...
Sent from your mom.
I just realized how inappropriate this signature is for this thread.... lmao
Quote from: Shiranu on April 12, 2015, 03:18:58 AM
The more I talk to women, the more and more I am ashamed of having a penis (because it means I have to be related to these creeps). So many men are seriously pathetic... I don't know if I have talked to any women (and even some gay guys) who has not had experiences of men just completely having zero respect for them as anything other than a fuck toy and "something" they can harass. The fact that I have had to walk with coworkers through a college campus because they are concerned about being harassed or worse is just pathetic.
Well, I'm currently on a thing where this is all biological. It starts with this tasty sound byte:
A penis implies, but does not necessitate, rape.
Not all animals have penises. Eagles, for example do not have one. Their genitals "kiss" to transfer the sperm. Of course, eagles also fuck while falling to earth from hundreds of feet in the air. If they fail to disengage and take flight in time, the term "spread eagle" gets a new meaning.
The duck, on the other hand is the one of the most rapin' animals on the planet. If you see ducks having sex, chances are you're witnessing a rape. Now ducks do have a penis. A penis twice as long as their body, for fuck's sake, and corkscrews! The female duck has developed a defense against the male's phallus by having an extra long vaginal cavity that twists and turns, so the male developed a penis and an elaborate erection procedure to compensate.
Now the reason why ducks developed penises in the first place is to aide with rape. At least from a biological standpoint, the purpose of the penis is to keep the naughty bits lined up to facilitate the delivery of sperm. Especially is one of the participants is unwilling and trying to fight the other one off or simply walk away.
The biological reason for rape comes from our selfish genes and how they shape our behavior to have us pass them down to the next generation (because genes that don't do this will die out). Typically, the female decides whom they shall mate with and they usually select the biggest, strongest, healthiest, most impressive males. This makes sense as they want healthy, strong offspring for the next generation. But what does a male do if they are not the biggest, strongest, healthiest or very impressive? His genes still compel him to procreate, but those dumb jocks are getting all the action. If he cannot get a female to mate with him willingly, he mates with one who is unwilling. It's a method that is successful in allowing a less than ideal male to pass on his genes.
So, what does this all mean, besides that ducks are not wholesome animals and you shouldn't take the kids to the park to see them.
First off, a penis is nothing to be proud of. Nothing to be ashamed of, either. We have found them to be quite... agreeable during consensual sex. But they do show that we are all descended from creatures for whom non-consensual sex was viable breeding strategy.
However, we are not merely slaves to our gene and biological heritage. We can think and make our own choices and do better than our ancestors.
Apart from that, I really don't have much insight on the matter.
We share the dna of all animals of this earth. And those animals have all forms of mating--some seem neat to us and others not so neat. So what????? Just because a chimp has a certain biological drive does not equate to human sexual drive. Yes the biological drive in humans is strong--it was developed to ensure the continued existence of our species. However, if I get a boner by just being out and about does not give me licence to act in inappropriate ways toward the reason for my boner. Biology cannot be used as an excuse to act badly. I am in enough of control of myself that I have choices to make--and I have to be held accountable for any choice I make, good or bad. Whatever the reason for my boner is on me and cannot be used as an excuse to molest another person.
It is a sad fact that females of all ages, sizes and shapes are subjected to unwanted sexual harassment far, far too often in this society. There are a thousand reasons for that--none of which are acceptable.
Quote from: Mermaid on April 12, 2015, 03:35:20 PM
Is this a joke or something?
The stories of these women involve men who SPOKE TO THEM SEXUALLY and THREATENED THEM when they were children. That is not ok. Nobody is fucking saying you are a threat because you have a penis. Nobody is saying you're horrible if you look at someone's tits.
you gave a few out of many quotes ans suddenly you think the whole thing is like that. Yes they spoke but most didnt touch. Also it is pretense that ur saying men are bad or pepetually boys are bad foe having raging hormones and looking at girls and saying look at her tits
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 12, 2015, 05:35:15 PM
If you remember, this is the same guy that wants to have sex with his relatives...
Sent from your mom.
great lets gather around to discuss my flaws other than the fact preteens are disgusting to me 16 maybe but i like women legal and more mature
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 09:47:44 PM
great lets gather around to discuss my flaws other than the fact preteens are disgusting to me 16 maybe but i like women legal and more mature
Am I the only one interested in loli, Milfs, but not much in between?
QuoteWhen did you first notice that men were looking at you in a sexual way?
I was walking my dog through a picnic area of a forest preserve in Chicago, when a guy kept cruising by me in his car. It looked like he was getting ready to try and make contact with me. I followed a trail to another picnic area on the other side of the preserve, but he had driven around and was waiting there for me, still eyeballing me. I took another trail back to the first picnic area, but he got out of the car and followed me. I wasn't going to panic and start running like an idiot, so he caught up with me, and started talking to me. He quickly worked in to the conversation that I could get raped walking around the woods by myself. Hell, I had walked in those woods my entire life, and knew of no such incidents. I told him I wasn't interested in getting raped, and started walking away from him again. He didn't follow this time. I was a little nervous, because I was in the woods, somewhat alone, with a complete stranger who was making weird conversation. Mostly, I was surprised.
Quote from: dtq123 on April 12, 2015, 09:50:32 PM
Am I the only one interested in loli, Milfs, but not much in between?
Japan riuned us with the loli shit. But only cartoon porn. weird.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 09:36:53 PM
Yes they spoke but most didnt touch.
Sigh... I'm guessing you didn't bother to read my post.
This topic isn't about the casual glancing at a woman's boobs and sexual harassment doesn't start the moment a man touches a woman inappropriately. If a gay man you really didn't know who was much stronger than you talked about all the ways he wanted to fuck you and everyone around you downplayed the event as you just "exaggerating" or told you to "deal with it" because gay men have stronger libidos than straight men, I doubt you would be ok because he hasn't touched you yet. I'm pretty sure you'd be a little bothered if this behemoth of a gay man had you cornered and was telling you how he'd pin you to the desk, tear away your clothes, and give it to you hard and dry. I think it's safe to say that you'd feel pissed that someone had the gall to talk to you like that and given that this man can literally overpower you with almost no effort, I'm sure you'd be a little worried about your safety.
I think it's fair to say that you'd want this man to keep a respectable distance, shut the fuck up about his fantasies about you, and you'd want people to listen to you when you say this has gone too far.
Talking to someone in such a vulgar way is no different than calling a black person a "nigger," a Mexican a "wetback," a Korean a "gook," or a German a "Nazi." Yes, you may find a person sexually attractive, but unless you are already intimate with a person - there is no reason to discuss sexually explicit things you want to do to that person. In doing so, the man or woman is stripped of their equality and relegated to the role of sex object. Just like any other offensive language, a person is dehumanized. The black man becomes chattel, the Mexican nothing more than dirty illegal alien sneaking across the border, the Korean a slant-eyed caricature, and the German a fascist killer of Jews.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on April 12, 2015, 12:15:08 PM
I think this thread is making me more depressed than the actual Reddit discussion.
Proof once again of why I respect your intelligence.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 09:47:44 PM
great lets gather around to discuss my flaws other than the fact preteens are disgusting to me 16 maybe but i like women legal and more mature
Just putting things in perspective. Mermaid seemed surprised at what you were saying, and I wanted to remind her who it was coming from.
And now on a lighter note...
https://youtu.be/qVO3sNcJ7A8
Never understood cat-calling. I can't imagine it has ever worked in attracting a woman.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 12, 2015, 09:36:53 PM
you gave a few out of many quotes ans suddenly you think the whole thing is like that. Yes they spoke but most didnt touch. Also it is pretense that ur saying men are bad or pepetually boys are bad foe having raging hormones and looking at girls and saying look at her tits
Um. No. But you are plainly incapable of having a conversation about this and seem to be deliberately ignoring the important points. You seem to be fabricating shit as you go along here.
I have no interest in carrying this any further with you, other than to say I hope you don't hurt anyone.
Quote from: Mermaid on April 13, 2015, 08:07:49 AM
Um. No. But you are plainly incapable of having a conversation about this and seem to be deliberately ignoring the important points. You seem to be fabricating shit as you go along here.
I have no interest in carrying this any further with you, other than to say I hope you don't hurt anyone.
you mean to say your butthurt
I didnt see the spoiler at 1st like I did now but i did say men who do that should be punished. I was looking athe the list of comments in the websie. Funny how peeps automatically think I'm supporting those men when i'm not.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2015, 08:47:34 AM
you mean to say your butthurt
No. She means to say you are coming across as a zian fundamental zealot who does not listen to or even consider reason in a discussion.
I always knew there were some petty nasty guys out there, but this level is certainly disheartening. I used to get shit for making jokes about pedophilia, but one day having some drinks with a bunch of guys, we got into some raunchy jokes and some of it got into kids like: "I like my women like I like my rum, carmel colored and 12 years old". That's been a fav line of mine for years, everybody laughed and later I said i should probably drop that joke as people might take it seriously, one guy laughed at me and said, "pedo's never joke about it, they don't even talk about it, they don't even acknowledge it until caught", they know their sick, that's why I never worry about the guys telling the sick jokes, its the ones that get offended that I keep an eye on". He had been working vice and child abuse for 20 years with the state of Florida.
No doubt a lot of sick fucks out there and the worse part is perhaps a majority of males may consider or even act of the possibility if they knew they wouldn't get caught. I would think that number would skyrocket if the girl showed interest. We are a highly charged sexual animal, and evolution still has some work to do. So it seems.
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 13, 2015, 09:08:52 AM
No. She means to say you are coming across as a zian fundamental zealot who does not listen to or even consider reason in a discussion.
You mean it's the other way around. Discussion? No. It's more about her telling me those men should be punish which I agree. However she isn't getting what I'm saying which is looking at the whole thing in a scientific way which takes form of our unconscious and conscience thoughts as well as assumed b the dumb guys actions meaning if a few guys do it than all men are pigs notion that are society has strict rules favoring women that they deny. So i see everything is connected and Mermaid and many users are so ethically zealous they think I'm evil or something. and there just and I'm horrendous. I'm sorry i didn't see the spoiler but those are one of the comments posted on the link, and it isn't fair to say all men do this because its taken by perceptive and the fact most women's emotions are illogical. Like say for example the guy is looking at some girl but is really staring off in space. The thing that pissed me off is when Shiranu said I'm ashamed of having a dick, it made me feel we need someone to say i'm proud that i have a dick and these guys really dont or something and such as such.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2015, 03:02:54 PM
You mean it's the other way around. Discussion? No. It's more about her telling me those men should be punish which I agree. However she isn't getting what I'm saying which is looking at the whole thing in a scientific way which takes form of our unconscious and conscience thoughts as well as assumed b the dumb guys actions meaning if a few guys do it than all men are pigs notion that are society has strict rules favoring women that they deny. So i see everything is connected and Mermaid and many users are so ethically zealous they think I'm evil or something. and there just and I'm horrendous. I'm sorry i didn't see the spoiler but those are one of the comments posted on the link, and it isn't fair to say all men do this because its taken by perceptive and the fact most women's emotions are illogical. Like say for example the guy is looking at some girl but is really staring off in space. The thing that pissed me off is when Shiranu said I'm ashamed of having a dick, it made me feel we need someone to say i'm proud that i have a dick and these guys really dont or something and such as such.
I think I get a sense of where you are coming from. I'd like to make a couple of points from your points. I agree with you totally, that not all men are pigs. But I think Mermaid said that as well. When you say "which takes form of our unconscious and conscience thoughts", that is getting close to saying that men have strong biological drives, both physically and mentally, that are hard, if not impossible to control. I hear that and being male, I know how strong my urges can be--but that does not give me an excuse to ever harass or prey on any female--including my wife. I do have control, and it is up to me to use that control.
You also say, "and the fact most women's emotions are illogical." Okay, this is WW III stuff here. :) Women's emotions are no more illogical than mens; and no more logical. Different? Sure, I can buy that. And for that reason a person needs to be aware of what and how they say things to each other. Clearly men and women are wired differently. I kind of like that. That's why I regard my teaming up with my wife to be beneficial to both of use. Two views of the same subject or idea. That is almost always valuable. We are a partnership because we bring different views and talents to the table. All too often I have heard men say that women don't often really know what they want, so they will just give it to them until they realize they like it. That is not really acceptable, but all too often, the reality of the situation.
You said--" The thing that pissed me off is when Shiranu said I'm ashamed of having a dick, it made me feel we need someone to say i'm proud that i have a dick and these guys really dont or something and such as such." Okay, I see that you want to champion the men's side of this issue. But I feel as Shiranu, at times I'm ashamed that I have a dick too. Where do you think the term "be be such a dick" comes from? Men too often are bulls in a china shop, taking what they need (all too often a want is transformed into a need, which is something they have no control over) no matter what the female may say about it. ' After all she really doesn't know what she wants anyway.'
And yes, you did mention that you had not read the 'spoiler'. But if you want to get into a deep (or meaningful) discussion about a subject, you need to read what is being discussed. Too often zians don't do that and simply tell you what they believe without really knowing what is being discussed. I saw you as going off 'half cocked', as it were, and you and Mermaid ended up talking past each other, and not at each other. I lay most of that on your doorstep for trying to fill in the blanks without going to the trouble of reading the subject being discussed.
One of the things a good board has is a large number of different points of view. That can lead to new and different ways of looking at old (or new) subjects. But in order for those points of view to be meaningful means that they be informed. If one is not informed about something it is impossible to have a decent discussion about it.
Why do I get the feeling that Draconic Aiur will start paying attention to the discussion now that Mike Cl, a male, has reiterated much of the same things the female members of the forum have discussed?
I understand this topic can be rather touchy, but not for the reasons some may assume. Yes, men and women have different biological features, but these are not enough to overcome the fact that we both have intellectual minds, emotions, and sexual desire. Both men and women have much to offer for the progress of mankind - many of which extend well beyond our rudimentary biological functions. It is understood that both men and women take issue with how the other has treated them, and both have their own difficulties tempering their biological drives for the sake of adapting to civil society.
This is not a competition between the sexes to see who has it worst or who displays the best behaviours in society. Rather, this is an issue between one group of human individuals and another. A society will have to learn how to moderate our expression of sexual desire between individuals and set the boundaries of what is acceptable and what is not. It does not matter what gender or sexual orientation of the individual, we are striving for equality which applies to all.
Quote from: Aletheia on April 13, 2015, 04:49:49 PMWhy do I get the feeling that Draconic Aiur will start paying attention to the discussion now that Mike Cl, a male, has reiterated much of the same things the female members of the forum have discussed?
Because wimminfolk's opinions count less, of course.
I agree with you Mike Cl and also you Aletheia. in the ethical way these men and that act like this need to be punished and we need to stop this at early stages by understand the biological senses of humans. But to do this it be like the giver World where men and womens urges are cancelled and only a select few can mate. So if there was law wize a plan we can make to stop all this depressing shit without negativly blocking the sex drive of everyone out there and also find out y these men do such a thing.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2015, 05:13:53 PM
I agree with you Mike Cl and also you Aletheia. in the ethical way these men and that act like this need to be punished and we need to stop this at early stages by understand the biological senses of humans. But to do this it be like the giver World where men and womens urges are cancelled and only a select few can mate. So if there was law wize a plan we can make to stop all this depressing shit without negativly blocking the sex drive of everyone out there and also find out y these men do such a thing.
Nah. No need to be melodramatic. Nobody (other than bat-shit insane religious people) want sexual desire to be repressed. We are sexual creatures - it permeates so many facets of our lives. Rather, we need to compromise on what is an appropriate way in which to express this sexual desire. Obviously, we need some way to communicate to others that we find them attractive and desire sex. Sexual jokes are among the easiest and most delightfully perverted jokes. Much like working environments and other public places, there are agreed "neutral" manners and behaviour. Sexual expression can be tailored to be mentioned without being uncomfortably vulgar and offers of sexual advances can be declined without fear of repercussion.
I think it's fair to say that's what women want. No castration of men, no all-encompassing suppression of sexual desire, or a tricky game in which whatever you say can be considered a weapon. Just a less intrusive and more neutral way of sexual expression that doesn't infringe on a person's rights. This can be accomplished by self-discipline and discovering safer avenues of conveying these needs and desires.
Men aren't the only ones with strong libidos. I can't speak for all women, but my own libido is quite high and I think about sex hundreds of times a day. There are times when I lose myself to some fantasy involving someone I've just seen, but at some point I have to shut down this imagery and shut down my sexual desire. It's frustrating, but when you're at work you have to adjust. Sometimes it puts me in a bit of a pissy mood, yet such is life. When I get home, I can take my sexual frustrations out on my boyfriend or look up female porn on the internet.
I would never say anything about all men being bad and sex drive being wrong. You are blaming me for saying a lot of things I never said. Especially that all men are pigs and looking at women in a sexual way is wrong. I NEVER said that and I WOULD NOT say that.
MY ONLY POINT, AND I WILL PUT THIS IN ALL CAPS SO MAYBE YOU WILL READ IT: APPROACHING A CHILD SEXUALLY EVEN IF YOU DO NOT TOUCH HER HURTS THE CHILD. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINK IT DOES.
By the way, I never said anything about you being evil, either. I think you are filling in gaps and blaming me? Don't take out your frustrations on me please.
Drac. You better cut it out. You are pissing a lot of people off with your stubbornly ignorant comments, including me.
Oh? And your getting angry because what I say seems horrible to you while I'm trying to stay calm and collected and discuss the natures of stuff which drives mermaid mad because the subject is something to get mad at. pickled your too protective of things.
Ignorant? LOL. I'm going deeper in the subject.
Joining in late to this discussion, just want to add my two cent to it. While being gay I've never been in a position like the women in those posts, i've also never had any sense of desire in me that seems to be a problem with these men in question, that of having a sexual thrill with youth to the point they see having sex with children their only greatest thrill. I've, sadly, even seen this reflected in yaoi art boards of people sexualizing young male characters in the same way.
For me there isn't anything that could turn off any sexual aspect more then the idea of children coming under that kind of assault. However, this debate got me thinking more at length with the problems we read about coming from countries like islam with underage marriages and full grown men wanting to marry and have sex with girls as young as 8-9. There is this animal aspect to the human mind that for many people across the planet that hasn't evolved past that primitive state where morality is the standard for protecting children, and all they care about is their base desire being satisfied.
I've not sure if the workings of this comes from an abusive childhood, because its taught that its acceptable, or if it isn't something psychological that develops in the mind of men (and woman) that its ok to have sex with children because they think it is. Unfortunately, such a thing will always be hard to recognize, and even if its taught as a bad thing to kids in schools, theres no way of knowing if they won't still grow up with that mentality.
Obviously this isn't something that should ever be accepted, but i've often thought it is something that should be brought into study, looking at societies as a whole in their beliefs on it, why they thought it was okay to have sex with children, and maybe from that, in time, develop better means of combating such a disgusting way of thinking.
Just for the record though of course I'm not saying this is exclusively a male only thing, as there are so many cases of women doing the same thing to young boys, maybe not as many as men to young girls, but it does happen.
Quote from: Mermaid on April 13, 2015, 05:42:58 PM
MY ONLY POINT, AND I WILL PUT THIS IN ALL CAPS SO MAYBE YOU WILL READ IT: APPROACHING A CHILD SEXUALLY EVEN IF YOU DO NOT TOUCH HER HURTS THE CHILD. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINK IT DOES.
You know I'm certain I've seen creepypastas written with that in mind, to a child, a stranger coming at them is terrifying enough.. but regardless just the matter that an adult would do that and have that in mind is what needs to be combated.
Its just a curious thing, why does this exist in the human mind even today, millions of years past our evolution from bonobos
Quote from: Munch on April 13, 2015, 06:48:24 PM
You know I'm certain I've seen creepypastas written with that in mind, to a child, a stranger coming at them is terrifying enough.. but regardless just the matter that an adult would do that and have that in mind is what needs to be combated.
Its just a curious thing, why does this exist in the human mind even today, millions of years past our evolution from bonobos
Creepypastas? I don't know that word, but I sure like it.
Quote from: Mermaid on April 13, 2015, 06:53:44 PM
Creepypastas? I don't know that word, but I sure like it.
its basically the term used for internet ghost and horror stories, written and usually narrated on youtube and other sites.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2015, 06:05:46 PM
Oh? And your getting angry because what I say seems horrible to you while I'm trying to stay calm and collected and discuss the natures of stuff which drives mermaid mad because the subject is something to get mad at. pickled your too protective of things.
Ignorant? LOL. I'm going deeper in the subject.
Drac, You seem to not understand why people are so angry with you, and despite them telling you, you're assuming it's them simply whining over something stupid.
Stop digging yourself a hole before it's even more above your head.
Yeah I don't quite get what your saying drac, you saying you think its an acceptable premise for those with a perverted mind to go after children because its their nature, because.. nah I'm certain you didn't mean it like that surely?
This issue has two main components, as I see it, biological sexual urges and power and control. Rape, for example, is not really much about sex, but about power and control. Unfortunately in our society religion has assured the males that they are in charge because god made it so. The big three religions reinforce that as well. This has created a large uphill battle for true equality for women. I don't really see this changing much until the big three religions start losing influence. However, I like to think that a 'real' man can control his urges.
yeah, that is a matter a fact about it, especially when it comes to religion, sex = control. When you look into past studies, someone like Genghis Khan had several thousand women he slept with, as his want to dominate over everything, he did so with every woman he could.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 13, 2015, 07:10:22 PM
Drac, You seem to not understand why people are so angry with you, and despite them telling you, you're assuming it's them simply whining over something stupid.
Stop digging yourself a hole before it's even more above your head.
So why are people angry at me? I'm sorry cannot read your brains.
Quote from: Munch on April 13, 2015, 07:16:19 PM
Yeah I don't quite get what your saying drac, you saying you think its an acceptable premise for those with a perverted mind to go after children because its their nature, because.. nah I'm certain you didn't mean it like that surely?
If we were just simple beats yes.... oh now I see it's the programmed socital thinking that were not animals or beasts we are "civil" so we try to act above animals and that's why everyones angry because i said were fucking animals and its natural because our ancestors did it with no problems and because were animals our tribal alligator brain and our ego says no we are seperate and based on history and experiments proves that young girls are under devolped until young adulthood.
So to put it in english peeps think very angry like because I said its natural to look and talk to girls sexually which hurts their ego.
I think I see what your saying, as I addressed it before, if we simply look back in time at primitive man, even looking to the middle east in how some of them act as examples of the past, it is something that, as disgusting as it is, it is something that has occurred though human culture and society as far back as can be traced.
Of course it isn't an acceptable premise just because our primitive ancestors did it, and we do now live in a time of moral standards based on empathy for our own kind, looking from the view of a child how they would feel being raped by an adult is one of the most damaging things a child can endure.
Children before they develop have never wanted to have sex, because there isn't anything in there hormones then telling them they want it, and adults wanting to have sex with children is just a fucked up mentality, one I wish had more study into why they consider this an acceptable norm.
Applause.
Do you wonder why our society is so utterly fucked up?
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRg4sj9XKra3zdymt-DNVgyDW0yJa-buRvhbErkg6PVT8Bl2a0K1jYqpKVP)
Small children dressed like mini-hookers and paraded around and 'adored'...
Draconic, try looking at this issue through the eyes of your daughter (or daughter to be) and what advice you would give her about this. A whole new world opens up when you try to guide a daughter through our society. Try watching a little TV with the eyes of a 5 yr. old girl; a 10yr old girl and a 14 year old girl. What messages do you think you would be receiving? What shows would you not allow her to watch and which would you let he watch if you watched it with her? And I have no idea what I'd do now with social media. I don't envy parents dealing with that whole issue.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2015, 07:26:09 PM
So why are people angry at me? I'm sorry cannot read your brains.
Here is a couple of the things people told you what is bothering them:
From MikeCl:
QuoteNo. She means to say you are coming across as a zian fundamental zealot who does not listen to or even consider reason in a discussion.
From Mermaid:
QuoteI would never say anything about all men being bad and sex drive being wrong. You are blaming me for saying a lot of things I never said. Especially that all men are pigs and looking at women in a sexual way is wrong. I NEVER said that and I WOULD NOT say that.
MY ONLY POINT, AND I WILL PUT THIS IN ALL CAPS SO MAYBE YOU WILL READ IT: APPROACHING A CHILD SEXUALLY EVEN IF YOU DO NOT TOUCH HER HURTS THE CHILD. EVEN IF YOU DO NOT THINK IT DOES.
By the way, I never said anything about you being evil, either. I think you are filling in gaps and blaming me? Don't take out your frustrations on me please.
All I am asking is for you to not dig a bigger hole for yourself than you already have. Try not putting words in people's mouths and instead actually reading and possibly even considering what they have to say.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on April 13, 2015, 07:49:55 PM
Do you wonder why our society is so utterly fucked up?
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRg4sj9XKra3zdymt-DNVgyDW0yJa-buRvhbErkg6PVT8Bl2a0K1jYqpKVP)
Small children dressed like mini-hookers and paraded around and 'adored'...
The great fact of the matter is, I think just about everyone here has either been brought up in a more moral way of thinking by those around us, or we developed that moral centre ourselves, to know when we see children sexualized that its not an acceptable standard, in the same way we can now tell beheading is a violent and disgusting act.
Sadly though, going back just a couple of hundred years, our ancestors would gather to places to see people get beheaded for amusement.
I consider it a great development, to understand moral standards in protecting children from rapist, recognizing corruption in government and other organizations, understanding what is a human right worth standing up for, and knowing all this without a fictional deity telling us its what we need to accept and work towards.
I have never needed some outside influence telling me raping children is bad, I simple know its a sick thing to do. I just wish I knew why so many other people in the world don't know that just from instinct
Quote from: Mike Cl on April 13, 2015, 07:51:54 PM
Draconic, try looking at this issue through the eyes of your daughter (or daughter to be) and what advice you would give her about this. A whole new world opens up when you try to guide a daughter through our society. Try watching a little TV with the eyes of a 5 yr. old girl; a 10yr old girl and a 14 year old girl. What messages do you think you would be receiving? What shows would you not allow her to watch and which would you let he watch if you watched it with her? And I have no idea what I'd do now with social media. I don't envy parents dealing with that whole issue.
This is exactly what I mean. When we can put ourselves in the shoes our children, casting ourselves back to when we were kids even, we get a better understanding of what matters, how children engage in things, how they take in information.
It often surprises me when I hear the things coming from my 6 year old nephew when he's talking to me about the planets and solar system (my brothers raising him as the perfect little non-theist *wipes tears away*)
Like it or not our society and every society puts a premium on beauty, youth and sexuality.. The reason is an evolutionary trait..procreation.. Of course the media and retailers capitalize on this and both men and women respond and retailers of fashion know that they have to continually sell to the younger audience. If you sell bikinis you'll go out of business pretty quick if your target consumers are 1950s teenage girls forever.. Those girls are now in their 60s and 70s.. Not to many 60 and 70 year old women are buying two piece bikinis..
We live in the world we have not the world we wish we had.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 13, 2015, 07:52:48 PM
Here is a couple of the things people told you what is bothering them:
From MikeCl:
From Mermaid:
All I am asking is for you to not dig a bigger hole for yourself than you already have. Try not putting words in people's mouths and instead actually reading and possibly even considering what they have to say.
Well sorry for putting other words in peoples mouths and sorry for not considering what they have to say. However you didnt try to consider what i said you just said "this is coming from the guy who wants to fuck his relatives" and saying i'm wrong for thinking its natural.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2015, 08:10:05 PM
Well sorry for putting other words in peoples mouths and sorry for not considering what they have to say. However you didnt try to consider what i said you just said "this is coming from the guy who wants to fuck his relatives" and saying i'm wrong for thinking its natural.
There you go again... Putting words in people's mouths. I never said anything about how natural or unnatural it was in this thread.
I was clear when you confronted me about my
QuoteIf you remember, this is the same guy that wants to have sex with his relatives...
quote that I was simply reminding mermaid who it was coming from because if you look at it in perspective to the things you have chose to reveal to us, it really isn't that surprising, even if people don't agree with it.
If I can even attempt to make that even more clear, it was more of just a "heads up" to mermaid, rather than a bashing on you.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2015, 08:10:05 PM
Well sorry for putting other words in peoples mouths and sorry for not considering what they have to say. However you didnt try to consider what i said you just said "this is coming from the guy who wants to fuck his relatives" and saying i'm wrong for thinking its natural.
Well Draconic, as long as we're putting things in perspective, let me put things in perspective for you:
In the past few weeks you have told us that you want to fuck your relatives and that you have no problem with men stalking and sexually harassing women. What conclusion, pray tell, am I supposed to draw from that? Besides the obvious, I mean.
This thread is great.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on April 13, 2015, 09:28:26 PM
Well Draconic, as long as we're putting things in perspective, let me put things in perspective for you:
In the past few weeks you have told us that you want to fuck your relatives and that you have no problem with men stalking and sexually harassing women. What conclusion, pray tell, am I supposed to draw from that? Besides the obvious, I mean.
This. This exactly.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on April 13, 2015, 09:28:26 PM
Well Draconic, as long as we're putting things in perspective, let me put things in perspective for you:
In the past few weeks you have told us that you want to fuck your relatives and that you have no problem with men stalking and sexually harassing women. What conclusion, pray tell, am I supposed to draw from that? Besides the obvious, I mean.
Ah but I didnt say "I have no problem with it" I only said it was natural to look at girls at a sexual way. not stalking them or fondling them. Why don't you read my posts.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 13, 2015, 08:54:51 PM
There you go again... Putting words in people's mouths.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on April 13, 2015, 09:28:26 PM
Well Draconic, as long as we're putting things in perspective, let me put things in perspective for you:
In the past few weeks you have told us that you want to fuck your relatives and that you have no problem with men stalking and sexually harassing women. What conclusion, pray tell, am I supposed to draw from that? Besides the obvious, I mean.
Assumptions people have about me tend to act negatively because I think outside the norm. Up head we see that I'm being look down upon with distaste and ignorance because rather then say oh how depressing in this thread I scientifically dissected it.
Due to religion people have put in 2 sides one evil another good, which is ethics. nowadays If a man stalked and srxually made a move on a little girl it seem evil and to not do so and furthermore say its horrible is good no?
I think differently from NORMAL people while my heart says its horrible, I understand the notion and wonder why and research why is it and come to an explanation that while we are beast our minds are enlightened than any other animal and as humans we are more civil or try to be anyway.
It's still great.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2015, 10:03:41 PM
I understand the notion and wonder why and research why is it and come to an explanation that while we are beast our minds are enlightened than any other animal and as humans we are more civil or try to be anyway.
You reminded me to post a couple of songs about the subject.
You love to break rules...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeVhHLggZ5U
...yet you can't live without them...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfkn9FvjH90
...Come, let's go insane.
(Read the lyrics for meaning of the nonsense.)
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2015, 03:02:54 PM
However she isn't getting what I'm saying which is looking at the whole thing in a scientific way
This right here? This is some funny shit right here. Hilarious. You have no fucking idea. Douche.
Notice I haven't been trying to insult anyone with a potty mouth or by any means of negativity
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 13, 2015, 10:43:30 PM
Notice I haven't been trying to insult anyone with a potty mouth or by any means of negativity
Yeah you're right, I shouldn't be insulting you. That was probably wrong of me. Apologies.
What I should be doing is thanking you. That quote I posted above made my week. Seriously. My week. Made. Thank you.
Draconic Aiur, people often use the term "that's natural" as a way of approving something. Those apples are 100% natural which means they are good. John helped Jim, well that's natural for a person to want to help another person. That old man is staring at that 13 year old girl's ass and trying to hide his erection - well, that's natural.
We already know that it's "natural" for some people to be rapists, paedophiles, or have violent tendencies. Nobody is doubting that it is perfectly natural for a rapist to rape or for a paedophile to want to fuck young children. This discussion has no need or desire to reiterate the "natural" aspects of our species that do not serve humanity well in advanced societies. Human beings evolved sophisticated brains because the modifications to our genes was not fast enough to alter our behaviour when environmental conditions changed.
Yes, it is very possible that our primate ancestors routinely raped females and went after the very young. Somewhere along the way, our ancestors altered their behaviour when cooperation between the sexes was deemed necessary for survival. Looking back on our evolution, it's easy to see that nature had modified a handful of genes that encouraged rapid development of the brain in a very short amount of time evolutionarily speaking. Human beings have cycled through so many cultures -- so many behaviours, as we wrestled with a way to get along with one another. Our intellectual minds knew cooperation was key to our survival and knew this cooperation would come at the cost of taming our primitive instincts which have yet to dissipate.
The minds we have now are not the same minds of our primitive ancestors. We are more inclined to seek cooperation because we've learned that mutual happiness happens when everyone has a vested mutual interest. Those who would violate our freedoms can cause significant damage to our psyches. When you look at PTSD via an MRI, you can see the physical alterations to the brain as it tried to cope with something the brain clearly was not designed to handle. Other societies which encourage more "natural" violent and subjugating instincts are not a happy or prosperous societies. As more people take an interest in the mental health of those from such cultures, the tell-tale signs of PTSD are everywhere.
I've learned first hand the difference between vague instincts from creatures we are distantly related to and the mental trauma that can be caused by implementation of instincts no longer beneficial to our species. Yes, children develop their sexuality in slow ways, but do not truly desire sex until early to mid teens. There is self-discovery and curiosity, without a coherent desire to mate. Men or women who look upon such children as sexual beings and potential sexual partners are not looking at a sexually mature individual. Therein lies the problem. A sexually immature individual can suffer physical trauma to their mental development when treated as sexually mature individuals.
I know, I've seen my own brain scans and can verify the tell-tale signs of mental trauma from several years of being treated like a sexually mature individual when I was not. These scars do not die with the initial victim and can be carried over to the subsequent generation via epigenetics. So, yes, it causes harm and is not beneficial.
A few of our instincts are vestigial. Our brains have simply outpaced them.
I like what your saying Stromb, and to discover the problem you look at why are these assholes looking at females in this way. It could be anything psychological or social like for instance a man starts raping a 13 year old girl because their easier than woman. I don't know. Genetics maybe.
Speaking of social tho, females have more power than men in that if they wanted to they could be ordered/pretend and get a innocent guy in jail for sexual harassment. It has been done before my friend has been labeled a child predator because his ex made her little sister pretend she was violated.
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on April 17, 2015, 01:40:14 PM
Speaking of social tho, females have more power than men in that if they wanted to they could be ordered/pretend and get a innocent guy in jail for sexual harassment. It has been done before my friend has been labeled a child predator because his ex made her little sister pretend she was violated.
Both men and women have power, and both can violate the rights of innocent people. Men get more of a reputation because they are obviously larger - so their sense of power is readily known. Women are usually smaller and more diminutive in appearance, and therefore are considered less of a threat - despite the fact that women can have as keen of a mind as any man and be just as self-serving.
My condolences to your friend, I've know a few men who were ensnared in molestation/rape allegations that never happened. In these cases, women had the unfair advantage. I've also known a few women who were genuinely molested/raped, but could never convince a jury. In these cases, the men had the unfair advantage. There is an injustice here - innocent people suffering due to the manipulation of others. I hope to live long enough to see the petty differences of the genders set aside in our pursuit of equality and greater focus on the individual.
We can only hope
Yes, this is somehow depressing but at the same time pretty funny, I'm sorry but I couldn't avoid it:
Ten paragraph: "Serae"
QuoteMy mom noticed me on the phone and asked who I would even be calling (the phone as basically to call her and only her). I told her that the guy that sold us the phone was trying to get a date with me. She grabbed the phone and yelled into it, "She's 10 years old and you should be ashamed! If you ever call again I'll go to the police." He got off the phone quickly.
I looked at my mom and said, "But...I'm 12?"
"He needs to feel the additional shame of being a pig."
ROFL OMG that really cracked me up! :rotflmao:
Well I'm male, but I do have a little story too.
When I was 12, one day I was in the men's bathroom, and one middle aged man was trying to watch me peeing, he was really creepy. :eek:
He was not the last that I would encounter, although there haven't been a lot of incidents like that fortunately. :lol:
Quote from: Rob4you on April 28, 2015, 05:03:24 AM
Well I'm male, but I do have a little story too.
When I was 12, one day I was in the men's bathroom, and one middle aged man was trying to watch me peeing, he was really creepy. :eek:
He was not the last that I would encounter, although there haven't been a lot of incidents like that fortunately. :lol:
Its alright, he probably wasn't interested in your tallywacker, he was just admiring the chrome work on the urinal.
Happens to me every so often; the first time when I was about 11. Yes, creepy. There's a reason we have "urinal etiquette".
When did I first notice men were looking at me in a sexual way?
I was eightteen and on my way to my senior prom. The cool thing was that it was on motherfucking boat. The 'Jan Plezier II' if I remember correctly. It would allow us to party and dance all night long going up and down the 'Schelde' in my hometown of Antwerp.
It so happened that my prom was on the same day as our local equivalent of a gay pride parade. Our version is called: NaviGAYtion. What this entails is that in the port-city of antwerp you'll find the harbor flooded with the LGBT community and those in favor of equal rights. You'll have a parade, festivities, parties, dancing on the street. Men and women in drag and costumes like sailors and whatever. Very festive, though kind of confusing as I had no idea it was on the same day. I arrived in a giant crowd of men wearing bright colours or hardly wearing anything at all. I was the only person in sight in a black blazer, dark long pants, a colored shirt and tidy shoes. And as I desperately made my way through the crowd, looking for my boat; I felt panic rise. I was late and couldn't find my own party boat amongst the many docked; having the same plan of going up and down the Schelde.
Right before one of my friends answered my text and helped me find my way a genuine truckload (as in driven in an open-roofed truck) of 'sailors' stopped right next to me.
One of them pointed out: "Oh, ziet die knappe jongen in zijn pak." (Translation: Oh, look at that handsome guy in his suit.") And whistled.
At the time I felt distressed. But later I realized it was more the situation of not finding my boat that had me frightened. I actually took the compliment when I was finally on my boat and prized myself on looking good enough to be noticed.
It was a fun night and I got shitfaced.