https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sza5NfKBMuI
none of the videos posted in this thread are made by me.
Dude, are you actually in North Korea?
does it matter?
a lot of rhetoric about "believing lies" or something, didn't really pay attention to most of it, sorry. N. Korea leadership is a basket case, and trying to defend that, IMO, is commendable, but not for the reasons you would think I mean.
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 21, 2015, 02:11:34 AM
sorry. N. Korea leadership is a basket case
says who? the media? the UN? that's a logical fallacy... appeal to authority...
Quote from: mainethinker on January 21, 2015, 02:30:40 AM
says who? the media? the UN? that's a logical fallacy... appeal to authority...
Fallacy fallacy. Where do I point to an authority of N. Korea being a basket case? That's merely a stated opinion.
If you want to know why I think they're a basket case, well, the escaped convict from their prison camps; particuarly the famous Shin Dong-hyuk from camp 14, gives a colourful view of how the hermit Stalinist regime is ordered. Not my only source though, a BBC documentary with Lyse Doucet comes to mind where they were paraded around the country under strict guard and visiting bountiful harvest of the citizens and quickly passing the devoid countryside.
Really, anyone defending N. Korea's leadership should check their own facts before teaching others about the glorious N. Korea Communist regime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUtY7tMiozM
http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/18/asia/north-korea-defector-changes-story/
North Korean prison camp survivor admits inaccuracies, author says
(CNN)Shin Dong-hyuk's horrific descriptions of his time in a North Korean prison camp became a best-selling book, made him a key witness before the United Nations and grabbed headlines around the world.
He was one of the most high-profile North Korean defectors, winning several human rights awards and inspiring a documentary as his memoir was translated into 27 languages.
Now the publisher of the book and its author say Shin -- who claims to have been born in and escaped from a North Korean prison camp -- has revealed that parts of the story he told weren't true. Shin may have spent most of his life in North Korea at a different prison camp, rather than the total control zone that formed the title of his biography.
Shin's accounts of his time in the gulag have been widely reported in interviews with media including CNN. He also wrote an opinion piece describing his experiences for CNN Digital.
Don't discount N. Korean stories after defector's recanting, advocates say
Blaine Harden, author of the book "Escape from Camp 14," said in a statement on his website over the weekend that Shin had changed "key parts of his story."
"On Friday, Jan. 16, I learned that Shin Dong-hyuk, the North Korean prison camp survivor who is the subject of 'Escape from Camp 14,' had told friends an account of his life that differed substantially from my book," Harden said. "I contacted Shin, pressing him to detail the changes and explain why he had misled me."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P82aad8QQW4
Quote from: mainethinker on January 21, 2015, 05:40:54 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P82aad8QQW4
So far all I've seen is uncorroborated eye witness evidence. It's isn't a far stretch of the imagination this is Stasi-level propaganda by the N. Korean regime. I wouldn't take anything said by people under duress at face value. But once, if ever, N. Korea ever opens up its borders (why is that, you might wonder ...?) and let's WHO and other inspectors to survey the country that we'll really know anything. Until such time, this is just stupid character assassination.
The question is, mainthethinker, would you want to live there?
I really think you need to ditch the suit for a Dr. Evil type uniform. And maybe a cat.
Quote from: pr126 on January 21, 2015, 08:52:13 AM
The question is, mainthethinker, would you want to live there?
His profile says he is. But, I seriously doubt North Korea would let anyone post on youtube.
I want to watch the videos for the lawlz, but I have money to make and university to attend. Ah well...
i feel sad today.. i am low on cash.. i could ride the bus to the beach tomorrow but its too cold to go swimming.
its like 11:30 PM.
i am going to bed.
(http://i.imgur.com/wd8AZnn.jpg)
this photo is mine
mainethinker, thanks for the information! How can I know who is telling the truth, and it's not just propaganda from either side? Solitary
The truth of the matter is that in all reality there's no way of actually knowing the truth about anything that's why we must remain skeptical of everything not just religion but politics, and scientific theory and news we can't just cherry pick what were skeptical about that would make us just as bad as the rest of them
But when it comes to North Korea the best resource is kcna.kp that's their official news site its actually really hosted in North Korea which makes it a target for cyber attacks right now its down somebody must be attacking it with a denial of service attack
Quote from: mainethinker on January 21, 2015, 12:57:54 PM
The truth of the matter is that in all reality there's no way of actually knowing the truth about anything that's why we must remain skeptical of everything not just religion but politics, and scientific theory and news we can't just cherry pick what were skeptical about that would make us just as bad as the rest of them
I agree, but we shouldn't think we are correct in believing in any source of information that is emotionally loaded, like religion or politics. And the news can be biased also. At least most science is based on facts, not just opinion. I do think when cosmologists and other scientists say the universe came out of nothing, they are being ridiculous and biased by the idea of Creation. Solitary
One more thing North Korea is not a communist state its socialist which is kind of the middle ground socialism is like communism light and socialism isn't really a bad thing in fact America is kind of heading towards socialism state with socialized healthcare and Canada has a healthcare system that is kind of socialist..
Quote from: Solitary on January 21, 2015, 01:14:09 PM
I agree, but we shouldn't think we are correct in believing in any source of information that is emotionally loaded, like religion or politics. And the news can be biased also. At least most science is based on facts, not just opinion. I do think when cosmologists and other scientists say the universe came out of nothing, they are being ridiculous and biased by the idea of Creation. Solitary
Well what I meant by be skeptical of scientific theory I meant like stuff that is theoretical like certain types of theoretical physics and so on I'm not talking about like chemical reactions and stuff like that
I personally believe in Democratic Socialism. There has to be in place a way to keep socialism from becoming a dictatorship, and or democracy from becoming a fascist regime though, or an oligarchy like it seems to be now in the USA with money and Christianity calling the shots. How is North Korea not a dictatorship? Solitary
There are elections in North Korea. Not for the position of supreme Field Marshal but for the lower positions in the government like the local provinces and so on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOAk9P1KFlU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8I4eju60Ug
So it is a dictator form of government with elections for those that support the dictator---right? Solitary
No.
The short guy in the middle is North Korean. They deliberately send the short ones so we will be fooled into thinking the whole country isn't suffering from malnutrition.
(http://i.imgur.com/ULTPXWy.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_defectors#South_Korea
QuoteMore than 26,000 people have escaped left North Korea for South Korea since the 50's
South Korea's Ministry of Unification is a government organization that is in charge of preparing for a future reunification between North and South Korea. It is responsible for North-South relations including economic trade, diplomacy, and communication, and education of reunification, which involves spreading awareness in schools and among the public sphere. The Ministry of Unification is thus the main organization that manages North Korean defectors in South Korean territory by establishing admission processes and resettlement policies. It also has regional sub-organs called Hana Center within the ministry that helps defectors in their day-to-day life for a more smooth transition into the South Korean society.[40] The number of defectors since the 1950-1953 Korean War is more than 26,000.[11]
And China
QuoteAs of 2012 there were an estimated 200,000 North Koreans hiding in China.[14] making them the largest population outside of North Korea. These refugees are not typically considered to be members of the ethnic Korean community, and the Chinese census does not count them as such. Some North Korean refugees who are unable to obtain transport to South Korea marry ethnic Koreans in China and settle there; they blend into the community but are subject to deportation if discovered by the authorities. Those who have found 'escape brokers', try to enter the South Korean consulate in Shenyang. In recent years, the Chinese government has tightened the security and increased the number of police outside the consulate.
Must've been brainwashed by the West's media. Oh wait, the West's media is censored.
I might point out that people do not
escape leave a country that is a veritable utopia. You don't for example, see people sneaking into Mexico from the US.
Prison camps in North Korea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisons_in_North_Korea
QuoteThe internment camps for people accused of political offences or denounced as politically unreliable are run by the State Security Department. Political prisoners are subject to guilt by association punishment. They are deported with parents, children and siblings, and sometimes even grandparents or grandchildren, without any lawsuit or conviction, and are detained for the rest of their lives.[17]
The internment camps are located in central and northeastern North Korea. They comprise many prison labour colonies in secluded mountain valleys, completely isolated from the outside world. The total number of prisoners is estimated to be 150,000 to 200,000.[18] Yodok camp and Bukchang camp are separated into two sections: One section for political prisoners in lifelong detention, another part similar to re-education camps with prisoners sentenced to long-term imprisonment with the vague hope of eventual release.
Oh yes, and Kim Jong whatsis, son of Kim Jong the other guy, was elected by a democratic vote. For like 2 generations. Now that is democracy.
Oh I forgot. Western propaganda.
In short, regardless of your videos, the preponderance of evidence is more than sufficient to consider North Korea a punitive police state. You are either the stupidest person to ever post on this forum or a total poe, which is the same thing.
There is elections for who leads the country but not for field marshal but who leads the country is also the field marshal it's very hard to explain and people have voted Kim Jong un I'm not even going to respond to this person above me cuz they're clearly pushing an agenda against me its funny how anyone who skeptical about a subject like this is suddenly accused of being either crazier or a so-called POE or troll or something... What happens is that people who live in North Korea know that they can commit crime and avoid the consequences of their crime by leaving the country and accusing the country of bad things because escaping justice by going to South Korea is next to impossible because the DMZ is very locked up. So they have to go to China but China is an ally of North Korea so they not only have to escape from North Korea they also have to avoid authorities in China and then escape from China and go to another country and tell whatever lies that they think will get them refugee status in whatever country they go to China deport people back to North Korea all the time. And the photo you posted at the top is very deceptive alright those two other men are like six feet tall the Asian man on the left is what they call a rock soldier google it they find the tallest men to stand like statues on the South Korean side of the DMZ to intimidate the North Korean soldiers and they also have very tall soldiers from the US to so my guess that the North Korean soldier in the center is probably about 5 feet tall.. There are prison camps the key word is prison you commit a crime you go to a prison camp now I know that America's idea of a prison is a little box where you sit in a room and get to watch cable TV and masturbate all day but another countries when you commit a crime you actually have to work back a long time ago in America prisoners actually used to do s*** like they used to go clean up trash and cut grass along the highway and stuff but not anymore because that seen as inhumane or whatever people seem to confuse prison camps with concentration camps there are NO concentration camps and there is plenty of food I can post videos showing fast places I can post a video showing pizza places hamburger place is hot dog places street vendors hot dog sales vendors candy production fishing do you know how much fish and other seafood is in the sea off of the Korean peninsula thousands of thousands and thousands of fish in fact those are the most heavily fish areas of that whole region all this stuff about feminine and stuff is from the 1990 s when there was a serious drought. Back in the nineties there is a really bad famine and trout and all kinds of other stuff. BBut it's not the f****** nineties anymore things have snapbacks since then
Also none of the videos I posted are mine I made that perfectly clear in the opening post but whatever
Try a little punctuation, it helps.
For the record I worked for the US Air force for 28 years. One of the people I worked with was a Master Sergeant with a Korean wife. She told us stories about Korea and the defectors from the North, some of whom she knew. You can easily tell who the defectors are because they are all smaller in stature than the South Koreans. That is from generational malnutrition. There are thousands of accounts of malnutrition, prison camps and horrific mistreatment of the people. Like I said, preponderance of evidence.
The government of North Korea is a dictatorship, period. Any voting done is a scam for western eyes. North Korea is a closed society. You don't have a closed society if there are good things to report. People don't defect from a utopian or even a healthy society. People from North Korea have defected to Pakistan- that is how bad it is.
Seriously, your shit is weak. go back to your basement, suck your thumb and cry on mommy's shoulder. This is a forum for intelligent people. You can't even punctuate a sentence. go away, you are annoying. And i'm done, idiot. I got better shit to do.
I highly question any country that has excessive travel restrictions on visitors and routinely denies the media access at all. It's like going to somebody's house and having them follow you all over the place including the bathroom... extreme paranoia. What are they scared of? Fear of interaction with people without North Korean indoctrination?
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/54246529.jpg)
First of all attacking someone's punctuation is a common tool to discredit someone. Anything that a defector says cannot be trusted doesn't matter that you your wife heard it from a defector detectors are either lieing by their own doing or been coached. There are thousands of accounts of people dying and seeing heaven but that's not proof that heaven is real. That malnutrition thing is complete bullshit there's plenty of food there there's plenty of food its like you didn't even read anything that I even set you just have a bias because a loved one of a coworker told you stuff that they say heard from people confirmation bias... The local elections are real the higher government elections are real and you have no way of proving that they're not so you're just appealing to a thority with that one and using circular logic Oh North Korea is bad why because we heard this about them so if we heard this about them then this other thing we heard about them must also be true. And I love that you use the common mothers basement comment to. That's another sign of just a sad unoriginal person keyboard warrior
Quote from: kilodelta on January 21, 2015, 06:13:33 PM
I highly question any country that has excessive travel restrictions on visitors and routinely denies the media access at all. It's like going to somebody's house and having them follow you all over the place including the bathroom... extreme paranoia. What are they scared of? Fear of interaction with people without North Korean indoctrination?
(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/54246529.jpg)
There are tour groups that go into North Korea but because North Korea's intelligence gathering is limited they don't have the capabilities of doing background checks on people so it be very easy for foreign governments to in bed intelligence agents into tour groups so they don't allow people to just roam around freely because they can commit acts of terrorism for sedition purposes also the reason why they don't allow media in is because quite often when they do which is rare the organization uses whatever footage they got in country to make propaganda against the country in fact there has been many people normal people who went on trips to North Korea who have had their videos and photos stolen from their social networking sites like Flickr and YouTube and whatnot and had it ended up becoming part of anti North Korean propaganda it's happened to me
Also I'm not a professional speaker or typist or whatever so if my points don't come across or if I seem weak sauce or whatever stupid Internet lingo you're going to use well then I am sorry....... sarcasm
The thing that really pisses me off is that I don't understand why people don't get that North Korea was just trying to stop its country from being occupied by foreign troops.
is that so hard to understand?
how about Japan what its like to be swarmed with foreign troops all over the place and not only that the hordes of nerdy Asian fetish men that flock to Japan, ask them what it's like to have their culture completely decimated.
Quotehow about Japan what its like to be swarmed with foreign troops all over the place and not only that the hordes of nerdy Asian fetish men that flock to Japan, ask them what it's like to have their culture completely decimated.
If you think Japanese culture has been completely decimated (especially by foreigners), I can see you know about as much about Japan as you do Korea.
Has been decimated it has been co-opted it has been repatriated it's no longer their own it belongs to the whole world now which is the destruction of it
Quote from: mainethinker on January 21, 2015, 10:01:27 PM
Has been decimated it has been co-opted it has been repatriated it's no longer their own it belongs to the whole world now which is the destruction of it
There hasn't been a "pure" civilized culture in a good...ever?
Even "Japanese culture" is misleading, as there is a huge difference between an Okinawan Japanese and the main four islands. And until about 100 years ago, those islands varied in culture as well, even within just a few hundred kilometers.
Then of course you have the fact that "Japanese culture" was heavily influenced by both Chinese, Korean and Indian cultures. To find "pure" Japanese culture you would have to go back to the very first inhabitants, but even then they came from other regions. Japanese language is linguistically related to Korean, their writing Chinese and one of their religions Indian (modern Shinto is heavily infused with Buddhism as well, so even then you would have to say that Chinese/Indians destroyed Japanese culture long before the West showed up.
Cultures borrow and cultures change, that is just the way of the world. Japan has done a very good job compared to many in terms of preserving their old ways while integrating the new. You can complain about that being "the destruction of their culture", but this is something that has been happening since there was a "group B" of humans... conflict and just simple cultural borrowing changes both Groups.
And personally, I will take modern Japan over the emperor-worship era Japan anyday.
Quote from: mainethinker on January 21, 2015, 01:03:31 PMBut when it comes to North Korea the best resource is kcna.kp that's their official news site
Usually I mock exactly this sort of (non)thinking, but I honestly don't think I could come up with a parody that's half as insane as the real deal.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 21, 2015, 10:18:24 PMCultures borrow and cultures change, that is just the way of the world. Japan has done a very good job compared to many in terms of preserving their old ways while integrating the new.
That's an understatement. Japan's a cultural powerhouse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_Japan).
Is multi-culturalism the ultimate evil now?
and Japanese culture being destroyed? Seems pretty damn poignant to me
Mainethinker, are you from the North Korean tourist board?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV7h6U4Nsow
Quote from: pr126 on January 22, 2015, 06:23:25 AM
Mainethinker, are you from the North Korean tourist board?
no
Quote from: mainethinker on January 22, 2015, 07:13:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV7h6U4Nsow
Speaking of hacking (and subsequently the Internet) why is it that N. Korea needs a country firewall giving no access to the open Internet, and replace it with a ridiculous intranet instead?
Quote from: mainethinker on January 21, 2015, 06:17:21 PM
First of all attacking someone's punctuation is a common tool to discredit someone. Anything that a defector says cannot be trusted doesn't matter that you your wife heard it from a defector detectors are either lieing by their own doing or been coached.
Yes, of course they've all lying and been coached. That's the
only explanation for why they're badmouthing North Korea. :rolleyes:
People don't flee utopias. Hell, they don't even flee countries with problems. The fact that they are here, residing in other countries as refugees from North Korea, telling these dark stories
at all, is an indicator of severe problems. Like malnutrition. Like political oppression.
For whatever reason, they don't want to go back. They would rather stay in other countries as refugees, with all the stigma and poverty and lack of citizen privileges that goes along with that, rather than return to North Korea. That says something, and it doesn't say good things.
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 22, 2015, 07:59:05 AM
Speaking of hacking (and subsequently the Internet) why is it that N. Korea needs a country firewall giving no access to the open Internet, and replace it with a ridiculous intranet instead?
The Internet in North Korea is a internal net to stop cyber terrorism and cyber brainwashing by outside forces to prevent cyber operate conditioning it's very easy to turn someone into an enemy agent just look what the KGB did to Lee Harvey Oswald... Lee Harvey Oswald was conditioned by outside forces of the United States namely the KGB to perform the assassination of John F Kennedy to get back at him for the Bay of Pigs incident and the military blockades of trade and the sanctions put against Cuba which are possibly being removed soon because the government of the United States realize that the Blockheads weren't going to work to pressure Cuba into allowing us interest into the country
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on January 22, 2015, 08:02:19 AM
Yes, of course they've all lying and been coached. That's the only explanation for why they're badmouthing North Korea. :rolleyes:
People don't flee utopias. Hell, they don't even flee countries with problems. The fact that they are here, residing in other countries as refugees from North Korea, telling these dark stories at all, is an indicator of severe problems. Like malnutrition. Like political oppression. For whatever reason, they don't want to go back. They would rather stay in other countries as refugees, with all the stigma and poverty and lack of citizen privileges that goes along with that, rather than return to North Korea. That says something, and it doesn't say good things.
Oh yeah because no one ever leaves Mexico to come to America nobody ever flees America to go to Canada. You realize that one of the North Korean defectors which there is a video about further back in this thread left North Korea because he molested a 13 year old girl right haha I mean that's no reason to flee a country right I mean its not like if he went back there he wouldn't be executed for being a sex criminal......
You know that there are criminal elements inside of North Korea who sneaked women out in the China for the sole purpose of selling them into sex prostitution sex trafficking or whatever you call it oh no that doesn't happen sarcasm big time
People of all nations do sex trafficking, no nation, except maybe a micronation, is without its share of corruption
Some are just more corrupt than others
QuoteOh yeah because no one ever leaves Mexico to come to America...
...do you know anything about anywhere?
Ya know guys I surprised that no one has posted this before:
(http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2014/05/figure8.3.png)
That dark spot, THATS N Korea. The country cant even power itself.
Quote from: Moralnihilist on January 22, 2015, 02:17:41 PM
Ya know guys I surprised that no one has posted this before:
(http://www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2014/05/figure8.3.png)
That dark spot, THATS N Korea. The country cant even power itself.
watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZUzjXNkynU
Its the same propaganda against the country over and over and over and over
Quote from: mainethinker on January 22, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Its the same propaganda against the country over and over and over and over
Exactly how are satellite images "propaganda"? They are simply pictures from space. Not propaganda, but actual evidence of the claim. N Korea is a shithole. And before you accuse me of playing against your country, Ive been there. A country with nothing to hide doesn't have gestapo like tails on visitors, nor do they limit what visitors can see or go.
The people I met there, the food(although I do suspect that I ate well above what the average citizen eats), and the country itself are amazing. The government HOWEVER, are doing their best to destroy any ability of the average citizenry to survive and thrive. And THAT is what makes the country a shithole.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 22, 2015, 12:03:16 PM
...do you know anything about anywhere?
You do know what sarcasm is, don't you?
Quote from: mainethinker on January 21, 2015, 06:21:57 PM
There are tour groups that go into North Korea but because North Korea's intelligence gathering is limited they don't have the capabilities of doing background checks on people so it be very easy for foreign governments to in bed intelligence agents into tour groups so they don't allow people to just roam around freely because they can commit acts of terrorism for sedition purposes also the reason why they don't allow media in is because quite often when they do which is rare the organization uses whatever footage they got in country to make propaganda against the country in fact there has been many people normal people who went on trips to North Korea who have had their videos and photos stolen from their social networking sites like Flickr and YouTube and whatnot and had it ended up becoming part of anti North Korean propaganda it's happened to me
Right. Fear.
Quote from: mainethinker on January 22, 2015, 11:56:54 AM
Oh yeah because no one ever leaves Mexico to come to America nobody ever flees America to go to Canada.
Mexico is a near basket case of a country on the levels that we think N. Korea is, thanks for proving my point. Further, while there are some who do flee to Canada to escape the law, they aren't
refugees, which are given protection against extradition. If the Canadians catch them, they're sent back here. Furthermore, it isn't to the tune of 200,000 people. The US has a much larger population than N. Korea, yet there are more N. Korean refugees than there are American expatriates. Again, this does not look like a utopia or even a country with normal problems.
Quote from: mainethinker on January 22, 2015, 11:56:54 AM
You realize that one of the North Korean defectors which there is a video about further back in this thread left North Korea because he molested a 13 year old girl right haha I mean that's no reason to flee a country right I mean its not like if he went back there he wouldn't be executed for being a sex criminal......
Yeah.
One, out of
200,000 people. You would
expect some of the refugees to be criminals with an expatriate population that large. Further, if we assume that they are
all lawbreakers as you're implying, then you prove my point for us.
And we don't execute sex criminals, true... but our prison population don't like child molesters. (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90004)
Quote
In prison, fellow inmates derisively call pedophiles "chesters," "tree jumpers" and "short eyes."
Prison can be a menacing place for child molesters like the former Roman Catholic priest John Geoghan, who was killed in his cell Saturday â€" or for other alleged pedophile priests working their way through the criminal justice system.
"If you take out a sex offender like this former priest in Massachusetts, maybe the person who took him out thought he'd make a name of himself," said Margot Bach, a spokeswoman for California Department of Corrections. "Taking [a pedophile] out would gain [the killer] a lot more respect among the other inmates."
In fact, Goeghan's accused killer, Joseph Druce, "looked upon Father Geoghan as a prize," and plotted his killing for a month, John Conte, district attorney for Worcester County, Mass., told reporters Monday.
Though prison officials in some Northeastern states question the idea of an automatic social hierarchy among prisoners based solely upon their offenses, most agree that if there is one, child molesters and informants â€" derided as "snitches" â€" occupy the lowest rungs.
Also, I appreciate the irony in your name.
This is worse than that 9/11 conspiracy theorist we had on here awhile back. I've got better things to do, really.
Quote from: stromboli on January 22, 2015, 10:29:58 PM
This is worse than that 9/11 conspiracy theorist we had on here awhile back. I've got better things to do, really.
I believe that 911 was a conspiracy, I believe that a group called the New World Order help orchestrate the act. The New World Order believe that the devil is real which I don't believe the devil is real. But the actions of people who believe that either God or the devil is real still affects people. And these people believe that God and the devil are real so they act out on their beliefs and we have to recognize that. Just because the devil and God are fiction does it mean that people who believe them to be real are not out doing things in their names.
So that's a fact we don't need to be skeptical of that.
There are people who are part of this new world order thing and there are people who believe that their part of the New World Order so the New World Order exist in the minds of these people because in their mind. So he creates a kind of a chicken and egg thing did the New World Order exist before these people got into their mind to help them or did it only exist after people started believing it that it existed
And globalism is a big part of this new world order thing and one of the reasons why wars occur is to spread globalization.
Korea was invaded buy a foreign enemy well more than one and all what happened was is that the DMZ was created and now North Korea just does not want foreign troops on their so loyal they are not willing to allow Americans rape and pillage their natural resources that's all this is about America wants something from them and they're not going to get it my guess is that they want to control the country economically by printing their money for them and charging them interest
Also North Korea has a lot of very large mountains that have a lot of rare earth minerals in them
Quote from: mainethinker on January 22, 2015, 11:54:04 AM
The Internet in North Korea is a internal net to stop cyber terrorism and cyber brainwashing by outside forces to prevent cyber operate conditioning it's very easy to turn someone into an enemy agent just look what the KGB did to Lee Harvey Oswald... Lee Harvey Oswald was conditioned by outside forces of the United States namely the KGB to perform the assassination of John F Kennedy to get back at him for the Bay of Pigs incident and the military blockades of trade and the sanctions put against Cuba which are possibly being removed soon because the government of the United States realize that the Blockheads weren't going to work to pressure Cuba into allowing us interest into the country
(emphasis mine)
How painfully ironic. You're a Poe, you have to be. I can't, for the life of me, imagine some this deluded - you're worse than the fundies.
I am NOT a POE.
um... so yeah.
Please god, please let him be a Poe... I... just please.
Quote from: Shiranu on January 23, 2015, 09:59:16 AM
Please god, please let him be a Poe... I... just please.
For the last time I am NOT a poe
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Quote from: Moralnihilist on January 24, 2015, 03:18:22 AM
Conveniently ignoring facts you cant refute I see...
No I have better s*** to do I guess.
It's not worth my time to waste trying to convince people.
Quote from: mainethinker on January 24, 2015, 05:03:16 AM
No I have better s*** to do I guess.
It's not worth my time to waste trying to convince people.
You mean like spam a thread YOU started with bullshit meaningless incoherence?
Spam? You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
VZETHF BZDOXG CCFNHC
I'm not a spammer I'm not a POE and I know what I'm talking about.
I've actually been close enough to make direct eye contact with Kim Jong un.
I was on a tour and we got to visit an elementary school.
We got to stand in this classroom and watch out windows as kids played out on the playground.
they had a really funny slide that looks like an airplane you climbed up a little later on the side into the body of the airplane and the slide came out the back like you are parachuting out of it.
we then went into the cafeteria and got served a little lunch while the kids were still outside.
while we're eating lunch I was looking around at the cafeteria and thinking about how similar it was to the cafeteria that I eat in while I was in highschool.
There is a big window between the kitchen and the cafeteria where you would go up with your trays.
We had gone up to that to get our food and after we had gotten the food roll down door on that window has been closed but there was still like a glass window inside that door and I had noticed that there was a coffee machine.
so I had gotten up from the table and I walked over to go knock on that window and asked if I could somehow get a cup of coffee because I was extremely jet lagged and looking back at it it was easy to notice that security was kinda high and that the kids were preparing for a play in the afternoon that we weren't going to get to see because it was just for parents.
so I walked up to that window in the door that was closed over the window and I looked in and there nonchalantly pouring himself a cup of coffee was Kim Jong un.
He turned around and looked directly at me smiled give me a little wave as he lifted his coffee cup up and walked off.
no joke
Okay, after that story I am convinced now North Korea is a great country. You and Dennis Rodman got me to convert.
i am not a fan of basketball.
i like baseball and golf and water polo
http://youtu.be/7Oy2vKQk8Sw
what?
i said right in the Op that none of the posted videos are mine
NÇ shì yÄ«gè pià njú
Quote from: mainethinker on January 24, 2015, 08:29:07 PM
english please
Hi mainethinker.
I don't think we really met.
I am giving you 2 hours to tell us why you are here and prove that you are not here to troll and spam. If by that time, you do not answer or you give us more reason to suspect that you are trolling, you will be given a full ban.
(https://i.imgur.com/fSRongG.gif)
I'm not here to troll or spam if you don't believe that and there's nothing I can do to convince you otherwise
Quote from: mainethinker on January 23, 2015, 01:44:05 PM
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Quote from: mainethinker on January 23, 2015, 01:58:33 PM
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Quote from: mainethinker on January 23, 2015, 04:08:53 PM
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Quote from: mainethinker on January 24, 2015, 05:43:17 AM
Spam? You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
VZETHF BZDOXG CCFNHC
Can you explain these? That would surely give me reason to not suspect you if you can... or suspect you as a troll even more... depending on what you tell me.
I'm not a spammer or troll
Saying you're not a spammer or a troll does nothing to negate the fact that you have done nothing but spam and troll
So linking to videos as spam now? give me a brake. Its only spam you gain from it somehow.
Posting MALCR IDPXZ SYHTW CITSG NIUMP CACIP BAJWG IZKYG UALYY FKIZO SJKV, doesn't really strike me as friendly conversation
and its definitely not a video
I clearly stated the nun the videos were mine so I'm not gaining from the views or anything so how is that spam?
Quote from: mainethinker on January 24, 2015, 08:54:25 PM
I'm not a spammer or troll
Interesting argument. Doesn't really explain your spammy posts though. I'll give you time to think about how you can convince me. You have until 10:45 pm
... or sooner. We will see.
What the hell is your problem
My posts are not spam but really what is it or is not spam is subjective anyways..
so you're just going to push a little mod button be on your little power trip. This isn't my first rodeo.
I don't have to reveal my identity to anyone
Quote from: mainethinker on January 24, 2015, 09:05:26 PM
I don't have to reveal my identity to anyone
No one asked you to.
See you in 2 hours or less.
You asked me who the hell I am... That's asking me to remind identity.
I'm here to post interesting things about atheism and talk to people.
I can't prove a negative I can't prove that I'm not a troll
Quote from: mainethinker on January 24, 2015, 09:08:25 PM
You asked me who the hell I am... That's asking me to remind identity.
Nope. Just prove you're not a troll. I don't care if you tell me you are Sammy Davis Jr. I don't care who you are, but you are annoying the other members with spammy and trollish posts... which is a shame because some of the stuff isn't that bad. I mean... who doesn't like a video with monkeys in it?
Show that you can make a few quality posts without spammy/trollish posts, and we will cut you some slack....
See you in 2 hours or less.
What is a quality post? You keep asking for me for things that are subjective.
Something better than typing random letters, no?
What do you want me to do? do you want a 10 page freaking essay?
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on January 24, 2015, 09:19:02 PM
Something better than typing random letters, no?
If you know what it says you know what it says
Enlighten me, if you've come to discuss then be civil and explain yourself. You might even avoid getting banned if you can just be polite for a minute or two
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on January 24, 2015, 09:22:05 PM
Enlighten me, if you've come to discuss then be civil and explain yourself. You might even avoid getting banned if you can just be polite for a minute or two
do you know where computers came from?
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on January 24, 2015, 09:22:05 PM
You might even avoid getting banned if you can just be polite for a minute or two
^qft
Depends, actual computers or the modern definition?
i am trying to sleep but now "tapatalk" keeps wakeing me up and i haft to dance around like a house elf for the mod now too
No one said you had to dance, you just have to show courtesy.
Tapatalk can also be deleted, or phone turned off
Quote from: mainethinker on January 24, 2015, 09:28:20 PM
i am trying to sleep but now "tapatalk" keeps wakeing me up and i haft to dance around like a house elf for the mod now too
Ok. no problem. Go to sleep. We will meet in purgatory! :biggrin:
Quote from: mainethinker on January 21, 2015, 09:48:10 AM
i feel sad today.. i am low on cash.. i could ride the bus to the beach tomorrow but its too cold to go swimming.
its like 11:30 PM.
i am going to bed.
Why are you showing us North Korean Won if you live in Dandong?
(http://i.imgur.com/wd8AZnn.jpg)
this photo is mine
It's currently 11:42 am in Dandong. You must have stayed out late?
Well dang, dong.