Bet that title gets a lot of views :)
So short intro... I have always been an atheist because my parents made the (smart, and honorable) decision not to raise us with any form of religion and let us choose when we were old enough to. I've been to church a few times, mostly when younger and sleeping over friends' houses who had to go on Sunday. Have a few amusing stories about it that may come up sometime. Anyway, I always believed religion was obviously a heap of crap, I always thought it was a bit strange that people who think they are intelligent believe in things like adam and eve, original sin and all of that.
Anyway, getting back to the topic title... I generally vote republican. I am quite surprised that so many folks seem to be so religious about their politics - so I guess that's going to lead to some interesting debates here. For anyone curious, the reason I vote republican is I've been a business person for the past 20+ years and that's the main issue that concerns me in politics. I most certainly don't agree with much of the GOP platform anymore than I agree with most of the democrat platform. I wish there was a viable 3rd option, or (even better) a 4th and 5th option.
So... any other republicans? :)
I've voted Republican in the past, but in general I'm a centrist, I dislike the right and the left at times :P
Welcome to the forum!
Sounds like self serving which is pretty typical of rubes. Must be nice voting for the party that wrecked the economy and think they won't do it again.. :think:
Not American, so not a democrat nor a republican.
I identify as a socialist. Though the socialist party in my country is crap and I'll be the first to recognize that.
Anyway. Welcome to our little band of heathens.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on December 08, 2014, 06:02:11 PM
Sounds like self serving which is pretty typical of rubes. Must be nice voting for the party that wrecked the economy and think they won't do it again.. :think:
Actually, anyone who takes their viewpoints from the party (instead of seeing which party meets their viewpoints on which issues) is the rube. Unfortunately, in my experience, most people do that - and get angrily outspoken when someone doesn't agree with them - like you did here.
Economy has been great the past decade or two - I've been doing fantastically well. No excuse not to be doing well.
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on December 08, 2014, 05:59:22 PM
I've voted Republican in the past, but in general I'm a centrist, I dislike the right and the left at times :P
Welcome to the forum!
I always vote the candidate, but it's mostly been republicans the last few times around - I dearly wish there was a centrist candidate I could get behind. I actually worked with Romney when he was Governor of MA and he's a fantastic executive, too bad the nature of politics in this country forces people to play a character that is electable, rather than just be themselves. That goes for all of them (including the democrats who pretend to be religious and republicans who pretend to be against abortion).
The unfortunate nature of our 2 party system. The plus side it often keeps both sides impotent, which is good :)
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on December 08, 2014, 06:03:00 PM
Not American, so not a democrat nor a republican.
I identify as a socialist. Though the socialist party in my country is crap and I'll be the first to recognize that.
Anyway. Welcome to our little band of heathens.
The post title was perhaps intentionally a bit inflammatory. I'm not registered as a republican, but rather as an independent, but I've switched in the past if I wanted to give a certain candidate a boost (i.e. Romney last time around).
Is it kosher to ask what country you are from? I wasn't born in this country and have spent a lot of time traveling in Europe and Asia... my favorite things is discovering new viewpoints, cultures, and new beer :)
Also a successful business owner here(3 gyms). As to my voting history, I vote based off of who is least likely to fuck the entire country.
Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 06:19:34 PM
Economy has been great the past decade or two - I've been doing fantastically well. No excuse not to be doing well.
Then why has median personal income remained steady in comparison to the "great" economy during the last two decades?
Why does the upper 1% of the population own 90% of the wealth in this country?
Why did 94% of all income generated in the '80s '90s and '00s go to the top 20%s?
Do you think that such a situation is sustainable and healthy?
Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 06:19:34 PM
The unfortunate nature of our 2 party system. The plus side it often keeps both sides impotent, which is good :)
It's not the nature of the 2 party system. It's gerrymandering that did it. Mixed districts meant that a candidate had to be more centrist in order to win the seat, as they had to appeal to the other side as well as their own. Thus, more radical members of their own party were sidelined and marginalized, as extreme candidates tended to lose compared to more moderate opponents.
Gerrymandering upset that balance. While securing the general elections, elected politicians begun facing attack in the primaries from the more radical parts of their own parties. They could no longer associate with old friends from other parties, who while on the opposite side of the isle, were centrists like them and reasonable compromises could be struck. Instead, the centrists candidates had to become more radicalized, or be defeated by more radical primary challengers. The result is that the two sides can no longer cooperate when they need to cooperate, and you get today's gridlock.
The job of government is to
govern. If government is impotent in that job, then it cannot respond appropriately when some problem in the country needs unified attention and action. It is not healthy when a government cannot act in the manner you describe.
I'm libertarian, which is why I generally have a very low opinion of Republicans.
The republicans with Reagonomics put us so far in debt it is ridiculous. You say you have a business, so of course you are going to favor the republicans because they do everything they can to help big business, but what have they done for small business and the working man? More jobs with less pay, less taxes for the extremely rich. The economy is better---do you really believe it is because of the republicans? Explain why you think that? There are more factors to consider the economy on how well a country is doing. Are wages fair now? Are people to live the American dream that make under $100,000 a year? How long are going keep a war going that is killing the best has to offer with are youth while the thugs and criminals run their cities into the ground.
And when is something going be done about the cooperate criminals that get ridiculous raises and benefits while destroying the company with bad management and then get billions back in subsidies from the government because of laws put in effect by republicans? Why are our public schools deteriorating while management get high wages and free benefits and teachers get squat, and then when they retire they get big bonuses, and more money as advisors that to nothing? Why is so much money being given to charter schools where the teachers don't even qualify for the jobs, so they can teach creationism? Why have the schools been taken over by special interest groups that put their vending machines in that are making our kids fat and unhealthy? Because the republican law makers have allowed it. And why are companies allowed to have off shore accounts tax free, and allowed to move over seas that take jobs away from their workers so they can get cheap labor?
Because the republican law makers have made it possible! Why have the republicans played the race card with our president to divide the country and do everything possible to obstruct him from doing his job, even shutting down the government? And why are the republicans doing everything they can to stop people from getting good health care they can afford? Why do they support the military industrial complex that has led to an unstopping war so they can make more money for their greedy little hands at any cost to the working man? Poor management has cause very big companies to fail, while the republicans wanted to give them money with no interest. Why are the republicans kowtowing to religion every chance they get? Why are there so many idiots in the republican organization, if they are so good? :axe: :fU:
Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 06:19:34 PM
Economy has been great the past decade or two - I've been doing fantastically well. No excuse not to be doing well.
What planet are you from?
ah swell,,I love a good shit throwing political thread…….
and welcome to our home. Don't give up if a couple peeps piss you off….in fact…some of them need pissing off. LOL. Go man!
I've got no argument with anyone who finds success in life. I do have a problem with those whose success comes off the backs of the rest of society and who claim that they've worked, oh..let's say 10 billion times harder than everyone else then shouldn't have to contribute to the rest of society once there.. You've proven nothing, but if you're happy fine. STFU and enjoy your wealth.
I only worked off the backs of a couple dozen but they no habla no fuckin english so "I got mine".
:fU: What is there not to like about the republicans?
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Republicans are Homophobic,racist,over religous,hypocrites,sexist,anti-abortion,anti-freedom gun trotting assholes. Almost every republican is a white lower to middle class undereducated person from the south,meaning a majority of them range from stupid to dumbfuck stupid. Republicans love ''America". Everytime they see an american flag they jizz their pants. They have to put American flags and stickerssaying "I love America everywhere.' Republicans love their Consitutional rights. Freedom of speech,religon,assembly etc. Then why do they hate other peoples religon and try to stop them from practicing it and not letting people have freedom of speech unless they approve of it.
Ah, Republicans the shit of America. People wonder why other countries hate us so much, Republicans. Our last president Bush who fucked up this country moren than it ever was, lets take a look at how this man stuck his thumb up his asshole.
1. He started a war that didn't need to be fought resulting in billions of dollars in tax money and thousands of people dead on both sides many of them innocent children and civilians.
2. He wanted more drug test in schools, George Bush only was addicted to crack.
3. He cut funding to the Violence Against Women Act, an organazation to protect women from violence and rape.
4. He claimed Homosexuals were " sinners'' and tryed to push a bill to deny partnerships and rights to them.
5. He set more executions as a governor in American history, 152 some of whom were disabled.
The list goes on and on hundreds more...
As you can see it takes just one republican to fuck up a nation, no wonder they love it so much they put all the shit into it. Althrough the republican will never go away, with all their teabagging parties we can still fight the sickness. The values of conservatism are as long as your a rascist son of a bitch asshole who loves the bible it's okay. They believe in individual freedom but when somebody wants to have an abortion they want to tell you no. They believe in freedom of speech but they hate muslims and any other religon. And let's face it they are rascist and homophobic come on you can't deny it. The ultra-conservatism is a never ending whirlpool of shit.
Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 06:24:32 PMI'm not registered as a republican, but rather as an independent, but I've switched in the past if I wanted to give a certain candidate a boost (i.e. Romney last time around).
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How does that work? The Republican Party is a party dominated by fundamentalist Christians whose goal is theocracy. How can an atheist vote for a Republican?
Plus, if success in business is your reason, you're picking the wrong party. The Democratic Party has a far better record when it comes to economic prosperity.
(The only time I ever voted Republican was for a mayoral candidate: a pro-gay Republican mayor versus a homophobic Christian fundamentalist Democrat. Only in such a situation can I ever entertain the thought of voting Republican.)
Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 06:24:32 PM
Is it kosher to ask what country you are from? I wasn't born in this country and have spent a lot of time traveling in Europe and Asia... my favorite things is discovering new viewpoints, cultures, and new beer :)
Funny thing you should mention beer. I'm from Belgium. We've got loads.
Walks in, feels something squishy, examines shoe. Oh look, politics.
Welcome. Curious as to who you would pick for a presidential candidate for 2016.
Quote from: Atheon on December 08, 2014, 11:26:50 PM
How does that work? The Republican Party is a party dominated by fundamentalist Christians whose goal is theocracy. How can an atheist vote for a Republican?
That's one of the major factions, but not the only faction. If he aligns with one of the other factions he might have reason.
Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 05:51:16 PM
So... any other republicans? :)
Not from the USA but I have voted both Conservative and Liberal here is Canada. Not that that translates at all since I would never support American conservatism.
I follow US politics quite a lot and the problem IMO is that conservatives in the US are almost totally faith based in their thinking and that applies to religion, politics and economics. The reason they are attracted to creationism is the same reason they are attracted to libertarianism. They don't need no stinkin evidence. It feels good and end of discussion.
You say you're a business owner, well so am I. Republicans and their market fundamentalist nonsense is what caused the largest market melt down since the great depression. Does that sound pro business to you?
I don't vote Republican... or Democrat, for that matter. I'm an ardent believer in 3rd-party voting, even if people think it's pointless.
I'm also an independent liberal, and I don't think the Democrats are very liberal anymore. Times change. I vote third party often in local elections, here in Oregon we have a growing number of third party politicians in office.
But if it's between a republican and a democrat, I'd vote based on the person, which means usually democrat. I don't want to be part of the group that wants to legislate my uterus, and is against basic human rights for the poor and many others.
Also, WHY would you think keeping the parties gridlocked is a good thing? Since our governments has ceased to function well, it has only given the giant 1% corporations the opportunity to step in an eff things up further for their own purposes. We are no longer a democracy, but a Corporatocracy disguised as a democracy.
If you are a small business owner and vote republican, I simply must laugh at your ignorance of shooting yourself in the foot (and spraying innocent bystanders while you are at it) and then crowing about how smart you are for doing it.
Also, welcome to the forum!!
Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 06:24:32 PM
I'm not registered as a republican, but rather as an independent, but I've switched in the past if I wanted to give a certain candidate a boost (i.e. Romney last time around).
Wait... What?
You have to register your political affiliation? How does that work?
I am leaning toward our reptilian masters..I wanna be in line for the good spots when they take over......
Quote from: aitm on December 09, 2014, 02:21:40 PM
I am leaning toward our reptilian masters..I wanna be in line for the good spots when they take over......
Our insect overlords are not going to take kindly to your position, aitm.
Quote from: PopeyesPappy on December 09, 2014, 02:49:28 PM
Our insect overlords are not going to take kindly to your position, aitm.
puuuulease.....bug person? get outa here....bug overlords....yer some kinda nut.
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Welcome to the Forum......
Quote from: Jason78 on December 09, 2014, 01:36:11 PM
You have to register your political affiliation? How does that work?
In some states, when you register to vote, you have to pick a party, or pick independent. Not all states do. I live in Texas and we don't here.
Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 05:51:16 PM
For anyone curious, the reason I vote republican is I've been a business person for the past 20+ years and that's the main issue that concerns me in politics.
So, you vote for the party that puts people out of work so they have no money to buy your products? How does that work?
For the record, fuck no I ain't no goddamn Republican. To be sure, I'm not exactly happy with the Democratic party. But hell, clearly the Democrats are better than the Republicans. They suck, sure. But substantially less.
Quote from: aitm on December 09, 2014, 02:21:40 PM
I am leaning toward our reptilian masters..I wanna be in line for the good spots when they take over......
You must think I stalk you just to "like" your posts, because I almost always seem to feel compelled to do so.
Quote from: Mermaid on December 09, 2014, 07:53:29 PM
You must think I stalk you just to "like" your posts, because I almost always seem to feel compelled to do so.
You need to get outa the habit of that because I will never return the favor. I don't care for that system. But thanks anyway, but…er….no thanks… :)
It's like the internet version of laughing. Or. Something.
1. I seem to have more likes than most which means either I've been here too long (probably) or I just say the right stuff. I'm sure somebody (probably APA) will set me straight. :whistle:
B. They want you to register by party here in Utah, but I always register independent. You register Democrat you go on the NSA scrutiny list. :axe:
III. I really would like to see what the OP's take on the Republican candidacy for president. Silly me. :think:
Well thank GOD this schlub was a drive by rube.. Or at least I'm praying to Her Dental Deity, The Tooth Fairy.. :pray:
I'm convinced aitm is just trolling us.. Such an abuse of mod power.. :naughty:
Quote from: Jason_Harvestdancer on December 09, 2014, 11:25:09 AM
That's one of the major factions, but not the only faction.
Yeah, but the right-wing Christians are pretty much the nuts and bolts of the Republican Party these days. And the ongoing doubling down on social issues that are both lost causes and pet causes of the religious reich isn't exactly wowing moderates, let alone atheists who find the idea of a Jesus Party abhorrent.
Quote from: Hydra009 on December 09, 2014, 11:55:02 PM
Yeah, but the right-wing Christians are pretty much the nuts and bolts of the Republican Party these days. And the ongoing doubling down on social issues that are both lost causes and pet causes of the religious reich isn't exactly wowing moderates, let alone atheists who find the idea of a Jesus Party abhorrent.
There is a libertarian faction of the Repubelican party, but they are far outnumbered by the neocons, who in turn are far outnumbered by the theocons. The party is the party of Bile-thumpers, gawd-bleaters and Jeezus freaks. Their party is the party of Christinsanity.
Oh come now. we may be a cache of liberals, closeted or otherwise, but healthy debate on politics from a Republican atheist in my view would be interesting. I honestly didn't know such things existed.......... :think:
I'm not a big fan of republicans, and I didn't like how this guy blamed games for causing violence, but we may have been too hard on him too early.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on December 09, 2014, 12:59:35 PM
I don't vote Republican... or Democrat, for that matter. I'm an ardent believer in 3rd-party voting, even if people think it's pointless.
It is pointless, but I do it anyway.
I really came late to this party, huh? Lol
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on December 10, 2014, 02:26:32 PM
I'm not a big fan of republicans, and I didn't like how this guy blamed games for causing violence, but we may have been too hard on him too early.
Starting out by asserting that there's no excuse for not doing well and that the economy is fine (as evidenced by his own personal success)? I don't think we were too hard on him. That is ignorant and basically hateful.
Quote from: Mermaid on December 10, 2014, 06:20:51 PM
Starting out by asserting that there's no excuse for not doing well and that the economy is fine (as evidenced by his own personal success)? I don't think we were too hard on him. That is ignorant and basically hateful.
I don't know if hateful is completely accurate, going just by that comment... but it is definitely ignorant, stupid, and delusional.
Yeah I know, it just seems like we've been smacking down anyone who comes in and thinks differently than us recently, and idiot or no, it makes us seem like the super religious folks that we hate
Granted this guy wasn't the best cookie in the box, the economy is shit right now
True, grinning. I think we can try to be a little nicer with our welcomes...
He did say at one point that he meant to stir some shit though.
Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 06:24:32 PM
The post title was perhaps intentionally a bit inflammatory. I'm not registered as a republican, but rather as an independent, but I've switched in the past if I wanted to give a certain candidate a boost (i.e. Romney last time around).
Is it kosher to ask what country you are from? I wasn't born in this country and have spent a lot of time traveling in Europe and Asia... my favorite things is discovering new viewpoints, cultures, and new beer :)
That's true, still I wish we were a bit better to noobs
If you guys had blown me off like that when I first got here, i doubt I would have stayed
BUT, that does not excuse in anyway coming with an intention to start flamewars, that deserves all the attacks that it's due
Quote from: stromboli on December 10, 2014, 02:08:09 PM
Oh come now. we may be a cache of liberals, closeted or otherwise, but healthy debate on politics from a Republican atheist in my view would be interesting. I honestly didn't know such things existed.......... :think:
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Well, I have voted conservative in the last clouple of elections. But thats in Canada so I guess it doesn't really count.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 10, 2014, 06:25:03 PM
I don't know if hateful is completely accurate, going just by that comment... but it is definitely ignorant, stupid, and delusional.
I think I see that sort of talk as hateful. Aside from being factually inaccurate, it's blaming the poor for being poor. That's vile.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 10, 2014, 06:34:27 PM
True, grinning. I think we can try to be a little nicer with our welcomes...
He did say at one point that he meant to stir some shit though.
Meh, he said he liked beer. That's enough for me to tolerate him, at least for a while and get to know him better.
It's not a high standard, I admit. But it's enough.
You guys are nicer than me.
Well if he liked beer he cant be all that bad eh...?
fk politics.........................
Quote from: Mermaid on December 10, 2014, 06:41:33 PM
I think I see that sort of talk as hateful. Aside from being factually inaccurate, it's blaming the poor for being poor. That's vile.
True. That is pretty dick of him. Idk... I'm feeling pleasant lately. Don't mind me...
Sent from your mom.
It depends on what kind of beer. If it's Miller or budweiser, he can go fuck himself.
Sent from your mom.
Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 10, 2014, 06:56:09 PM
True. That is pretty dick of him. Idk... I'm feeling pleasant lately. Don't mind me...
Sent from your mom.
:lol:
Maybe a rule of thumb that we be nice to the newbies for at least the first ten posts before we trash them.
Quote from: stromboli on December 10, 2014, 02:08:09 PMOh come now. we may be a cache of liberals, closeted or otherwise, but healthy debate on politics from a Republican atheist in my view would be interesting. I honestly didn't know such things existed.......... :think:
Historically, it might've actually been a halfway decent combination until the Republicans went with their Southern strategy and ensuing fundie takeover from within. The Republicans actually weren't all that bad up until then.
Quote from: stromboli on December 10, 2014, 07:32:28 PM
Maybe a rule of thumb that we be nice to the newbies for at least the first ten posts before we trash them.
I like that idea.
We have to keep in mind. Even some of us say some stupid and offensive shit. A lot of times it's because of what is going on IRL or just the way it comes off when we type. I think we can at least get a little bit better feel for who a new person is before we rip on them.
If there really is a suspected troll, use the report button. It makes it easier for us mods to investigate than when there is so much other commotion from other people making commotion.
Imagine reading through a 10 page thread trying to find where it went sour? Aint nobody's got time for that. It's a lot more time consuming than if there was just someone pointing out the suspicion/violation with the "report to moderator" button.
And then us mods will be able to handle it in the easiest and most stress-free way possible.
Like this! :lol:
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Quote from: PickelledEggs on December 10, 2014, 08:15:11 PM
I like that idea.
We have to keep in mind. Even some of us say some stupid and offensive shit. A lot of times it's because of what is going on IRL or just the way it comes off when we type. I think we can at least get a little bit better feel for who a new person is before we rip on them.
If there really is a suspected troll, use the report button. It makes it easier for us mods to investigate than when there is so much other commotion from other people making commotion.
Imagine reading through a 10 page thread trying to find where it went sour? Aint nobody's got time for that. It's a lot more time consuming than if there was just someone pointing out the suspicion/violation with the "report to moderator" button.
And then us mods will be able to handle it in the easiest and most stress-free way possible.
Like this! :lol:
Oh you and your logic and reason. Psh.
Although you have to admit, the opening statement pretty much painted a target on the guy.......
So the new rule is we gotta be nice to flaming assholes for 10 posts? When your opening post pretty much declares yourself a flaming asshole 10 automatically becomes 1. I don't see much need to change from established protocol.
Quote from: stromboli on December 10, 2014, 02:08:09 PM
Oh come now. we may be a cache of liberals, closeted or otherwise, but healthy debate on politics from a Republican atheist in my view would be interesting. I honestly didn't know such things existed.......... :think:
Years ago, we had a guy named Saitou who was a Republican. That was years ago, and, he probably wouldn't the current direction of the party.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on December 11, 2014, 11:57:19 AM
So the new rule is we gotta be nice to flaming assholes for 10 posts? When your opening post pretty much declares yourself a flaming asshole 10 automatically becomes 1. I don't see much need to change from established protocol.
no. It was just a suggestion to be a little more lenient with new people. You don't have to though. If someone is blatantly being a prick, they're probably going to be dumped in purgatory/banned eventually anyway.
You mean there's a difference between being a republican and being a blatant prick? When the hell did that shit start? :eek:
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on December 11, 2014, 12:43:52 PM
You mean there's a difference between being a republican and being a blatant prick? When the hell did that shit start? :eek:
The two tend to come hand-in-hand. But being a prick is not necessarily exclusive to being a republican. There are more pricks out there other than republicans. Think of rectangles as pricks. Republicans are squares. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. :lol: It's basic math.
I'm not saying all republicans are blatant pricks, just every republican I've ever known and they LOVE them some of that there fuzzy math..
Historically I have been a republican but more and more I lean left and in all honesty I hate both parties. If they would quit fighting over meaningless stuff like gay marriage, not that it is meaningless as I am all for it and the sooner people figure out that the sooner we treat each other as equals the better off we'll be. The fighting over things that I think everyone here agrees with is just dumb and a waste of time and money. Being a former Marine I'll probably always agree with defense spending, especially given the perception globally of America. I always threaten to move to Canada, Denmark, Sweden or Iceland since you never hear too many bad things about those countries. Rant over.
Quote from: MarineWarrior on December 12, 2014, 08:50:29 AM
Being a former Marine I'll probably always agree with defense spending, especially given the perception globally of America.
Welcome, BTW. And being a former US Army/NG/active reserve for 12 yrs (Intel), I can appreciate that. But then, it is mainly because of the misuse of that military might that people hate us. I really don't think we need bases in over 140 countries. Maybe we should work at reducing our military, rather than increase it.
I voted Republican back in the day, but now I am an independent. Personally I don't think identifying as a Republican is reason for being denounced or attacked. I would really like to hear from someone who is a Republican atheist and get their views. I am here to learn; the more we know the more weapons we have in our arsenal.
I use to be republican when I listened to rushlimbaugh and other talking heads. Then I grew up did some of my own research and thinking and awakened to the fact that they are completely full of shit. Not only that but democrats more match up with my values.
As far as the economy goes I have not seen wealth in my personal life and every one in my age group seems to be struggling to get above minimum wage which is unacceptable. Minimum wage is the hardest wage to work and has no pay off. Then wonder why people seem to be lazy on the job or just plain don't want to work minimum. My sister is a neurotic mess because of how stressed out she is at her minimum wage job. And she's worked a few and none of them treat their employees like humans. I've worked minimum myself and while I survived it better than she, my current tolerance for bullshit is extremely low. I know how attempting to work minimum wage again would go for me. Not well.
So any one who thinks owning a business (which my sister has a degree in) is easy to come by and no excuse to not own one had more support and options than your average joe and clearly never experienced what life is like for a commoner. It's near impossible to get a loan these days to get that business started and I'm afraid if you don't have money to start it you won't get very far. Good luck trying to survive on minimum wage let alone save money.
The rich are way out of touch with the commoners and have no understanding of what goes on in our world. No one wants to pay any one a fair wage any more so now every one on the bottom and the shrinking middle are suffering.
So simply by labeling himself as a republican he is automatically a prick, an asshole or whatever? I've been on this forum 5 years. In that time we have had all kinds, from troubled teens to wackjob religionists to whatever, but I have never seen anyone so blatantly attacked just for stating his political leanings. This is a forum. We are supposed to debate people. This man called himself an atheist- this is an atheist forum. We have had long running debates with creationists, people who believe they can prove god exists, and we are going to trash someone just because they are Republican?
I don't think it is fair or wise to attack people based on that, it makes us look like narrow minded hate mongers. If that is what this forum has devolved to, I think we are missing the point of what we are all about. And if that is the mindset of the forum, then I certainly don't want to contribute here.
Quote from: stromboli on December 12, 2014, 03:15:23 PM
So simply by labeling himself as a republican he is automatically a prick, an asshole or whatever? I've been on this forum 5 years. In that time we have had all kinds, from troubled teens to wackjob religionists to whatever, but I have never seen anyone so blatantly attacked just for stating his political leanings.
A lot of the anti Republican posts in this thread don't seem to be explicitly directed to the OP. But, I supposed some of them were. And the OP, if he were to read them, might think of all of them as being directed to him. I confess, I have a lot of anger towards how USA has changed. And I blame the majority of those problems on conservatives. Some might say that they don't get all the blame. Inactive liberals are also to blame, etc. But, well, I really detest the Republican party. I'm sorry, but I do.
Still, you are right that we should be reasonably welcoming. This is, as you said, an atheist forum, not politics forum. Though politics certainly do come up.
Quote from: MarineWarrior on December 12, 2014, 08:50:29 AM
Being a former Marine I'll probably always agree with defense spending, especially given the perception globally of America.
Actually, global perception of USA is a reason to DISAGREE with defense spending. We spent more and more money on defense, and hated more and more. So, we should spend even more???
Quote from: caseagainstfaith on December 12, 2014, 05:17:14 PM
I confess, I have a lot of anger towards how USA has changed. And I blame the majority of those problems on conservatives. Some might say that they don't get all the blame. Inactive liberals are also to blame, etc. But, well, I really detest the Republican party. I'm sorry, but I do.
Took the words right out of my mouth!