His fate is finally revealed after being abducted for about 1-2 years. RIP. (warning: a bit graphic)
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/isis-beheaded-journalist-james-wright-foley.html
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/08/19/Islamic-State-Beheads-Missing-American-Journalist-James-Wright-Foley
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/kidnapped-american-journalist-james-wright-foley-beheaded-isis-militants-article-1.1909374
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc1_1408481278
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/19/james-wright-foley-beheaded-isis-video
I've heard about it this morning on the radio while driving to work; sad but not unexpected, unfortunately.
When will the US and the West in general understand that our policies in the Middle East have been completely fucked up?
That one video that starts out with Obama was graphic. I suppose it could be photo shopped, but ISIS does that, so it wouldn't have to be.
And in the dark ages, anyone challenging the church were put in prison or tortured to death.
Yes this sucks, but Islam does not own a patent on human cruelty. Our behavior as a species has always displayed both cruelty and compassion.
QuoteAnd in the dark ages, anyone challenging the church were put in prison or tortured to death.
I'll take beheading any day to some of the tools the Catholics and English came up with...
Hopefully the Kurds and Iraqis can knock IS back into oblivion. To be "fair" to them, what they had Foley say is technically true, that this is the United States fault... they are a branch off of Al Qaeda who was an American puppet against the Communists. Doesn't take the blood off their hands, but at the same time we are the ones who trained them to be killers.
The US - Offering short-term solutions to intractable long-term problems since 1945.
Far more truthful than E Pluribus Unum.
ISIS thanks you all for your tacit approval.
Quote from: Berati on August 20, 2014, 06:18:36 PM
ISIS thanks you all for your tacit approval.
The United States likewise thanks you for yours.
Because you know... you are only allowed to blame one group, it's completely impossible for more than one party to be responsible for their actions!
Piss off...
Ill tell you what is really sick, all the people who are passing around this video on fb like its entertainment, fuckin sick bastards........
Quote from: Green Bottle on August 20, 2014, 06:57:51 PM
Ill tell you what is really sick, all the people who are passing around this video on fb like its entertainment, fuckin sick bastards........
I fucking hate these type of people.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 20, 2014, 06:30:14 PM
Because you know... you are only allowed to blame one group, it's completely impossible for more than one party to be responsible for their actions!
Oh I blame either side... WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE!
What I don't do is blame every evil thing done in the middle east on the U.S and Britain. ISIS, it's views, and it's crimes have absolutely nothing to do with anyones foreign policy. Zero! Iraq being rid of a dictator had the perfect opportunity to turn things around, just as Egypt did. It was fucked up both times by Islamists, not the west, not this time.
Twice now you've been shown videos of islamists performing barbaric executions and twice you have blamed the US and what christians did centuries ago. How about you try reading this situation correctly for a change.
Once again, here is the link to the historical account of Muhammads conquests: http://www.historynet.com/muhammad-the-warrior-prophet.htm
This time read it and understand that ISIS is doing exactly what Muhammad has done.
QuotePiss off...
uhhhh No. I'll expose your "blame everything on the west" islamist apologetics anytime the mood strikes me.
6,000+ years of two religions of peace and the followers of one are still in the Dark ages with the First Testament and an insane prophet, while the other one has members of the same stripe, taking the Second one literally, causing on believable pain and suffering for those that don't cow tow to their God (Allah). If there were a devil, he couldn't cause more pain and suffering with his writings. :wall: :butt: Solitary
Quote from: Berati on August 20, 2014, 11:28:11 PM
uhhhh No. I'll expose your "blame everything on the west" islamist apologetics anytime the mood strikes me.
As opposed to what? Treating them like crap and meddling with their affairs? Yes, that worked
soooo well last time and the time before that and the time before that.
"Islamic apologetics" is a buzzword created by the right to salve their guilt in having to acknowledge that the west's hands aren't lily white clean in this affair, and railing against people trying to keep them from using the same tired strategy of righteous retaliation that has been failing the whole time (and parallels the response of the people they are railing against). Seriously, the best thing we can do for them now is leave them the fuck alone, and if it weren't for their oil that's precisely what we would be doing.
Edit: Taming it down because I am pissed off at what you implied, not at you specifically. If you catch this before I am done editing, just realize that.
QuoteISIS, it's views, and it's crimes have absolutely nothing to do with anyones foreign policy. Zero!
IS is an extremist branch off of Al Qaeda, an organization trained and funded by the American government during the very late 80s and early 90s to combat the "Communist threat". It's entire existence is because of the CIA, which happens to exist in a foreign country that isn't Iraq and Afghanistan.
Therefore it's existence IS dependent upon Western forces and thus Western forces shoulder part of the blame. It happened within my life-time, and I am young... so you cant say it was "too long ago" for people to have their hands washed clean of it, especially when it has caused so much suffering to millions and millions of people since it was started.
QuoteIraq being rid of a dictator had the perfect opportunity to turn things around, just as Egypt did.
You just said the West had NOTHING to do with this situation... then you cite that it is the power struggle in Iraq that is allowing IS this opportunity. I think that is a very fair point, one I agree with and I think most people who have payed attention agree with, but you realize why Iraq is in a power flux right now, right?
Iraq didn't over-throw Saddam by itself. Iraq wasn't even close to over-throwing Saddam by itself. Iraq is in the power struggle it is in atm because the United States decided to finish what they started in the first Gulf War and invade for one reason or another a country that had nothing to do with the "War on Terror"... at best they were a sponsor of terrorists. That is all fine-and-dandy, but if that is the case then we would need to declare war on Saudi Arabia (the biggest funder of terrorists in the Middle East), Iran (second biggest), Pakistan, Palestine, Egypt, and of course ourselves for funding terrorists throughout the Middle East and Latin America (and Europe, and Asia...).
The Iraq power struggle is more than anything else solely on the West. Without our involvement Saddam would still be ruling and, in all honesty, the people of Iraq would be better off. That is really shitty to have to say, but at the end of the day it was a lose-lose situation that we could do nothing about, at least not by sending them guns or bombing them into submission.
QuoteTwice now you've been shown videos of islamists performing barbaric executions and twice you have blamed the US....
I have posted it twice now and you still haven't seem to read a thing I said. What I have said is that the United States, and the West, hold responsibility for the consequences of their actions. If you create a power struggle after training groups to be terrorist organizations, what exactly do you think is going to happen.
No where have I said IS is not responsible nor have I said the West is solely responsible. I have simply said that many of the factors that have lead to this situation are the fault of the West, and if you have a problem with that then you need to take it up (very recent) history and not me.
Quote...and what christians did centuries ago.
Yeah, I didn't say that anywhere. I honestly have no idea where you pulled that out of. If you are going to accuse me of supporting mass murderers, at least read my damn posts before accusing me of something that, if you had even the slightest clue about what I am about, you would realize how dead wrong you got.
Quoteuhhhh No. I'll expose your "blame everything on the west" islamist apologetics anytime the mood strikes me.
Again; No, you will accuse me of "supporting mass murderers" anytime the mood strikes me because you are ignoring history for one reason or another and completely reading into my posts things I never said, as well as simply ignoring things I said.
And as HR said, "Islamist Apologist" is a right-wing buzzword, dog-whistle load of horse shit. Please don't bring yourself down by using that drivel.
I blame conservatism.
Jihadi butchers! He actually hacked that guy’s head off with a short bladed knife. How sick can you get? I did not see the video, and just as well, because from what I have heard it was not quick, but slow, ugly and graphically violent. Just one more gruesome example of religion bringing out the very worst in people.
Quote from: Brian37 on August 20, 2014, 10:39:20 AM
And in the dark ages, anyone challenging the church were put in prison or tortured to death.
This is where all of you are going off the rails.
You think you're fighting discrimination by pointing out that christians were just as bad, but this is not about discrimination it's about violent murder.
If during WWII someone was complaining that Hitler was a monster, how does it help to point out that Genghis Khan was a monster as well?? Do you think prior crimes mitigate current crimes? Do you think two wrongs make a right?
While you may think you're taking the moral high ground all you're really doing is sweeping some new atrocities under the table so you can feel good about yourselves and show everyone just how non racist you are. This is not about racism, it's about violent murder. Stay on topic for fucks sake.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 20, 2014, 12:55:59 PM
I'll take beheading any day to some of the tools the Catholics and English came up with...
Nice thing to tell the mother of a son who just had his head sawed off by a crazy person.
You may not be callous and insensitive people but you're being callous and insensitive to those whose whose family members have been gruesomely executed.
I'll be off grid for a few days so I don't have time to point out why it's incorrect to blame every murderous action taken by islamic extremists on other nations foreign policy, but if you really think about it honestly you'll probably figure it out on your own.
QuoteYou may not be callous and insensitive people but you're being callous and insensitive to those whose whose family members have been gruesomely executed.
Yeah, and I don't plan on going up to any of their family members and telling them, "Hey, it could always be worse!".
Why don't you worry about people who have alot more serious shit to say about him and who might actually be heard by his family? That seems like a more productive use of time than bitching that someone made a passing remark on a random internet thread that no one will see.
Quote...but if you really think about it honestly you'll probably figure it out on your own.
Okay. No one is blaming every action on the West, but I am sure if anyone pops in here and sees that they will be more than capable of prove you right.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on August 21, 2014, 01:59:45 PM
As opposed to what? Treating them like crap and meddling with their affairs? Yes, that worked soooo well last time and the time before that and the time before that.
As opposed to a knee jerk, blame the west for every terrible thing going on in the middle east.
Quote"Islamic apologetics" is a buzzword created by the right to salve their guilt in having to acknowledge that the west's hands aren't lily white clean in this affair, and railing against people trying to keep them from using the same tired strategy of righteous retaliation that has been failing the whole time (and parallels the response of the people they are railing against). Seriously, the best thing we can do for them now is leave them the fuck alone, and if it weren't for their oil that's precisely what we would be doing.
Islamic apologetics is just like christian apologetics. It's making excuses for barbaric behavior. This has nothing to do with racism or with liberal vs conservative views. When it comes to religion, extremists count on the free pass that religion gets. Don't give it to them.
We've just see two videos of islamic nut jobs brutally murdering bound people and the responses so far are like this 'Fucking Americans' and 'Christians were even worse'. Both lines of thinking here are off the mark and off topic.
I completely agree that we should leave them alone...as much as possible, but complete isolation isn't possible. There are thousands and thousands of people facing imminent death thanks to ISYS and that has nothing to do with any other nations foreign policy. It has everything to do with Islamic doctrine. Is it so hard to admit that?
I'm sure you've seen the media reports of all the Kurds, Christians, Shiite Muslims (anyone not Sunni) hiding in the mountains with their families. And I'm sure you know that thousands have already been killed. Well, if they were fleeing a natural disaster I'm sure you would want to help, but if they're fleeing a homicidal religious group then... sucks to be them?
Quote...and the responses so far are like this 'Fucking Americans' and 'Christians were even worse'.
And you continue to read things no one has posted. Go figure.
If your going to keep posting, at least use what people are saying here instead of arguing with posts you are reading from another forum. That is the only logical conclusion to why you keep repeating stuff that no is saying. Maybe check your tabs, you might accidentally be switching between the two forums.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 22, 2014, 10:28:23 AM
Yeah, and I don't plan on going up to any of their family members and telling them, "Hey, it could always be worse!".
Why don't you worry about people who have alot more serious shit to say about him and who might actually be heard by his family? That seems like a more productive use of time than bitching that someone made a passing remark on a random internet thread that no one will see.
It was a misguided passing remark and I pointed it out. Am I not allowed to criticize and move the conversation back to the topic in the OP. A religious nut job hacking a persons head off?
Quote
Okay. No one is blaming every action on the West, but I am sure if anyone pops in here and sees that they will be more than capable of prove you right.
And yet when ISYS, guided by Islamic principals, is attempting to establish a caliphate through violence and terrorism just as their prophet did (i.e. beheadings and terrorism) the ONLY response other than mine was to blame the west and let everyone know that christians were just as bad. Sorry, how could I have possibly thought that no one was blaming every action on the West. :confused2:
ISIS miscalculated big times. Now, Obama who was reluctant in the past to engage in military conflict has no choice but to use US military power after this international outrage. If ISIS wanted the US to disengage they went the wrong way. This offers Obama a chance to leave a legacy before leaving a second term that was going nowhere.
Quote from: Shiranu on August 22, 2014, 10:48:36 AM
And you continue to read things no one has posted. Go figure.
If your going to keep posting, at least use what people are saying here instead of arguing with posts you are reading from another forum. That is the only logical conclusion to why you keep repeating stuff that no is saying. Maybe check your tabs, you might accidentally be switching between the two forums.
I'm not making up anything. I'm pointing out what has been said.
QuoteAnd in the dark ages, anyone challenging the church were put in prison or tortured to death.
Quotewhat they had Foley say is technically true, that this is the United States fault...
QuoteAnd in the dark ages, anyone challenging the church were put in prison or tortured to death.
Yes, a statement on how religion never changes.
Wooooow, you sure got us there! By pointing out that religion can be just as bad as it was in the Dark Ages, which was pretty shit-tier, we REAAAALY gave IS the pass on that one!
Quotewhat they had Foley say is technically true, that this is the United States fault...
Correct, it is technically true, as I have already pointed out in that we both founded the organization that became IS as well as left Iraq a complete train wreck ripe for groups like this to exploit.
Here's the thing; just because something is technically true doesn't mean that the blood is washed off your hands. It just means you have a valid point, even if you are still completely and utterly wrong about whatever else you are doing.
Edit: Was going to leave this be, but it was just at the head of my facebook and felt very appropriate.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/8/james-foley-did-notdieinvain.html?utm_content=opinion&utm_campaign=ajam&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=SocialFlow
If that wasn't simple enough for you to grasp, I guess we will have to call this one a "draw". You were dead wrong on your first point and intentionally misreading everything everyone has said, so I think I am done here. Only ruining my impression of you as an otherwise decent poster :\. Later.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 22, 2014, 10:52:49 AM
ISIS miscalculated big times. Now, Obama who was reluctant in the past to engage in military conflict has no choice but to use US military power after this international outrage. If ISIS wanted the US to disengage they went the wrong way. This offers Obama a chance to leave a legacy before leaving a second term that was going nowhere.
The only thing I am thinking is that ISIS might not care; this is a chance to get to kill themselves some more heathens. They wouldn't be the first nutjobs to accept being "martyrs".
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 22, 2014, 10:52:49 AM
If ISIS wanted the US to disengage they went the wrong way. This offers Obama a chance to leave a legacy before leaving a second term that was going nowhere.
I think ISIS has no desire for the US to disengage. I don't know this, of course. It's just a gut feeling.
Quote from: Berati on August 22, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
As opposed to a knee jerk, blame the west for every terrible thing going on in the middle east.
How is the fact that we have been using less-than-legitimate means of shaping these countries to be oil producers and little else, and they didn't like that (something that has been known for a long time and has been willfully perpetrated by us) "knee jerk"?
How is recognizing that we bear some of the blame for what's going on the same as blaming the west for "every terrible thing" going on there?
This is exactly the same shit you pulled in the smoking thread. It didn't wash there, and it won't here.
Quote from: Berati on August 22, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
Islamic apologetics is just like christian apologetics. It's making excuses for barbaric behavior.
Who is making excuses for barbaric behavior? Me? Shinaru? Oh, that's right, NO ONE! Furthermore, speaking of barbaric behavior, why are you focused on the Middle East's barbarism? What about our own barbaric behavior?
Quote from: Berati on August 22, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
This has nothing to do with racism or with liberal vs conservative views. When it comes to religion, extremists count on the free pass that religion gets. Don't give it to them.
Again, we are not giving them a free pass. On the other hand, that extends to us as well: we don't get a free pass from our own barbarism (Guantanimo, anyone?). "Islamic apologetics" is, in fact, a buzzword used by the right to distract from the fact that, as bad the Islamic world is, what they do is
not done without a fuckload of provocation. We have messed with the politics of the region for a good
half-century or more, carving up their region like a turkey, manipulating their countries so that we are ensured a steady oil stream (the actual welfare of the country is completely secondary to this), put unelected and often ruthless dictators in charge, and waged war on them.
ANYONE would have been angered by what we have done there. So why are you so shocked that, when those particular angry people you piss off happen to believe that death is a good punishment for such actions, that they actually wage violence on you?
Quote from: Berati on August 22, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
We've just see two videos of islamic nut jobs brutally murdering bound people and the responses so far are like this 'Fucking Americans' and 'Christians were even worse'. Both lines of thinking here are off the mark and off topic.
'Fucking Americans' and 'Christians were even worse' are not words that have been said by any person in this thread, or even is a fair description of their gist.
At worst, Brian37 was pointing out that Islam does not have a monopoly on human cruelty, and Shinaru saying that the US is to blame â€" by which I assume from what he said later, to blame for the situation, not for Foley's execution in particular.
Quote from: Berati on August 22, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
I completely agree that we should leave them alone...as much as possible, but complete isolation isn't possible. There are thousands and thousands of people facing imminent death thanks to ISYS and that has nothing to do with any other nations foreign policy. It has everything to do with Islamic doctrine. Is it so hard to admit that?
No. ISIS is responsible, as far as it is responsible, for what it has done. But we are responsible for the mess that gave birth to ISIS.
Quote from: Berati on August 22, 2014, 10:37:41 AM
I'm sure you've seen the media reports of all the Kurds, Christians, Shiite Muslims (anyone not Sunni) hiding in the mountains with their families. And I'm sure you know that thousands have already been killed. Well, if they were fleeing a natural disaster I'm sure you would want to help, but if they're fleeing a homicidal religious group then... sucks to be them?
Go fuck yourself. Of course we help them. But we need to do so in a way that helps them solve their own problems and be able to stand on their own. We have to admit to ourselves that we can't nation build them out of their cycle of violence. The Kurds, Christians, Shiite Muslims, etc have to do that themselves.
Quote from: Hakurei Reimu on August 22, 2014, 06:25:46 PM
"Islamic apologetics" is, in fact, a buzzword used by the right
But we are responsible for the mess that gave birth to ISIS.
Can we say Islamophobia is a buzzword used by leftists?
Of course the leftists like to stick up for Islam yet all other religions are fair game to them, if you are an apologist for a religion you deserve to be branded an apologist.
Are Americans responsible for this as well, is this the Islam the leftards are so keen to defend?
QuoteIn 13 countries around the world,all of them muslim,people who openly espouse atheism or reject the official state religion of Islam face execution under the law.
www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210)
I thought this was an atheist forum, why do leftists defend this idiocy?
The problem is,as long as Islam is around,people might actually read the texts and start taking them seriously, that is how this Islamic state was created.
Can we blame the USA for al Shaabab in Somalia, what about Boko Haram in Nigeria is that Americas fault as well?
Quote from: Solitary on August 21, 2014, 12:02:53 AM
6,000+ years of two religions of peace and the followers of one are still in the Dark ages with the First Testament and an insane prophet,
Where do you get the 6000+ years from,Islam has only been around for 1400 years.
Is this how the muslims achieved peace-
QuoteThe messenger of Allah said-
I will expel the jews and christian from the Arabian peninsula and will not leave any but muslim.
sunnah.com/muslim/32/75 (http://sunnah.com/muslim/32/75)
Quote from: Shiranu on August 21, 2014, 04:09:13 PM
IS is an extremist branch off of Al Qaeda, an organization trained and funded by the American government during the very late 80s and early 90s to combat the "Communist threat". It's entire existence is because of the CIA,
And as HR said, "Islamist Apologist" is a right-wing buzzword, dog-whistle load of horse shit. Please don't bring yourself down by using that drivel.
Islamophobia is a leftist buzzword used by Islamic apologists and Political Islam, the leftists are aligned with Political Islam is using this buzzword.
The Pakistan ISI played a huge role in the creation of the Afghan Mujahideen, they even gave Bin Laden a place to stay until a seal team came in and whacked him.
Are the dumbfuckistanis totally ignorant of the role the Pakistan ISI played in creating these groups?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Services_Intelligence_activities_in_Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-Services_Intelligence_activities_in_Afghanistan)
quran.com/47/4 (http://quran.com/47/4)
Oh, I forgot that Pakistan isn't funded by Western powers...
Oh... wait... haha, I nearly forgot the nearly $64 billion dollars we have given them since the 50s. Woooo Wee, that woulda been akward to forget they were one of our puppet states.
A good interview with Australian journalist Michael Ware, he talks about the rise of al qaeda in Iraq and the Islamic state.
He was there, he was captured by those who founded the Islamic state, they were going to chop his head off and film it with his own camera, was it an al qaeda commander who saved him from getting his head chopped off?
If you look at al qaeda and the Islamic state from a darwinism view it will explain why the Islamic state has prevailed.
Great interview which goes into how this sectarian strife started in Iraq along with the demise of al qaeda and the rise of the Islamic state.
www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2014/08/21/4071673.htm?site=conversations (http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2014/08/21/4071673.htm?site=conversations)
Mr Ware was one of the few journalists who were captured in Iraq and managed to keep his head.
Quote from: baronvonrort on August 23, 2014, 12:32:39 AM
Can we say Islamophobia is a buzzword used by leftists?
No, because you made that term up, too. The only place I see "Islamophobia" in use is when your crowd use it against us.
Quote from: baronvonrort on August 23, 2014, 12:32:39 AM
Of course the leftists like to stick up for Islam yet all other religions are fair game to them, if you are an apologist for a religion you deserve to be branded an apologist.
Fucking lie, which you would know if you ever bothered to listen to us instead of seeing certain keywords and churning out your ready-made responses.
Quote from: baronvonrort on August 23, 2014, 12:32:39 AM
Are Americans responsible for this as well, is this the Islam the leftards are so keen to defend?
No. Again, this just your automatic response to seeing certain keywords. Any accusation that we would give Islam a pass for executing atheists is a fucking lie.
Quote from: baronvonrort on August 23, 2014, 12:32:39 AM
The problem is,as long as Islam is around,people might actually read the texts and start taking them seriously, that is how this Islamic state was created.
Again, you betray your magical thinking. You think these texts are actually magic, that ensnare your mind just by reading them.
No wonder you're so afraid of Muslims. You think they possess actual witchcraft.
Quote from: baronvonrort on August 23, 2014, 12:32:39 AM
Can we blame the USA for al Shaabab in Somalia, what about Boko Haram in Nigeria is that Americas fault as well?
I give you the same response as Beratti: Go. Fuck. Yourself.
Islam is a religion of peace, Allah akbar.
Of course it isn't. They can't even stop fighting each other (Shiite/Sunni).
(http://jordanwellsministries.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/islam-is-a-religion-of-peace-i-shall-kill-you-for-denying-it.jpg?w=540)(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/002791889/546469361_muslims_xlarge.png)
Maybe when muslims are taught what the meaning of peace is, its a different meaning to what western schools are taught.
Maybe when muslim leaders say its a religion of peace, what they are actually saying when they say peace is 'behead people and rape 4 your olds'
Its funny when looking at islamic belief, it makes comparing to Christianity like comparing a burnt apple pie to a pile of horse shit. I'd still not eat the apple pie, but I could stand next to it and not feel disgusted.
Quote from: SGOS on August 22, 2014, 11:22:13 AM
I think ISIS has no desire for the US to disengage. I don't know this, of course. It's just a gut feeling.
Well they make a big deal with, 'death to America", and they also need to show off - this is their way to get more recruits. However, a direct confrontation with the US is not in their best interest.
White people talking about islam is hilarious. It's like when homophobes discuss how gay sex works. "In the navel?"
Quote from: the_antithesis on August 24, 2014, 10:53:56 AM
White people talking about islam is hilarious. It's like when homophobes discuss how gay sex works. "In the navel?"
Are you trying to say white people should not criticise Islam?
There are many hadeeth that state profit Mo was a white man.
QuoteHe uncovered his thigh and i saw the whiteness of the thigh of the prophet.
sunnah.com/bukhari/8/23 (http://sunnah.com/bukhari/8/23)
Was Mo a fat white dwarf?
QuoteThis Muhammad of yours is a dwarf and fat
sunnah.com/abudawud/42/154 (http://sunnah.com/abudawud/42/154)
It's hilarious how those apologists defend this belief.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 24, 2014, 08:15:32 AM
Well they make a big deal with, 'death to America", and they also need to show off - this is their way to get more recruits. However, a direct confrontation with the US is not in their best interest.
They have done well fighting superpowers so far, as long as they are not decisive wars. While Americans and Russians grew weary of fighting (it seemed like such a peachy idea at first as it always does at first), the religion of peace becomes only more emboldened. A withdrawal from Iraq is viewed as a great victory for Islam. But for Americans, it's just a relief to quit fucking around and pissing away money on a misdirected war. Both sides need a little war, but not too much. By not having to actually lose, both sides can claim victory. A full blown war, where the stops come out, would lead to an ultimate defeat. This would not be in Islam's best interests, and the US military industrial complex would lose a golden goose.
Quote from: the_antithesis on August 24, 2014, 10:53:56 AM
White people talking about islam is hilarious. It's like when homophobes discuss how gay sex works. "In the navel?"
Nice blanket statement you have there.
Quote from: the_antithesis on August 24, 2014, 10:53:56 AM
White people talking about islam is hilarious. It's like when homophobes discuss how gay sex works. "In the navel?"
In the UK we've got people of all colours joining islam. Having dark skin is not a pre-requisite.
Quote from: SGOS on August 25, 2014, 05:48:35 AM
They have done well fighting superpowers so far, as long as they are not decisive wars. While Americans and Russians grew weary of fighting (it seemed like such a peachy idea at first as it always does at first), the religion of peace becomes only more emboldened. A withdrawal from Iraq is viewed as a great victory for Islam. But for Americans, it's just a relief to quit fucking around and pissing away money on a misdirected war. Both sides need a little war, but not too much. By not having to actually lose, both sides can claim victory. A full blown war, where the stops come out, would lead to an ultimate defeat. This would not be in Islam's best interests, and the US military industrial complex would lose a golden goose.
Considering that the US is helping Assad with intelligence - unthinkable two months ago - and the idea floating in Washington of cooperating with Iran - never seen since 1979 - ISIS has accomplished more than any other entity in the last 35 years. The American population has been tired after two long wars - Afghanistan and Iraq- but with the beheading of Foley, there will be little protest in the country if the US would embark on a full scale war against ISIS. Sometimes, one single event can change the dynamics in ways no one had foreseen.
Quote from: josephpalazzo on August 25, 2014, 09:13:48 AM
there will be little protest in the country if the US would embark on a full scale war against ISIS. Sometimes, one single event can change the dynamics in ways no one had foreseen.
Our memories are short. I'm not sure THAT short, but short. NPR did a piece on the Foley beheading. At least one guest said that overall as a national security issue, that incident won't have much impact. It's only one guy in a world filled with violence. But I think it is something that could be used to whip the public into a war frenzy if the government wanted. But certainly, wars have been started over less. And 10 or 20 years down the road, after the public begins to get bored with peace and the next generation doesn't remember the last pointless war, it would almost be a certain issue that would get us back in up to our necks. I would think at this time, the public would at least be cautious about getting back in. Not to say the public couldn't be manipulated, but it won't be as easy for Obama as it was for George Bush.
Quote from: Jason78 on August 25, 2014, 08:28:42 AM
In the UK we've got people of all colours joining islam. Having dark skin is not a pre-requisite.
Not only is the uk a mix racial country, but it has in it people from other countries who came over to here, live off of the uks benefits, and yet preach hatred for westerners and support of sharia law in the uk, all while under the uks protection.
I'm certain if Allah existed he'd see them as pathetic cowards.
Quote from: SGOS on August 25, 2014, 11:11:06 AM
Our memories are short. I'm not sure THAT short, but short. NPR did a piece on the Foley beheading. At least one guest said that overall as a national security issue, that incident won't have much impact. It's only one guy in a world filled with violence. But I think it is something that could be used to whip the public into a war frenzy if the government wanted. But certainly, wars have been started over less. And 10 or 20 years down the road, after the public begins to get bored with peace and the next generation doesn't remember the last pointless war, it would almost be a certain issue that would get us back in up to our necks. I would think at this time, the public would at least be cautious about getting back in. Not to say the public couldn't be manipulated, but it won't be as easy for Obama as it was for George Bush.
As you've mentioned, a lot will ride on Obama. He used some very harsh words to condemn ISIS. Is that an indication that these words are going to be backed up with actions, or will it be another "don't cross the threshold line" as he warned Syria last year and then no follow-up? But then, there were a lot of negative feedback from the population, which isn't there in this time around. I don't see foot soldiers as in 2003 except perhaps a small number of "advisers", but if Obama means what he said this time, I can see an escalation in bombings and drone attacks. And this will necessarily drag the US into Syria.
Quote from: Munch on August 25, 2014, 11:43:46 AM
Not only is the uk a mix racial country, but it has in it people from other countries who came over to here, live off of the uks benefits, and yet preach hatred for westerners and support of sharia law in the uk, all while under the uks protection.
I'm certain if Allah existed he'd see them as pathetic cowards.
The Australian defence forces have a total of 98 muslims.
Estimates of Australian muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq are over 150, several Aussie muslims have been killed while doing "humanitarian work" in Syria and Iraq.
2 Aussie muslims who were given a disability pension because they were unable to work have posted pictures online holding severed heads, when it comes to Jihad they have a strong work ethic.
Our government is cutting these Jihadis off welfare if they leave the country.
I just want to make it clear I have nothing at all against people from any other country coming here to the uk, to go to university, to get a stable job and help the economy here, and to just help and become a valid member of the uk as they would choose, I'm good with all of that and welcome people of have the integrity and open mindedness to do so.
Its just when you have militant muslims coming here to the uk preaching their religious hate, all while under the protection of the UKs standards that I want to kick these assholes back to their own violent country, a country they turned to shit because all those like them couldn't evolve fast enough. I know america and even the uk military has done shit over there to, but coming to a country you apparently hate and preaching your hate speeches against that same country should have you kicked off the cliffs of dover
I'm a bit amused by the pretence ISIS is the worse group EVER, EVER, EVER! Toss in a few more evers and it'll be almost biblical kind of like burning in hell forever and ever and ever and ever....
CNN BREAKING NEWS! ISIS wants to kill the pope! Toss another EVER log on the fire..
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Quote from: baronvonrort on August 25, 2014, 09:34:25 PM
The Australian defence forces have a total of 98 muslims.
Estimates of Australian muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq are over 150, several Aussie muslims have been killed while doing "humanitarian work" in Syria and Iraq.
Amazing what posting random numbers without context can do to try to make your argument fit your agenda. Let's see how it looks when your put it into context...
So let me get this straight... 98 people out of 58,000 is suppose to make us say, "Curses! Those Muslims won't fight for us!".
Yet 150+ out of 382,000 is suppose to make us say, "LOOK! LOOK AT ALL THE MUSLIM JIHADISTS! DAMN EXTREMISTS!!!"
Let me put some math out for you...
98 out of 58,000 is 0.17%.
150 out of 382,000 is 0.04%.
Now, consider this; the U.S. military is composed of only 30% minorities (the majority of African American decent) and only 11% come from the lower class. Assuming Australia is similar, and there is no reason to believe it isn't, why would anyone be surprised that Muslims are a minority? Even in the U.S. military, all "alternative" religions to Christianity make up a grand total of 6.2% of the military population... that includes Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Bah'i.
Regardless of race or religion, the military are not a minority dominated field. Muslims hardly have a monopoly on not joining.
Quote2 Aussie muslims who were given a disability pension because they were unable to work have posted pictures online holding severed heads, when it comes to Jihad they have a strong work ethic.
Our government is cutting these Jihadis off welfare if they leave the country.
If you consider 0.04% of Australian Muslims going to be "Jihadists" indicative that the majority of Australian Muslims are therefor "hard-working Jihadists", it is quite clear to see (besides your plethora of other bullshit) that you might have just a wee bit of a bias.
-I would wager more that 0.04% of white people steal, which therefor proves that white people have a strong theft work ethic.'
-I would wager that more than 0.04% of Jewish people drink, which therefor proves that Jews are heavy alcoholics.
-Etc. Etc.
See how ridiculous that argument makes you sound?
As for your final line; good for them. Apparently not all Aussies are complete idiots.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on August 29, 2014, 02:25:12 PMI'm a bit amused by the pretence ISIS is the worse group EVER, EVER, EVER!
Well, they're definitely up there.
Quote from: wikiISIS had close links to al-Qaeda until February 2014, when after an eight-month power struggle, al-Qaeda cut all ties with the group, reportedly for its brutality and "notorious intractability."
SourceThey're both pretty bad, and to be sure, al-Qaeda would likely do virtually everything ISIS is currently doing if it had the chance. But unlike Al-Qaeda, ISIS operates more as a paramilitary force with a penchant for genocide than a terrorist organization.
I'm getting to the point I believe almost nothing I see on TV.. Now CNN is reporting "The ISIS laptop of DOOM was found.."
Really? The laptop of doom? I'm pretty sure they're already kidnapping white Christian babies from Texas to put on the rockets to fire at persecuted Christians in Syria.. ..
And now for some more fun news:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ISIS+laptop+of+DOOM&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb
QuoteThe laptop's contents turn out to be a treasure trove of documents that provide ideological justifications for jihadi organizations -- and practical training on how to carry out the Islamic State's deadly campaigns. They include videos of Osama bin Laden, manuals on how to make bombs, instructions for stealing cars, and lessons on how to use disguises in order to avoid getting arrested while traveling from one jihadi hot spot to another.
But after hours upon hours of scrolling through the documents, it became clear that the ISIS laptop contains more than the typical propaganda and instruction manuals used by jihadists. The documents also suggest that the laptop's owner was teaching himself about the use of biological weaponry, in preparation for a potential attack that would have shocked the world.
The information on the laptop makes clear that its owner is a Tunisian national named Muhammed S. who joined ISIS in Syria and who studied chemistry and physics at two universities in Tunisia's northeast. Even more disturbing is how he planned to use that education:
The ISIS laptop contains a 19-page document in Arabic on how to develop biological weapons and how to weaponize the bubonic plague from infected animals.
"The advantage of biological weapons is that they do not cost a lot of money, while the human casualties can be huge," the document states.
The document includes instructions for how to test the weaponized disease safely, before it is used in a terrorist attack. "When the microbe is injected in small mice, the symptoms of the disease should start to appear within 24 hours," the document says.
The laptop also includes a 26-page fatwa, or Islamic ruling, on the usage of weapons of mass destruction. "If Muslims cannot defeat the kafir [unbelievers] in a different way, it is permissible to use weapons of mass destruction," states the fatwa by Saudi jihadi cleric Nasir al-Fahd, who is currently imprisoned in Saudi Arabia. "Even if it kills all of them and wipes them and their descendants off the face of the Earth."
When contacted by phone, a staff member at a Tunisian university listed on Muhammed's exam papers confirmed that he indeed studied chemistry and physics there. She said the university lost track of him after 2011, however.
Quote...states the fatwa by Saudi jihadi cleric Nasir al-Fahd, who is currently imprisoned in Saudi Arabia.
You know someone is an extremist when even Saudi Arabia is like, "Woah... dude... you went too far with that.".
Yeah, but.... They're still more popular than us evil fucking atheists.. Fuck! We need a bigger clique..
Gubnit just raised threat level to: Expect to piss in pants which according to analyst is one level below actually pissing in pants which is in turn below prepare to shit pants which is below threat level RUN TO NEAREST TOILET!
Quote from: baronvonrort on August 23, 2014, 02:13:23 AM
Where do you get the 6000+ years from,Islam has only been around for 1400 years.
Is this how the muslims achieved peace-
"According to Islam the Muslim faith was on the face of the earth since the first man put his foot on earth. I mean from the time Adam came to the earth was the time when Islam started."
"Muhammed was not the one who started islam. Adam Jesus Moses Abraham Muhammed and other prophets did what God wanted. and the one who does what God wants is called a Muslim." I would say it it is the same with Christianity starting with Adam and Eve since they both believe in the same God..
Another one beheaded.
http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/09/isil-releases-video-of-steven-sotloff-beheading/379479/
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/02/world/meast/isis-american-journalist-sotloff/index.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/live-steven-sotloff-beheading-video-4153715
http://www.smh.com.au/world/islamic-state-sorry-for-releasing-steven-sotloff-beheading-video-early-20140903-10bobd.html
http://www.reuters.com/video/2014/09/02/journalist-steven-sotloff-beheaded-by-is?videoId=341736423&videoChannel=1
You would be hard pressed to find anyone who approves in such "snuff videos", (videos depicting actual murders). Unless of course they believe in a higher being which approves of them. That is IMO where the very very worst atrocities are perpetrated, simply because their deluded belief in a higher supernatural being that gives them his stamp of approval.