Growing up in a more moderate-liberal background, I am unfamiliar with doctrine or dogma on this subject. Would anyone be willing to share what they were told as kids/young adults?
Everything I've ever heard about demons is so conflicting that I've just given up and decided to stick to this kind.
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My father frightened me with the boogeyman for a short time, but I think my mother told him to stop that shit, and he did. Other than that, my parents told me ghosts and monsters didn't exist, but I was afraid of them anyway. I wasn't taught anything about demons during my Lutheran upbringing, but I think they play a part in the Catholic religion and in some protestant fringe sects.
When I was a kid I thought demons and devils were real entities out there. But I mostly blame my schooling combined with my being an impressionable kid with a rather active imagination more than 'indoctrination' on this. My parents didn't actually believe in god, let alone demons. And always told me they, like monsters, didn't exist. I actually remember finding it confusing that they said these things couldn't exist when the devil clearly was an entity in the stories of the bible. (I didn't know they weren't religious and just had me baptized, taken communion and given me the optional course of 'religion' over 'ethics' in school to please my grandparents.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon
Lesser Key of Solomon. Describes demons of various types, if you are looking at classical references.
Demon in my religion, (Mormon) were fallen angels that backed Satan supposedly in a war in heaven, and were cast down to earth. Also sometimes referred to as Sons of Perdition, a term used interchangeably between fallen angels and people who denied Mormonism (me :biggrin:)
I once had as dream where I saw an image of the fallen, dressed in Mormon Temple garments, substituting the color red for green, the standard color of the apron and the sash. Woke up in a cold sweat. Went to church next Sunday.
thanks for the link
I never heard of demons as a kid, but the boogey man as well as the tooth fairy scared the crap out of me along with Santa if I was naughty. :doh: Solitary
Quote from: Solitary on July 26, 2014, 04:56:44 PM
I never heard of demons as a kid, but the boogey man as well as the tooth fairy scared the crap out of me along with Santa if I was naughty. :doh: Solitary
The tooth fairy of course causes all kinds of dental pain and it doesn't really matter if you brush and floss. It's all dependent on whether you feared her or not as a kid. I made the mistake of not fearing her so had terrible dental pain till finally getting all my teeth pulled. I bet my dentures will hurt too because of it.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on July 26, 2014, 01:15:05 PM
Everything I've ever heard about demons is so conflicting that I've just given up and decided to stick to this kind.
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I don't find that difficult to fap to
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on July 26, 2014, 01:06:32 PM
Growing up in a more moderate-liberal background, I am unfamiliar with doctrine or dogma on this subject. Would anyone be willing to share what they were told as kids/young adults?
So, you learned your cherry picking from your parents.
Never ceases to amaze me how 'moderate Christians' want to ignore the parts of the Bible that make them uncomfortable.
Excuse me?
I have already talked ad nauseum about how I read scripture, just because I don't live according to the Old Testament because I am not jewish. I live according to Jesus' philosophy
And for your information, my parents are very conservative but allow me to believe things (or not believe things on my own) I actually left my parents church the second I could drive myself places. I say I had a moderate background because that is what I chose to surround myself with
Quote from: GrinningYMIR on July 26, 2014, 07:55:08 PM
I don't find that difficult to fap to
I find it difficult to NOT fap to.
I was declared a demon in 1971. I tend to agree with that.
I was simply told that demons were agents of Satan, and that their main job was whispering temptations into you head so you'd do bad things because unlike God, Satan couldn't be end-user and he only visited for major temptations. That's what I was told as a child anyways.
If your going to have demons, they should at least be smoking hot, just to piss christians off all the more.
(http://i.imgur.com/XgQjAUG.jpg)
(Dantes inferno, awesome game, Lucifers slong had its own animation)
(http://i.imgur.com/4xK8i2z.jpg)
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 26, 2014, 10:32:10 PM
My demon costume. Won $100.
woo, is that all costume or are you really that buff?
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on July 26, 2014, 01:06:32 PM
Growing up in a more moderate-liberal background, I am unfamiliar with doctrine or dogma on this subject. Would anyone be willing to share what they were told as kids/young adults?
Don't really know where they came from, simply that they possessed people who let them into their hearts.
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on July 26, 2014, 01:06:32 PM
Growing up in a more moderate-liberal background, I am unfamiliar with doctrine or dogma on this subject. Would anyone be willing to share what they were told as kids/young adults?
Demons are just an easy answer for christians to create something to explain any 'negative vices' people have as a further means to controlling them, simply paint things like desire or lust or essentially any average human emotion we as a bipedal animal might have, that might lead us away from church, and paint it as something evil, and demons are just something to reaffirm them as the works of the devil.
"This man had sex with his daughter"
"Welp, musta been demons in his head"
"but he was a christian"
"Welp, he probably didn pray hard nough"
"Mommy, my peener got hard today"
"Devil Child!! You must hit it with the bible to ward off demons from you!"
"But it hurts mommy.."
"That is gods way of saying you did wrong child"
yes anime demons are sexy and the type of demon I prefer myself.
Even if demons existed it wouldn't automatically prove that a god or gods exist.
Quote from: doorknob on July 27, 2014, 09:08:28 AM
yes anime demons are sexy and the type of demon I prefer myself.
Even if demons existed it wouldn't automatically prove that a god or gods exist.
yeah. infact in japanese demons are called Oni, and are completely different to what you'd take from western societies look at demons and where they come from:
QuoteOni (鬼?) are a kind of yÅkai from Japanese folklore, variously translated as demons, devils, ogres or trolls. They are popular characters in Japanese art, literature and theatre.[1]
Depictions of oni vary widely but usually portray them as hideous, gigantic ogre-like creatures with sharp claws, wild hair, and two long horns growing from their heads.[2] They are humanoid for the most part, but occasionally, they are shown with unnatural features such as odd numbers of eyes or extra fingers and toes.[3] Their skin may be any number of colors, but red and blue are particularly common.[4][5]
They are often depicted wearing tiger-skin loincloths and carrying iron clubs called kanabÅ (é‡'æ£'?). This image leads to the expression "oni with an iron club" (鬼ã«é‡'æ£' oni-ni-kanabÅ?), that is, to be invincible or undefeatable. It can also be used in the sense of "strong beyond strong", or having one's natural quality enhanced or supplemented by the use of some tool.[6][7]
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Quote from: Munch on July 27, 2014, 08:38:21 AM
woo, is that all costume or are you really that buff?
The wings are fake. :madu:
Quote from: GSOgymrat on July 27, 2014, 09:42:37 AM
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The wings are fake. :madu:
You are a damn fine example of humanity. :clap:
I agree.
and kudos on 100$ you deserved it.
As a kid I once got sleep paralysis and my sister told me that I was probably being raped by an incubus demon. She made me cry and I actually believed her at the time. My sister is very superstitious , anyway that's one folkloric demon story.
Here's a pastor casting out demons (paid actor?) : http://youtu.be/8RuCLB6vM3M (http://youtu.be/8RuCLB6vM3M)
http://youtu.be/OmP_AKDHPKE (http://youtu.be/OmP_AKDHPKE)
http://youtu.be/QiJtio9n4Lc (http://youtu.be/QiJtio9n4Lc)
Quote from: stromboli on July 26, 2014, 02:03:58 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon
Lesser Key of Solomon. Describes demons of various types, if you are looking at classical references.
Demon in my religion, (Mormon) were fallen angels that backed Satan supposedly in a war in heaven, and were cast down to earth. Also sometimes referred to as Sons of Perdition, a term used interchangeably between fallen angels and people who denied Mormonism (me :biggrin:)
I once had as dream where I saw an image of the fallen, dressed in Mormon Temple garments, substituting the color red for green, the standard color of the apron and the sash. Woke up in a cold sweat. Went to church next Sunday.
"Sons of Perdition" Sounds like a rock band.
As a former Pentecostal, I was raised to beleive that demons are real: fallen angels who hate God and despise humanity, who would like nothing better than to posess our bodies and use them to work evil. Any involvement with the occult or mystiicism, such as using OUIJA boards or practicing Zen meditation would make us vulnerable to demonic oppression and eventual possession.
Quote from: LazyLotusEater on August 08, 2014, 10:11:35 AM
As a kid I once got sleep paralysis and my sister told me that I was probably being raped by an incubus demon. She made me cry and I actually believed her at the time. My sister is very superstitious , anyway that's one folkloric demon story.
Here's a pastor casting out demons (paid actor?) : http://youtu.be/8RuCLB6vM3M (http://youtu.be/8RuCLB6vM3M)
http://youtu.be/OmP_AKDHPKE (http://youtu.be/OmP_AKDHPKE)
http://youtu.be/QiJtio9n4Lc (http://youtu.be/QiJtio9n4Lc)
I seem to remember a thing on the Discovery Channel several years back where a psychologist was explaining something to the effect of, "The combination of fervent belief and the pastor's own actions produces a psychological reaction, wherein the results the Believer expects will be acted out with subconscious prodding."
I am 90% certain I got that wrong somewhere, this was like 7 or 8 years ago, but that's the basic gist of it I can remember.
Demons are just an interchangeable construct of human imagination and fear, they exist as much as water nymphs, elves, fairies, goblins, orcs, minotaurs, 98% the cast of world of warcraft, angels, dragons and free willed republicans do.
But on that notion, I'm a comic book and fantasy gaming nerd, so looove the idea of playing a sexy demon guy the same as i would an orc or furry.
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on July 26, 2014, 01:06:32 PM
Growing up in a more moderate-liberal background, I am unfamiliar with doctrine or dogma on this subject. Would anyone be willing to share what they were told as kids/young adults?
I was always told I was an adopted alien demon. True story.
-Nam
Quote from: LazyLotusEater on August 08, 2014, 10:11:35 AM
As a kid I once got sleep paralysis and my sister told me that I was probably being raped by an incubus demon. She made me cry and I actually believed her at the time. My sister is very superstitious , anyway that's one folkloric demon story.
Here's a pastor casting out demons (paid actor?) : http://youtu.be/8RuCLB6vM3M (http://youtu.be/8RuCLB6vM3M)
http://youtu.be/OmP_AKDHPKE (http://youtu.be/OmP_AKDHPKE)
http://youtu.be/QiJtio9n4Lc (http://youtu.be/QiJtio9n4Lc)
Dunno about you, but if I had this floating over me at night:
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Well, I'd not say no thats for sure.
Quote from: Contemporary Protestant on July 26, 2014, 08:56:55 PM
Excuse me?
I have already talked ad nauseum about how I read scripture, just because I don't live according to the Old Testament because I am not jewish. I live according to Jesus' philosophy ...
It seems to me that anyone who tried to live according to Jesus's philosophy WOULD be Jewish, like he was. He never tried to end Judaism but only to reform it.
As he supposedly said (Matthew 15:24), "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.â€
And, he followed Jewish practice, including celebrating Passover, right up to the end.
So CP I guess the Old Testament is not Gods Word, and the New one is. How convenient! :fU: Solitary
Quote from: Solitary on August 08, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
So CP I guess the Old Testament is not Gods Word, and the New one is. How convenient! :fU: Solitary
oh no see gods words can be edited anytime. When he told Abraham to kill his own son, he was about to do it, when god sent an angel to tell Abraham to not do it. Apparently its okay to fuck with an senile old man like that if god does it.
And yeah, it would have senile for a looong time since he died when he was 175 years old.. who knew you could live that long.
The theists here can seem to set you dumb atheists straight, so I have to. A day back then was judged by the rotation of Kolob where God lives, and a year was by how long it took to go around its sun. :whistle: :biggrin: Solitary
As a Christian, I was taught that demons were the fallen angels who rebelled against God and were cast out of heaven to Earth. Now they roam around, looking for weak, doubting Christians whom they can trick into not believing in God, or going to the wrong church, or masturbating, or any other sin you can think of. They also convince people that evolution is real and there's no such thing as heaven or hell. Exactly HOW they do all this is never explained, nor is it explained why God had to cast the demons to Earth instead of to some other planet or galaxy where they couldn't hurt humans.
As a teenager, I somehow picked up the idea of daemons in the classical sense - supernatural beings that could aid or harm and were a mix of good and bad, not unlike people. The Christian depiction didn't really make a whole lot of sense to me. It was very interesting to how the idea morphed over time - which further cemented the idea that religion is a syncretic and ever-evolving construct not unlike a fictional universe.